i can't burn the earth myself.. you're going to have to help.

BP is one step ahead of us. lol

So I got pounded tonight with a bunch of hicks with the belief that the Federal Reserve is federal.. Even though it's well established it's not.. The entire bar believes their money was in control of the government instead of a private company earning interest off printing money.. Sad day for America and the World.. Slaves you will be.. I guess i'll join the slave owners.. Gnight.. The end...

could detail exactly what you'd want to see the fed replaced with? I'm curious

It's pretty fucking simple.. You do something for me.. I do something for you..

Someone please close this thread

detail exactly. there I said it again.

For starters theres not a group of people earning interst off of printing the money.. Every dollar that is printed is a dollar borrowed and owed to these people..

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is, perhaps, the most, astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banks can in fact inflate, mint, and un-mint the modern ledger-entry currency". MAJOR L. L. B. ANGUS

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government of conviction, and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress, of small groups of dominant men." Just before President Woodrow Wilson died, he is reported to have stated to friends that he had been "deceived" and that "I have betrayed my Country". referring to the Federal Reserve Act, passed during his Presidency. PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON


"Banking was conceived in iniquity, and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen, they will create enough deposits, to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." SIR JOSIAH STAMP, (President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, the second richest man in Britain)


"Those few who can understand the system (check book money and credit) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it favors, that there will be little opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear it burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." ROTHSCHILDS BROS. OF LONDON

last time im saying it. detail exactly.

come on man.. you're a self professed genius.. this should be a cake walk.

You are pretty far out there...sport. I live in the same country as you and I am neither discontented or unhappy about the life I have had. I have fared quiet well financially and even though my health was sacrificed in service of the country...I would not change much in my life if I were to repeat it over. Why are you so discontented and disillusioned?

BTW...how is the law suit working out for you?

If you can't take historical quotes as an explaination I don't know what to do for ya.. They are telling you yourself.. What the fuck else do you want? A time machine so you can watch it yourself?

Because you can't except the fact everything you have ever believed (especially you) were conned into so many wars that it was just a way to earn MONEY for them..

How's it going? They seem to keep delaying it.. Went from trial to discussion this week.. Thats why I'm still here.. I wonder why.. I'll admit I probably wont be for long.. Can't have noone fucking up the program.. See sig..

are you suggesting that we put the control of our money back directly into the hand of congress? you know, as the constitution originally intended? because fucking lol if you are.

Because I honestly was hoping for a better answer from you. but wont be surprised if you don't have one really.

come on man, give us something you didn't copy and paste.

I wasn't conned into anything. I made choices...and I chose to follow a long line of my family being in the military. Unfortunately the family name ends when I die...so the long line ends with my death.

I of course helped to make money for others and glad to do so...as in doing so...I made plenty for myself...so I have no complaints about being a "slave".

I'm suggesting you put your earnings in the hands of yourself.. But even if Congress took it back over at least they would be issuing currency without interest.. Congress needs to be disbanded as it is now.. NOTHING good has ever come out of Washington.. Nothing.. Why are you depositing money in your bank and said bank loans you said money back + 9x that amount to others + interest.. And you wonder why the banks have the biggest buildings in town... But that's just the start of it.. Lets not get into the (even local governments) having two sets of books. One where they need more money.. And another where they have more money than you can imagine.. Try CAFR..



Slave, you made great money for the bankers.. Congrats.. You will get shit on just like everyone else..

those qoutes DO NOT answer my question. all they say to me is central banking is bad. yeah, you've fucking established that. we get it. jesus fuck.

what I asked you was what do you think would be a better system of monetary control rather than the fed?

the original constitutional idea? a decentralized system of some sort? something else entirely? what?


this is a simple question.

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ok not congress.. who should be in control of monetary policy? who should print the money and control it's supply?

I've answered it a million times. We can't continue to allow a small group of people dictate our lives.. Whether that be financially or physically. ALL of those who think they know better than eveyone else on how someone should live needs to GFY.. I'll live my life how I choose.. You live your life how you choose. You get out of me what I provide for you and I expect the same in return. Should I pay someone interest for something I can print off on my computer? No. I will not.. Especially when they can create unlimited amounts of money off of my money.. There has to be limits to their doings.. And since this all they have decreased the limits to 0 (as in they can create money with NO reserves) and increased the costs to you and I.. I say fuck them all.. Nothing but a bunch of two bit scammers in suits. If last week wasn't an example of it you're goddamn stupid.

And maintain the value of money.

so.. if I understand you correctly.. what you're proposing is to not even have a currency at all and replacing it with some kind of barter system?

Already plenty very succesful ones.. Otherwise you're a SLAVE to the dollar.. You charge for your X amount for your expertise in exchange for credits to your account which are exchanged for things you need. No middle man. No interest.. No multiplication of money just because of who they are.. Look up Ithica Hours and many other types of succesful programs..

so is that what you propose to replace the fed with? a cashless bartering system?

because if it is I think you've finally answered my god damn question.

also the ithaca hour isn't one. sorry.

Well...I suggest that is not very practical. I think that since man left the caves...there has been a coin of the realm...maybe even prior to leaving the caves. Why do you suppose that is?

:2 cents:

It's called skepticism and that way of thinking can be traced back to the instincts of animals. Animals run or they attack. It's about survival. For humans it's more complicated, but it's the same basic thing; if you freeze, you're done. Without questions, you will freeze :)

I don't know. I think it could work beautifully. I really like the idea of the only currency being the sweat of one's own brow.

I just have no idea how it could possibly be scaled beyond a very localized, tribal like setting. that would make things like the internet a very hard thing to accomplish.

Well...there is...or at the least was...at least two very small towns in California...one of which use a barter system as well as U.S. currency and another town that prints its own money which is used as barter...as well as U.S. currency. Both towns do so because of lack of jobs in the community. The people manage but for the most part are very poor. I don't view it as being practical outside of a very small community that is barely managing survival.

Sale on tin foil, aisle 5.
:)

well, under a cashless bartering system everyone involved would be saw by us as poor.. because the production of the little trinkets that make our present way of life what it is would be very difficult to produce among a small localized economy. ipad? impossible. electricity? pretty god damn difficult. running water, television, medication all that shit would be out the window.

the definition of "wealthy "would have to be revised. that much is for sure.

clif note, we cant do anything

"many years of research"..oh you mean people posting things online who are questionable themselves? Have you ever thought that the spread of certain conspiracies is a conspiracy itself to hide a third truth? People tend to believe those who don't want to believe "the norm" without any phsyical evidence at all. They somehow feel they have more reason to tell the truth. I don't buy it personally. These people just have as much reason to lie.

Conspiracies are all too often like the National Enquirer. There may be bits of truth in it but largely BS.

Did you know Forbes money, and many other fortunes, started with
Drug money in China, back in the late 1800s. No?

See, ignorrant. There are differences between, Alien type
conspiracy and secret societies, and stories about...how society and
Money are made.

Do you believe in the Bible? No? How ignorrant of you! - The bible
was written back in the roman empire days.

People have to determine, what makes sense and not. I have files
on my computer, about the World war 2 propaganda, back in the
1910s, in a new york times newspaper.

There never were 6 million jews dead. It is too much resources to take
care of 6 million jew bodies, the true numbers?

Around 300,000! But the 6 million, is a nice figure, written in stone.

Yes, I am mad crazy!! But ignorrance to not believe in any conspiracy
theory outside of the norm, that is true stupidity. People team up and
haven't we heard of Skull And Bones? Nobody has yet to reveal
the secrets going on in those meetings....strange, Allright?

Personally, I don't put in any time, on Big foots, dwarf like aliens and so on.
But I like to read reasonable conspiracy theories. That's just me. :thumbsup

jesus fucking christ, deflection of the month.

The problem is not the money itself (a medium of exchange). The problem is the people behind the money. They use whats called a fractional reserve system. You go deposit $100 into the bank. They hold said $100 in the bank and LOAN you back your $100 + $900to someone else and charge interest on top of that. Creating huge amounts of wealth out of thin air.. For them. That huge amount of wealth is then used to buy up all real assets. It's a gamed system.. It use to be 10% reserves. But since the "bailouts" there is no reserve.. None.. They can create money out of thin air and charge you interest for it as much as they want. In addition to all that there are many side bets/gambles made such as the derivitives. Who gets to pay for all of this? The slaves.. You, me and our children are born with a price tag on your head because of this system. Every dollar you pay into the "tax" system is put towards intrerest to the bankers created from this DEBT... NOT to pay for the governments finances.. Every dollar created is a DEBT NOTE. A DEBT created from nothing but printing money and making changes to the ledger. As of now through the bailouts this very well hidden group holds the mortgage to your house, your car, your everything.. To cover their debts to other like systems. If you miss a few payments.. Guess what you get slave? Kicked to the curb and they get 100%+++ of the money back either way. Now what do you suppose happenens when they can't make their payments? They crash markets and take whatever little wealth you might have accumulated. This is also used to kee their little scam alive and so noone makes and changes or regulations to it.. Last Thursday anyone? Financial Terrorism.

That question and statement confuses me... Why does 'when it was written' mater if you believe it or not, or how the when relates to the conspiracy theory at all?

well, not only that but the bible was not written during the time of the roman empire.

the old testament predates the roman empire and the new testament was written after the decline.

No I mean reading books, reading supreme court rulings, reading the "laws," reading books from the perpertrators themselves where they admit to it, documenting historical events tying it all in together.. On and on. Thousands upon thousands of hours of it.. There is a reason for my madness. I didn't just wake up one day and decide I was going to try an figure it all out. I saw first hand being in a certain business something transpire. I warned everyone around me of what I saw. No one wanted to listen because at the time they were making money. Lots of it. They were on top of the World. Now most are waiting tables and/or losing their homes/ASSets. And now saying, "you know, you tried to tell me but I didn't want to listen."