Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129873)

I don't think everyone is out to get me, however I'm not a moron that thinks the Gov actually cares about me either.

"NOW" it is known that it's Uranium, 15 or so years ago it was denied, lied about, etc.. and we lied to other Countries about it and using it, and we just left it too. We denied that our Tanks were dipped in the shit for even longer.... that's still denied today.

The Gov has you classified as a number, a pointless, erasable - replaceable number.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17129755)

I'm not sure that the original post said much, if anything, about my beliefs. While it might be convenient to place me into the pre-defined container of "one who believes official story as-is".. I think the cliche "there's three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth" is apt.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129873)

I don't think everyone is out to get me, however I'm not a moron that thinks the Gov actually cares about me either.

"NOW" it is known that it's Uranium, 15 or so years ago it was denied, lied about, etc.. and we lied to other Countries about it and using it, and we just left it too. We denied that our Tanks were dipped in the shit for even longer.... that's still denied today.

The Gov has you classified as a number, a pointless, erasable - replaceable number.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17129961)

I used to be like that. Wasting hours worrying about shit that I have zero control over. It feels much better to just let it go and live your life. The government will always be lying assholes. Nothing is going to change that but I am not going to waste my time worrying about all the bullshit around the world.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129973)

Dang, sounds like your life used to really suck living with dementia, glad you over came it. :thumbsup :thumbsup Give ya two thumbs up for that!

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17129924)

Well... anything that auto-attacks the ideas of those 911-truth people is pretty much pre-ordained pre-formatted brainwashed ideas. No one can actually defend the government story on 9/11, based on facts.

I don't credit the blame or other crazy theories. As far as I'm concerned nobody's really placed blame, but some have put forth better theories than others, and none are as ridiculous as the government's theories...

As far as the moon landing and the other kook fantasies there's no relation and there shouldn't be, but some people mix it all up...

Just to line up the craziness with facts:

It's established that JFK was not killed by a lone nut.

It's established that the WTC was neither a gravitational, organic collapse and wasn't downed by lone nut muslims.

:D

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17130201)

now see, if i were like the demon, i would have a field day ridiculing this guy by berating him with every name in the book. but, i am not and he is entitled to his completely ironic and unrealistic views.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17130232)

I concur with your statement about the Demon...as well as "his completely ironic and unrealistic views."

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17128842)

JFK, 9/11, Moon landing - whatever your pleasure, please read below. They are not my words (reference included) and they are not about conspiracy theory type beliefs, but if you can put your ego aside for the 2 minutes it takes to read below and try to understand how your brain works.. you might just learn something.

Here are 10 reasons why, if you hold conspiracy-style beliefs close to your heart, you are probably insane.. or at least ignorant of your own cognitive shortcomings:

1. Availability bias, which causes us to base decisions on information that is more readily available in our memories, rather than the data we really need;

2. Hindsight bias, which causes us to attach higher probabilities to events after they have happened (ex post) than we did before they happened (ex ante);

3. The problem of induction, which leads us to formulate general rules on the basis of insufficient information;

4. The fallacy of conjunction (or disjunction), which means we tend to overestimate the probability that seven events of 90% probability will all occur, while underestimating the probability that at least one of seven events of 10% probability will occur;

5. Confirmation bias, which inclines us to look for confirming evidence of an initial hypothesis, rather than falsifying evidence that would disprove it;

6. Contamination effects, whereby we allow irrelevant but proximate information to influence a decision;

7. The affect heuristic, whereby preconceived value-judgments interfere with our assessments of costs and benefits;

8. Scope neglect, which prevents us from proportionately adjusting what we should be willing to sacrifice to avoid harms of different orders of magnitude;

9. Overconfidence in calibration, which leads us to underestimate the confidence intervals within which our estimates will be robust (e.g. to conflate the 'best case' scenario with the 'most probable'); and

10. Bystander apathy, which inclines us to abdicate individual responsibility when in a crowd.

-Niall Ferguson, The Ascent of Money [based on Eliezer Yudkowsky, 'Cognitive Biases Potentially Affecting Judgment of Global Risks', in Nick Bostrom and Milan Cirkovic (eds), Global Catastrophic Risks (Oxford University Press, 2008)]

if you:

a) cant understand the above
or
b) refute the above

Please understand you are a lost cause.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17130338)

Do you think anyone dumb enough to believe conspiracy theories could even process that ?

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 17130376)

Over the course of history, the serious conspiracy theorists usually end up being right.

People just don't like to accept the fact that what we know about something today may be proven wrong in 10, 20, 30, 100 years.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17129390)

how much nano-thermite would it take to bring down the towers and bldg 7?

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17130393)

Care to point out a few conspiracy theories that have been proven to be correct?

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17130225)

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blog...cies-from.html

a list of proven conspiracies

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17130433)

Just to get you started.. My favorite in the list is the Conspiracy of the Federal Reserve Act. Imagine that. A 100 year old conspiracy and eople like yourself are STILL in denial.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17130433)

Just to get you started.. My favorite in the list is the Conspiracy behind the Federal Reserve Act. Imagine that. A 100 year old conspiracy and people like yourself are STILL in denial.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17130457)

Were we ever debating the existence of conspiracies? Does anyone read?

The quotes around 'conspiracy theorists' was done intentionally to refer to those people, whom in the face of facts and evidence to the contrary, stick to irrational beliefs about particular subjects. The original post cited some examples where there does exist groups of people who hold irrational beliefs - that is not to say that ALL beliefs are irrational, only that there exists fringe groups whom are obviously nuts. You guys can debate the specifics til you're blue in the face, that's not the point.

The point is this: to really be a critical thinker you have to be your own best auditor. If you can't audit the things you believe, if the things you believe fail even the most basic tests of logic.. then you should be interested in how it is you could believe such things.. and why. If the goal is to 'question everything', then question how it is one could arrive at these beliefs.

For example: What void does it fill to believe things that are obviously not true? There is no question, for example, the men walked on the moon (please.. no one even start the 'debate' or post 'evidence'.. I've been on teh interwebs before.. I've read it all). So why would someone want to so fervently believe that it was not true? What kind of trauma would you have to suffer, or what kind of mental state would a person have to be in to hold these beliefs? What social role does it play for people to even engage in "debate" over things that are not debatable.. where the side they choose doesn't even exist. Is it narcissism? anti-social personality disorder? just plain insanity? Is it an attempt to leverage asymmetrical information to assert social dominance? I don't know.. but i'm fascinated by it.

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17128992)

What's scary are the people that refuse to question their government when the founding fathers warned that we must always do just that.

Failure to find WMD's in Iraq is a great recent example. The fact that an administration would blow the cover on a secret agent over her husbands outing them is another.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17130457)

Were we ever debating the existence of conspiracies? Does anyone read?

The quotes around 'conspiracy theorists' was done intentionally to refer to those people, whom in the face of facts and evidence to the contrary, stick to irrational beliefs about particular subjects. The original post cited some examples where there does exist groups of people who hold irrational beliefs - that is not to say that ALL beliefs are irrational, only that there exists fringe groups whom are obviously nuts. You guys can debate the specifics til you're blue in the face, that's not the point.

The point is this: to really be a critical thinker you have to be your own best auditor. If you can't audit the things you believe, if the things you believe fail even the most basic tests of logic.. then you should be interested in how it is you could believe such things.. and why. If the goal is to 'question everything', then question how it is one could arrive at these beliefs.

For example: What void does it fill to believe things that are obviously not true? There is no question, for example, the men walked on the moon (please.. no one even start the 'debate' or post 'evidence'.. I've been on teh interwebs before.. I've read it all). So why would someone want to so fervently believe that it was not true? What kind of trauma would you have to suffer, or what kind of mental state would a person have to be in to hold these beliefs? What social role does it play for people to even engage in "debate" over things that are not debatable.. where the side they choose doesn't even exist. Is it narcissism? anti-social personality disorder? just plain insanity? Is it an attempt to leverage asymmetrical information to assert social dominance? I don't know.. but i'm fascinated by it.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17130490)

Thanks.

I'll bust out the tin foil.

Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17130411)

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17130525)

wow, nice! thank you for that.

going over this list, the author's contention is that the towers had 1.8 million separate, individual and unique ceiling tile bombs all with their own wireless remote receivers/transmitters custom-made and installed + nano-thermite kicker charges with their own wireless transmitters/receivers hidden in 100 fire extinguishers strategically placed to ignite those ceiling tiles?

am i understanding this correctly?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17129751)

I must say, I can't side with the 9/11 truth people... sorry, Bush was just to big of an idiot to pull any part of this off, assist with or even be able to understand the plan.

So I gota go with what I saw on tv :)

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17130545)

what the truthers believe seems to be very deeply rooted in nazi ideology..

just throwing that out there because it's true.

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17130545)

what the truthers believe seems to be very deeply rooted in nazi ideology..

just throwing that out there because it's true.

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17130549)

all you have to do is replace "the jews" with "new world order". lol

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17130554)

Actually after further research I've turned the "new world order" to "the jews", the new world order is way to mysterious when its obvious who's running the show.

Just throwing it out there cause its true.


"Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press, radio, and most of our motion pictures."

-- Charles Lindbuergh May 1st, 1941, U.S. wire service interview.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17130554)

"Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press, radio, and most of our motion pictures."

-- Charles Lindbuergh May 1st, 1941, U.S. wire service interview.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17130581)

"if I should die tomorrow, I want you to know this, I am absolutely convinced Lindbergh is a Nazi."

FDR May 1940 stated to Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17130588)

Who's a nazi!?! ROFL

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17130588)

LOL!!! Is it the FDR who forced everyone to turn in their gold to the the government or face jail time??? Executive Order 6102? Or is the FDR that locked up all the japs in the concentration camps? Who's a nazi!?! ROFL

Originally Posted by NanoBot (Post 17130612)

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17130618)

i dont know why anyone cares about anything. fuck it let's just burn this fucking gay earth and kill ourselves and get it over with already

Originally Posted by NanoBot (Post 17130612)