Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129459)

you act like a c&p from an expert is not a valid way of highlighting the issue and somehow discredits the fact of the matter yet you c&p/youtube shit all the time to qualify your position.

can't have it both ways, turnabout is fair play, amigo.

nice deflection too.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17129378)

For the most part, it NEVER involves debating the evidence, and usually just involves name calling or some medical psychological problem (as you listed).

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17129507)

Because what you and orther 911/truthers claim to be "evidence"...is not "evidence" but is most usually opinion or bits and pieces of this or that are combined together to give the appearence of being "evidence" when in fact it is just compiled pigshit.

When real "evidence" is presented to you and others as a counter claim against your claimed "evidence"...the usual response is to make claim that it/they are part of the "cover up/conspiracy"...or to simply ignore and deflect with some other piece of pigshit?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129535)

Never a number on the list to check History...

Humm, a history check proves that the Gov does cover up facts, has attacked it's own people, has planned other attacks, has tested shit on it's own people, has done drug and human trafficking and the list goes on..

To ignore history is crazy, stupid, bizarre and insane all in one.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129535)

Never a number on the list to check History...

Humm, a history check proves that the Gov does cover up facts, has attacked it's own people, has planned other attacks, has tested shit on it's own people, has done drug and human trafficking and the list goes on..

To ignore history is crazy, stupid, bizarre and insane all in one.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129585)

justifying a truther position via post hoc ergo propter hoc logic is a huge leap that really has no place here.

simply because the government has pulled some bullshit and continues to do so does not mean they orchestrated 9/11 and/or faked the moon landing.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129585)

justifying a truther position via post hoc ergo propter hoc logic is a huge leap that really has no place here.

simply because the government has pulled some bullshit and continues to do so does not mean they orchestrated 9/11 and/or faked the moon landing.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17129652)

hahah

"Ok so we ran tests on blacks in alabama (tuskagee experiment), we drew up plans to hijack airplanes and crash them to start a war (northwoods document), The Gulf of tonkin that got us into vietnam never happened (macnamera 2004), We all know about the Iran Contra affair.. but this time guys its the arabs, you believe us right? Good, cause if you question you're with the terrorists. Ok thanks for being a good patriot and dont forget to drink more flouride!"

I like you and stuff just cause you are my antethisis but I have to throw you in with TheDemon and theking with your logic. lol

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129658)

Our Gov has lied so much about so many things, even totally not important shit that never could have made a difference... that I expect 9/11 to be filled with lies.

As for the moon landing, I straight up don't care. It could have been fake or real, either way it was a pointless time in History in my book.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129683)

you are seriously putting me in that group? that's not very nice. my tone towards you has NEVER been along the lines of how those guys act about such topics. moreover, i would expect you to recall that i've stated here that the mossad could of in fact been behind 9/11. furthermore, you should also know that my position has always been in regards to the physics of the events of that day, not the politics.




i've never held the position that there are no lies surrounding the 9/11 tragedy. my position has always been in regards to the bldgs collapsing and how.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129683)

you are seriously putting me in that group? that's not very nice. my tone towards you has NEVER been along the lines of how those guys act about such topics. moreover, i would expect you to recall that i've stated here that the mossad could of in fact been behind 9/11. furthermore, you should also know that my position has always been in regards to the physics of the events of that day, not the politics.




i've never held the position that there are no lies surrounding the 9/11 tragedy. my position has always been in regards to the bldgs collapsing and how.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129707)

conspiracy theorists typically have a superiority complex.

Originally Posted by PornoStar69 (Post 17129711)

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129714)

True true... and those that don't question the Gov are Sheep.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129703)

Coo...

I have never seen any proof that shows why they fell... I have heard theories with no proof to backup the claims.

The only proof we have is exactly what each of us saw on TV... the entire why and how is a theory.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129718)

have proof?

I just want to see the dirty pictures..

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129723)

there is a huge difference in questioning the government and always wanting to believe in sinister motives for everything, no matter how far-fetched.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17128995)

a typical conspiracy theorist won't understand a single word of that.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17129695)

I'm sorry I take that back

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129703)

Coo...

I have never seen any proof that shows why they fell... I have heard theories with no proof to backup the claims.

The only proof we have is exactly what each of us saw on TV... the entire why and how is a theory.

Originally Posted by PornoStar69 (Post 17129711)

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129742)

exactly. it boils down to which theory one chooses to accept.

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17129427)

Good read.

Since you believe one bullet can inflict multiple wounds and remain intact and three buildings can fall the same way under three different conditions for the first time in industrial history on the same day, perhaps you can use those criteria on your own perceptions... ?

:D

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129742)

i appreciate it. :thumbsup


exactly. it boils down to which theory one chooses to accept.



you are just mad because you are not invited.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129733)

What's too far fetched? Us attacking our own ships to start a war? Chemical testing on our own people? Lying to every American and Congress about weapons and wars? Knowingly forcing our people to receive vaccines they knew were contaminated? Or maybe ignoring Veterans with exposure to Uranium for 15-20 years because our Gov says we don't use them and they're safe - which clearly they aren't?

The list is 1000's of examples long... for you think our gov is actually trying help or care for you or gives a shit about you, is fucking crazy.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129857)

Everyone is out to get you dude. Better lock yourself in your basement and never come out. :1orglaugh Btw, i don't consider all of those things you listed conspiracies. For example, the depleted uranium is pretty much known fact.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129857)

Everyone is out to get you dude. Better lock yourself in your basement and never come out. :1orglaugh Btw, i don't consider all of those things you listed conspiracies. For example, the depleted uranium is pretty much known fact.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129873)

I don't think everyone is out to get me, however I'm not a moron that thinks the Gov actually cares about me either.

"NOW" it is known that it's Uranium, 15 or so years ago it was denied, lied about, etc.. and we lied to other Countries about it and using it, and we just left it too. We denied that our Tanks were dipped in the shit for even longer.... that's still denied today.

The Gov has you classified as a number, a pointless, erasable - replaceable number.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17129755)

I'm not sure that the original post said much, if anything, about my beliefs. While it might be convenient to place me into the pre-defined container of "one who believes official story as-is".. I think the cliche "there's three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth" is apt.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129873)

I don't think everyone is out to get me, however I'm not a moron that thinks the Gov actually cares about me either.

"NOW" it is known that it's Uranium, 15 or so years ago it was denied, lied about, etc.. and we lied to other Countries about it and using it, and we just left it too. We denied that our Tanks were dipped in the shit for even longer.... that's still denied today.

The Gov has you classified as a number, a pointless, erasable - replaceable number.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129961)

I used to be like that. Wasting hours worrying about shit that I have zero control over. It feels much better to just let it go and live your life. The government will always be lying assholes. Nothing is going to change that but I am not going to waste my time worrying about all the bullshit around the world.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129973)

Dang, sounds like your life used to really suck living with dementia, glad you over came it. :thumbsup :thumbsup Give ya two thumbs up for that!

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17129924)

Well... anything that auto-attacks the ideas of those 911-truth people is pretty much pre-ordained pre-formatted brainwashed ideas. No one can actually defend the government story on 9/11, based on facts.

I don't credit the blame or other crazy theories. As far as I'm concerned nobody's really placed blame, but some have put forth better theories than others, and none are as ridiculous as the government's theories...

As far as the moon landing and the other kook fantasies there's no relation and there shouldn't be, but some people mix it all up...

Just to line up the craziness with facts:

It's established that JFK was not killed by a lone nut.

It's established that the WTC was neither a gravitational, organic collapse and wasn't downed by lone nut muslims.

:D

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17130201)

now see, if i were like the demon, i would have a field day ridiculing this guy by berating him with every name in the book. but, i am not and he is entitled to his completely ironic and unrealistic views.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17130232)

I concur with your statement about the Demon...as well as "his completely ironic and unrealistic views."

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17128842)

JFK, 9/11, Moon landing - whatever your pleasure, please read below. They are not my words (reference included) and they are not about conspiracy theory type beliefs, but if you can put your ego aside for the 2 minutes it takes to read below and try to understand how your brain works.. you might just learn something.

Here are 10 reasons why, if you hold conspiracy-style beliefs close to your heart, you are probably insane.. or at least ignorant of your own cognitive shortcomings:

1. Availability bias, which causes us to base decisions on information that is more readily available in our memories, rather than the data we really need;

2. Hindsight bias, which causes us to attach higher probabilities to events after they have happened (ex post) than we did before they happened (ex ante);

3. The problem of induction, which leads us to formulate general rules on the basis of insufficient information;

4. The fallacy of conjunction (or disjunction), which means we tend to overestimate the probability that seven events of 90% probability will all occur, while underestimating the probability that at least one of seven events of 10% probability will occur;

5. Confirmation bias, which inclines us to look for confirming evidence of an initial hypothesis, rather than falsifying evidence that would disprove it;

6. Contamination effects, whereby we allow irrelevant but proximate information to influence a decision;

7. The affect heuristic, whereby preconceived value-judgments interfere with our assessments of costs and benefits;

8. Scope neglect, which prevents us from proportionately adjusting what we should be willing to sacrifice to avoid harms of different orders of magnitude;

9. Overconfidence in calibration, which leads us to underestimate the confidence intervals within which our estimates will be robust (e.g. to conflate the 'best case' scenario with the 'most probable'); and

10. Bystander apathy, which inclines us to abdicate individual responsibility when in a crowd.

-Niall Ferguson, The Ascent of Money [based on Eliezer Yudkowsky, 'Cognitive Biases Potentially Affecting Judgment of Global Risks', in Nick Bostrom and Milan Cirkovic (eds), Global Catastrophic Risks (Oxford University Press, 2008)]

if you:

a) cant understand the above
or
b) refute the above

Please understand you are a lost cause.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17130338)

Do you think anyone dumb enough to believe conspiracy theories could even process that ?

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 17130376)

Over the course of history, the serious conspiracy theorists usually end up being right.

People just don't like to accept the fact that what we know about something today may be proven wrong in 10, 20, 30, 100 years.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129390)

how much nano-thermite would it take to bring down the towers and bldg 7?

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17130393)

Care to point out a few conspiracy theories that have been proven to be correct?

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17130225)

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blog...cies-from.html

a list of proven conspiracies

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17130433)

Just to get you started.. My favorite in the list is the Conspiracy of the Federal Reserve Act. Imagine that. A 100 year old conspiracy and eople like yourself are STILL in denial.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17130433)

Just to get you started.. My favorite in the list is the Conspiracy behind the Federal Reserve Act. Imagine that. A 100 year old conspiracy and people like yourself are STILL in denial.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17130457)

Were we ever debating the existence of conspiracies? Does anyone read?

The quotes around 'conspiracy theorists' was done intentionally to refer to those people, whom in the face of facts and evidence to the contrary, stick to irrational beliefs about particular subjects. The original post cited some examples where there does exist groups of people who hold irrational beliefs - that is not to say that ALL beliefs are irrational, only that there exists fringe groups whom are obviously nuts. You guys can debate the specifics til you're blue in the face, that's not the point.

The point is this: to really be a critical thinker you have to be your own best auditor. If you can't audit the things you believe, if the things you believe fail even the most basic tests of logic.. then you should be interested in how it is you could believe such things.. and why. If the goal is to 'question everything', then question how it is one could arrive at these beliefs.

For example: What void does it fill to believe things that are obviously not true? There is no question, for example, the men walked on the moon (please.. no one even start the 'debate' or post 'evidence'.. I've been on teh interwebs before.. I've read it all). So why would someone want to so fervently believe that it was not true? What kind of trauma would you have to suffer, or what kind of mental state would a person have to be in to hold these beliefs? What social role does it play for people to even engage in "debate" over things that are not debatable.. where the side they choose doesn't even exist. Is it narcissism? anti-social personality disorder? just plain insanity? Is it an attempt to leverage asymmetrical information to assert social dominance? I don't know.. but i'm fascinated by it.