Yes time is alot better spent studying the psychology of a "conspiracy theorist", than time studying the actual arguements that the "conspiracy theorists" bring up.

I know you're trying to be sarcastic.. but you're right - there is a lot more social value in understanding how average people think and behave than in analyzing the excruciating minutiae of what is actually said and thought. How many times can one have the same insane conversation over and over and over?

worse is the conspiracy theorist's assumption that the opposing group does NOT question authority/government.

I agree that it's hard to find the cause of the problem. Sometimes you may think the cause of the problem is one thing, but it is actually the other thing. There can be many different factors or causes to a problem.

I think the psychology of people who constantly attack "conspiracy theorists" to be much more interesting.

For the most part, it NEVER involves debating the evidence, and usually just involves name calling or some medical psychological problem (as you listed). This is just as bad as calling someone a kook or nutjob (fox news tactics).

I've been called every name in the book on here.

It comes down to fear. I have friends and relatives that don't want to research things (especially 9/11) cause they wouldn't be able to handle it if the actual "conspiracy theory" was true. So its easier and safer to discredit the character of people. I don't see that working anymore though, maybe back in the old days.

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

Mark Twain

this isn't entirely accurate, especially from my perspective. i've asked more than one 9/11 truther around here to discuss how much nano-thermite it would take to bring down the towers and the reply is ALWAYS a deflection. every single time.


hell, i'll try it again, simply because i would LOVE to debate this.

how much nano-thermite would it take to bring down the towers and bldg 7?

Good read.

Since you believe one bullet can inflict multiple wounds and remain intact and three buildings can fall the same way under three different conditions for the first time in industrial history on the same day, perhaps you can use those criteria on your own perceptions... ?

:D

It does not matter how much it takes, I don't know (i've seen your copy and pasted math equasion). The truth is that it was found. The common reaction to the fact that it was found is that these scientists, (like Stephen Jones) are kooks and probably share one of the mental disorders listed above. This is about as far as this converation goes.

The simple question to ask from any attack of any kind, is who benifits.. and thats usually the ones who did it.

you act like a c&p from an expert is not a valid way of highlighting the issue and somehow discredits the fact of the matter yet you c&p/youtube shit all the time to qualify your position.

can't have it both ways, turnabout is fair play, amigo.

nice deflection too.

I never deflected anything, I do not know how much it takes. I'm sure the engineer knows what he's talking about. The thing you deflect from is that it's been found. I'm sure however much it takes thats what they used.

Because what you and orther 911/truthers claim to be "evidence"...is not "evidence" but is most usually opinion or bits and pieces of this or that are combined together to give the appearence of being "evidence" when in fact it is just compiled pigshit.

When real "evidence" is presented to you and others as a counter claim against your claimed "evidence"...the usual response is to make claim that it/they are part of the "cover up/conspiracy"...or to simply ignore and deflect with some other piece of pigshit?

uhm... I'm not sure what particular pieces of evidence you're referring to, but the "actual" pieces of evidence provided in the government's report are pretty flimsy, dude. Better check your sources..

:D

There are not two people in this entire World conspiring to control you.. God will come down from the heavens and take you away for believing in him in a few the years and those of us who didn't believe in the biggest conspiracy of them all will stay down here and put the pieces back together from the fucked up society those conspiracies created. If you're still here afterwards which you will be because it's nothing more than another calendar just shoot yourself in the fucking head please as I'm sure many will.

Never a number on the list to check History...

Humm, a history check proves that the Gov does cover up facts, has attacked it's own people, has planned other attacks, has tested shit on it's own people, has done drug and human trafficking and the list goes on..

To ignore history is crazy, stupid, bizarre and insane all in one.

justifying a truther position via post hoc ergo propter hoc logic is a huge leap that really has no place here.

simply because the government has pulled some bullshit and continues to do so does not mean they orchestrated 9/11 and/or faked the moon landing.

You hit the nail on the head.

hahah

"Ok so we ran tests on blacks in alabama (tuskagee experiment), we drew up plans to hijack airplanes and crash them to start a war (northwoods document), The Gulf of tonkin that got us into vietnam never happened (macnamera 2004), We all know about the Iran Contra affair.. but this time guys its the arabs, you believe us right? Good, cause if you question you're with the terrorists. Ok thanks for being a good patriot and dont forget to drink more flouride!"

I like you and stuff just cause you are my antethisis but I have to throw you in with TheDemon and theking with your logic. lol

Our Gov has lied so much about so many things, even totally not important shit that never could have made a difference... that I expect 9/11 to be filled with lies. Hell, to 'think' the gov is honest at all, is pure crazy talk.

As for the moon landing, I straight up don't care. It could have been fake or real, either way it was a pointless time in History in my book.

you are seriously putting me in that group? that's not very nice. my tone towards you has NEVER been along the lines of how those guys act about such topics. moreover, i would expect you to recall that i've stated here that the mossad could of in fact been behind 9/11. furthermore, you should also know that my position has always been in regards to the physics of the events of that day, not the politics.


i've never held the position that there are no lies surrounding the 9/11 tragedy. my position has always been in regards to the bldgs collapsing and how.

I'm sorry I take that back

Coo...

I have never seen any proof that shows why they fell... I have heard theories with no proof to backup the claims.

The only proof we have is exactly what each of us saw on TV... the entire why and how is a theory.

conspiracy theorists typically have a superiority complex.

True true... and those that don't question the Gov are Sheep.

have proof?

I just want to see the dirty pictures..

there is a huge difference in questioning the government and always wanting to believe in sinister motives for everything, no matter how far-fetched.

I've always loved the nova animation trying to explain the collapse.. it showed pancaked floors and beams sticking up into the air. Neither of which happened.

Well Rockefeller is staying in Dublin give me their real names and i'll phone up the hotel hes staying at find out if them 2 are bummers. LOL

What's too far fetched? Us attacking our own ships to start a war? Chemical testing on our own people? Lying to every American and Congress about weapons and wars? Knowingly forcing our people to receive vaccines they knew were contaminated? Or maybe ignoring Veterans with exposure to Uranium for 15-20 years because our Gov says we don't use them and they're safe - which clearly they aren't?

The list is 1000's of examples long... for you think our gov is actually trying help or care for you or gives a shit about you, is fucking crazy.

More like, a typical conspiracy theorist would REFUSE to understand a single word of that, or claim that this is "just what they want you to believe".

You can't win against those guys... right mediaguy?

i appreciate it. :thumbsup
exactly. it boils down to which theory one chooses to accept.

you are just mad because you are not invited.

I must say, I can't side with the 9/11 truth people... sorry, Bush was just to big of an idiot to pull any part of this off, assist with or even be able to understand the plan.

So I gota go with what I saw on tv :)

I'm not sure that the original post said much, if anything, about my beliefs. While it might be convenient to place me into the pre-defined container of "one who believes official story as-is".. I think the cliche "there's three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth" is apt.

Both sides are full of shit. If you believe your government, you're a sheeple. If you believe the truthers, you're retarded.

You know how they say there are three sides to every story? That applies here.

Just show me all vids of pentagon attack, and i will say i am mad if plane hits it.

Everyone is out to get you dude. Better lock yourself in your basement and never come out. :1orglaugh Btw, i don't consider all of those things you listed conspiracies. For example, the depleted uranium is pretty much known fact. The thing I find most funny about conspiracy theorists is that they think that the will actually make some kind of difference. Yep, posting on boards in the basement will change the world.

A known fact? really?

You starting to sound like the rest of us kooks.

I don't think everyone is out to get me, however I'm not a moron that thinks the Gov actually cares about me either.

"NOW" it is known that it's Uranium, 15 or so years ago it was denied, lied about, etc.. and we lied to other Countries about it and using it, and we just left it too. We denied that our Tanks were dipped in the shit for even longer.... that's still denied today.

The Gov has you classified as a number, a pointless, erasable - replaceable number.