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Deej 05-16-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17145799)
the current news suggests that those turtles that they found washed up on shore died as a result of fishermen adjusting their nets beyond legal limits to catch more fish ASAP in reaction to the oil spill.

i am not saying that is fact, but the fact is there is a lot we do not know and the media, as usual, is not to be trusted.

Just saying :pimp

regardless of those pictures even being involved in this incident or not... We all know that thousands if not millions of animals (not fish, fuck fish, far more fish will die) will be effected if not killed off.

I hate you all...!

directfiesta 05-16-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17145799)
the current news suggests that those turtles that they found washed up on shore died as a result of fishermen adjusting their nets beyond legal limits to catch more fish ASAP in reaction to the oil spill.

i am not saying that is fact, but the fact is there is a lot we do not know and the media, as usual, is not to be trusted.

you live in a right extremist world of denial .... waiting for facts ... did you favor waiting for facts before attacking Iraq ?

directfiesta 05-16-2010 03:40 PM

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dyna mo 05-16-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17145841)
Just saying :pimp

regardless of those pictures even being involved in this incident or not... We all know that thousands if not millions of animals (not fish, fuck fish, far more fish will die) will be effected if not killed off.

I hate you all...!

The 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico can be placed into context of other major oil-well blowouts. Three large spills include (Schenkman, 2010):

1. IXTOC 1. It was the biggest spill witha daily outflow of 30,000 barrels per day initially, dropping to 10,000 barrels per day. The flow was stopped after eight months and 3.5 million barrels were released into the Gulf of Mexico about 80 km offshore of Yucatan, Mexico in 1979.
2. Ekofisk. It released 202,000 barrels of oil about 250 km off the coast on Norway in the North Sea in 1977.
3. Santa Barbara. This relatively small spill released 100,000 barrels of oil into the Santa Barbara Channel offshore of Santa Barbara, California in 1969, resulting in widespread efforts to ban drilling offshore of California and other coasts of the US.

Cleaning Up After Oil Spills

No two oil spills are the same because of the variation in oil types, locations and weather conditions involved. However, broadly speaking, there are four main methods of response.

1. Leave the oil alone so that it breaks down by natural means.
2. Contain the spill with booms and collect it from the water surface using skimmer equipment.
3. Use dispersants to break up the oil and speed its natural biodegradation.
4. Introduce biological agents to the spill to hasten biodegradation.



Oil spill have an immediate effect on marine life, and a longer term effect.

Effects of Oil Spills include:

1. Biological, including physical effects such as smothering and the influence of toxic chemicals.

The animals and plants most at risk are those that could come into contact with a contaminated sea surface. Marine mammals and reptiles; birds that feed by diving or form flocks on the sea; marine life on shorelines; and animals and plants in mariculture facilities.

The most toxic components in oil tend to be those lost rapidly through evaporation when oil is spilt. Because of this, lethal concentrations of toxic components leading to large scale mortalities of marine life are relatively rare, localized and short-lived.

Sub-lethal effects that impair the ability of individual marine organisms to reproduce, grow, feed or perform other functions can be caused by prolonged exposure to a concentration of oil or oil components far lower than will cause death. Sedentary animals in shallow waters such as oysters, mussels and clams that routinely filter large volumes of seawater to extract food are especially likely to accumulate oil components. Whilst these components may not cause any immediate harm, their presence may render such animals unpalatable if they are consumed by man, due to the presence of an oily taste or smell.


This is a temporary problem since the components causing the taint are lost (depurated) when normal conditions are restored.


Processes influencing weathering of oil in the sea.
From Behavior of Oil at Sea.

2. Destruction of coastal habitats.
3. Damage to boats and gear used for fishing, and loss of market for fish if buyers suspect the fish may be contaminated by the oil spill.

The long-term damages are more benign.

1. Smaller, more volatile molecules in oil quickly evaporate or oxidize. These molecules are the most toxic to life.
2. Larger, less volatile molecules are not toxic. We put asphalt, which is mostly the larger oil molecules, on roads and driveways and grass grows through the cracks in the asphalt. And, the asphalt quickly oxidizes. Few roads are useful after a decade because the asphalt oxidizes, hardens, and breaks up. The asphalt must be replaced.
3. Tar has been used for many purposes for centuries with little ill effect.

Lessons Learned

We have learned much from previous oils spills. What can we do to minimize environmental damage? Sometimes the clean up is worse than the spill. The NOAA has been monitoring Prince William Sound, the location of the spill, and they have amassed information on Results, Lessons Learned, and Implications.


High-pressure, hot-water cleaning causes short-term and long-term damage.
3. Stating that cleanup does "more harm than good" while to some extent true, is a bit of an oversimplification. Still, we have learned that:
1. The use of detergents, which are toxic to marine life, to disperse the oil.
2. The use of steam and hot water to clean rocks, which kills all organisms on the rocks.

Current evidence implies that oiled and hot-water washed sites initially suffered more severe declines in population abundance than oiled and not-washed sites.


4. Any cleanup that changes the physical makeup of the area delays recovery. In particular, Large scale excavation of gravel beaches, which delays recovery for many years.
5. Oil that penetrates deeply into sand or sediments can stay fresh for years and be released slowly back into the water. Cleanup is difficult because it disrupts the physical state of the area. Recovery is delayed many years.
6. Using water to flush away oil may remove fine sediment needed by organisms.

mayabong 05-16-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17145657)
more info re: the plumes:::

While they have detected the plumes and their effects with several types of instruments, the researchers are still not sure about their density, nor do they have a very good fix on the dimensions.

Given their size, the plumes cannot possibly be made of pure oil, but more likely consist of fine droplets of oil suspended in a far greater quantity of water, Dr. Joye said. She added that in places, at least, the plumes might be the consistency of a thin salad dressing.

Dr. Joye is serving as a coordinator of the mission from her laboratory in Athens, Ga. Researchers from the University of Mississippi and the University of Southern Mississippi are aboard the boat taking samples and running instruments.

Dr. Joye said the findings about declining oxygen levels were especially worrisome, since oxygen is so slow to move from the surface of the ocean to the bottom. She suspects that oil-eating bacteria are consuming the oxygen at a feverish clip as they work to break down the plumes.

While the oxygen depletion so far is not enough to kill off sea life, the possibility looms that oxygen levels could fall so low as to create large dead zones, especially at the seafloor. ?That?s the big worry,? said Ray Highsmith, head of the Mississippi center that sponsored the mission, known as the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology.

Thermite blew up the rig.

directfiesta 05-16-2010 03:46 PM

lol .... Dyna Mo source ...


dyna mo 05-16-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17145863)
you live in a right extremist world of denial .... waiting for facts ... did you favor waiting for facts before attacking Iraq ?

you can make this personal all you want and point your finger at me with your comments but it has no basis in fact and is not really called for. my comments in this thread have been respectful and while this is gfy, i don't see why you cannot be as well.

either way, i don't care if that is what you think. simply because i choose to not get caught up in the current media hype does not mean you know me and what world i live in.

moreover, your attack iraq comment makes no sense and also shows your lack of understanding of who i am and what my values are.

dyna mo 05-16-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17145879)
lol .... Dyna Mo source ...



no, my source is Oil in the Sea III, THE study on issues such as this. i like to read and try and do research on such topics, not rely on news or gfy.

but do carry on making this about me. it really says more about you than me.

dyna mo 05-16-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17145878)
Thermite blew up the rig.

does north korea have access to that compound? you know they sabotaged that rig, right?

dyna mo 05-16-2010 03:54 PM

if anyone is interested in learning more, here is a link to the pdf version of oil in the sea III

http://books.nap.edu/html/oil_in_the...eportbrief.pdf

dav3 05-16-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17145837)
Im not justifying their actions or methods... All i was doing was pointing out that you were being a little biased in thinking they are only siphoning their oil out of the ocean for profit and profit alone...

I am disgusted too... But being disgusted dosnt help that pelican and turtle now does it...

Back to my pixels...

If they gave a shit about anything but profit, they wouldn't have skimped on that blow-out valve.

scarlettcontent 05-16-2010 04:03 PM

sickening :throwup:throwup

mayabong 05-16-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17145884)
does north korea have access to that compound? you know they sabotaged that rig, right?

Silverstein pulled it, he's part of the APL (anti pelican league)

dyna mo 05-16-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 17145894)
If they gave a shit about anything but profit, they wouldn't have skimped on that blow-out valve.

"We are a responsible and professional company," said BP Alaska spokesman Steve Rinehart. "We work to high standards. Safety is our highest priority."

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Over the past two decades, BP subsidiaries have been convicted three times of environmental crimes in Alaska and Texas, including two felonies. It remains on probation for two of them.

It also has received the biggest-ever fine for willful work safety violations in U.S. history and is the subject of a range of safety investigations, including one in Washington state that resulted in a $69,000 fine for 13 safety violations at its Cherry Point refinery near Ferndale, Wash.

An investigation by the U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board offered a scathing assessment of the company. It found "organizational and safety deficiencies at all levels of the BP Corporation" and said management failures could be traced from Texas to London.

LickMyBalls 05-16-2010 04:17 PM

I wish someone would put a cap on the damn Volcano in Iceland. Makes me sick to my stomach.

Luscious Media 05-16-2010 04:37 PM

This thread made me think about the Exxon Valdez. I was stationed in Anchorage at the time and took a ride down to Seward to volunteer. It was a real mess and I wondered what it looked like now. Found this on YouTube. Quite sad...and maddening.


bronco67 05-16-2010 04:40 PM

60 minutes just had a great piece with one of the survivors of the rig explosion. That guy had a great story about how he escaped. Anyway, he talked a lot about some BP bigwigs visiting the rig, who basically superseded Transocean's safety procedures in the interest of faster drlling. Combine that with a faulty rubber gasket on the blowout valve(which was known about beforehand) and you have a giant fail which is going to fuck up the oceans for quite a while.

Deej 05-16-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 17145894)
If they gave a shit about anything but profit, they wouldn't have skimped on that blow-out valve.

... yea... and...

Done here...

Konkan 05-16-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 17144981)
free oil

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