I love some of you wanabes who always act like "i am far to intelligent to participate in this conversation" but than you have nothing to say. if you are so intelligent you should be disproving everything without even hesitating and save all of us mortals the time.

It comes with the territory when you start talking about reincarnation and creation. Though you approached it with a scientific theory does not change the fact that all to many will make such a theory a proof or lack of proof in god thread.

Check out Franz Bardon interesting stuff. Also black hole theory like you explained is often played out in chaos theory multiverse scenarios.

As for the god stuff brought up here. I will leave that to others as my theories are still in a flux.

whatever gets you through the night and this life. it's all very interesting and as a species we should never stop trying to learn more but a thousand years from now people will still be pretty much in the dark, more knowledge will just begat more theories.

the truth most people want is the one that makes them feel the best and least fearful - the root of all religion in my opinion.

i like the Mark Twain quote.

That's a real theory, and it's called the Big Crunch. An alternate theory is the Big Freeze, where the universe slowly stops expanding and then freezes solid forever.

Yes, the GFY geniuses should put Michio Kaku out of a job and spare him all that wasted effort.

well i could have guffed at the people talking about it. i just dont want to stray the thread. my original post says "no idea how" for that reason.

i like reading on these things so i will def check it out.

maybe you answered your own statement, infinity is the answer. everything is possible.

Well nobody knows for sure why it is still accelrating but most likely gravity from a unkown source. Gravity is not logical, it should be many times stronger than it actually is. Many theories are around about why gravity is so weak compared to the other forces in the universe, among them that other dimensions dillute gravity's strength

:1orglaugh "im far to intelligent for this conversation".... "do you have anything to add".... "no"

ive seen this guy alot. i love his speeches and views.

yeppa that is what they are trying to do with CERN, try to get a graviton and have it pass through another dimension.

Thats whats really hard to wrap your brain around. The universe is all there is and it expands itself and there is nothing outside of it. What's realy hard to think about is the distance between galaxies. The universe is not a big sphere nor is it a box, it's shape depends on where you are in it and what you are viewing. And gravity is not caused by a objects mass, it's not two objects pulling on each other. It's the warping of space the two objects create by their mass.

It's really all about our perspective on things. Think about this... if you stand up a 4'x8' sheet of plexiglass in front of a bunch of ants, they don't know it's a sheet of plexiglass from Home Depot. To them it is just some magical impenetrable "force field". But if you enlarge that ant to human size, after he eats you he will discover, as he's wiping his mandibles, that it was only a sheet of plastic. Perspective.

Gravity is the affect of mass in motion. Or multiple bodies of mass pulling on each other based on motion is it not? ( I may be totally off on that). That would lead me to think that there would have to be some large body of mass outside the universe to pull the universe towards it if gravity was the cause. My guess is it is more likely inertia still propelling from the initial bang of creation whatever the cause.

maybe it is expanding in realization of its self potential OR expanding in self realization, just like a very small kid has a very limited grasp of world around and with time that kid grows perception of reality expands. Since we are inside, our perception is limited to what we can only observe and grasp from within

i think AMP brought up a very interesting point about expanding within O - then it has possibility of almost unlimited potential (even based on energy of atoms)

here is an interesting question - what is a life span of any given atom? can it die (run out of energy)?

Well, Einstein said that time & space are not 2 separate things, but one thing: Time Space. Gravity supposedly comes from objects (mass) warping time/space. Like if you take a bed sheet, have a person holding each corner, and you swirl a baseball around in it. There's no magical mysterious "force" (gravity), it's simply the mass of the object distorting the fabric of time / space. (the sheet). Since the fabric is distorted by the baseball, other objects are susceptible to falling into it's "gravity". I'm not convinced that gravity is really a "force" so much as it is an optical illusion based on our perspective. If we could see it from a much larger perspective, it probably wouldn't be so mysterious any more. We'd be like, "Oh, well that makes sense now."

Put a bowling ball in the middle of your bed. The bowling ball warps the matress just like a object warps space. The more massive the object the more it will warp space. Now place a tennis ball 1 foot away from the bowling ball. The tennis ball will roll towards the bowling ball because the bowling ball is more massive and warps the matress more. This is exactly how gravity works, it warps space.

Now many scientists say that the only thing that could be making the universe expand faster is gravity. But they can't locate or measure that gravity, only it's affects.

I'm pretty sure atoms never actually die. They decay into other elements. I recently learned that lead is decayed uranium. No wonder lead is so toxic.

matter and material world is not that material when you start looking deep inside of things, we have to get deeper before we can know what is this thing we call Universe.

I watched a programe on tv the other night about our moon. Amazing how important it is to us actually. Never really thought about it as much before then...

Would this not then based on your example require a mass outside the universe to pull the universe out much like the tennis ball needs the bowling ball?

Amp I know I am quoting Choker here but thank you for your explanation as well.

It's all good. :thumbsup

Is the universe being "pulled" outward in it's expansion though, or is it still riding on the explosive force of the initial "bang"?

deep stuff man.

I think the term they use for the mysterious energy is "dark energy".

If you have the time, check this video out from Lawrence Krauss. It is worth the hour.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Atom is not material, is it dense vibration of some sort of energy, these energies attract each other which makes appearance of solid objects, can be transfered, observed, attracted by other structured energies. but the energy of atom never dies even if atom decays into other elements (different structures providing different density vibrations)

I guess the real questions are: (in this order)

1. Can we not kill ourselves before we figure all this out?
2. Can we manage to solve enough questions to get ourselves off this rock before we completely deplete it's resources?
3. Can we get out of our solar system before our sun goes Red Giant? (i know we've still got a few billion years)
4. Can we hang on long enough to eventually make the jump to other universes at will?

The last one is the deciding factor in whether or not we are here to stay or just a passing eye-blink.

One other thing that has intrigued philosophers / theologians forever is free will, which doesn't seem to be so free based on much of the science today.

You are correct. String theory seems to explain this but that's too complicated for my pee brain to understand. Theories about what we are, what the universe is about are very interesting to me. In my opinion the most logical answer is that this planet is nothing more than a lab experiment for a highly developed being or race of beings. We are nothing more than a ant farm. LOL

One thing is for certain...

if we are able to colonize other planets and other galaxies, porn will be one of the first things established on any new territory. After a few million light years of travel, everyone is gonna need something to rub one out with. It's the most basic, hardwired element of any living organism: The need to fuck. (replicate).

The universe expansion is accelerating due to the dark matter (apparently).

Energy transforms itself so the amount of energy available in the whole universe is a constant.

Regarding the black holes, Einstein said that there might exist something somewhere in the universe that behaves as a "white hole". Something that instead of sucking everything around it, it "ejects" or "expels" matter, energy, light, etc

Didn't the physicists decide that's what Quasars are? The other side of a black hole.

I've never heard that. Is that really true?

Yeah... the other side of super massive black holes. All that matter & energy has to go somewhere. Obviously that's really over simplified... but the basic idea.

Think that's intense? Star nurseries floating in massive nebulas are truly mind bending.

I'll have to read up on that. :thumbsup

me too!

I hope you're kidding. :winkwink:

I swear I've read this thread before...

I'm not really sure honestly, it fascinates me though. I also read or heard somewhere that black holes are not all about destruction, they also help create new galaxies and stars, they are an important part in the whole creation-destruction cycle.

I think what's disturbing to me is the real possibility that we may be the only organisms to ever advance our understanding to this level. In which case, we truly are on our own in overcoming the necessary obstacles to ensure our survival beyond this island we are on.

I just don't see some benevolent aliens coming from the other side of the universe to save us from ourselves and usher us in to some "next level" of our existence. That shit is for movies. The philosophy of "the strong survive and the weak are eaten" is still very much in play.