I...unlike you...usually choose to believe what is provable...and do not rely upon allegations...inuendo...suspicions..."reading between the lines"..etc.etc. In other words...unlike you..I choose to believe in reality and not pigshit...sport.

The Crazy October Surprise Debunking By Robert Parry (A Special Report)

"Patently absurd reasoning in someone’s argument can often tell you about the strength of the underlying facts. If an argument is deceptive on its face, you might suspect the supporting facts are pretty fragile, too."


"To this day, now 30 years after Iranian radicals seized the American hostages, the real story of what happened and how the Republicans manipulated the process remains mostly unknown."


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/110609.html

Read between those lines..

You just love pigshit...now don't you?

how on earth you came up with all this as a retort for my comment is beyond me. i've never advocated overthrowing anything, when the fuck did i ever say that? never is when. and i certainly do not need a fucking history lesson on persia/iran.

i was told the reason for calling themselves persians by every single one i met, not by a canadian, not an american, not a politician, not the wikipedia, not the fucking television. i have no reason to believe you over them. NONE. they were all very wonderful people and respected me and my views as they reflected theirs in conversation.

you gfyers just look for reasons to try and *correct* other's view & align them to your's.

and if you think i am going to think any person yapping in this thread is an authority on the middle east, you are truly drinking your own kool-aid.

The US should cut all ties with Israel.

Of course not. I have repeatedly stated that I am not a big fan of Israel...and even less of a fan of Hamas...the Palestinians and Iran.

i love iran... i want to move their and marry Mahmoud Ahmadinejad... we could have children and they could all be sailors......

i dont think i would force them to wear those silly sailor suits with the blue and white stripes though...

i hate americans....




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Somethin for you americans

they wont watch it, they are convinced that they are in control of their media and government.

israel has won, they have convinced and entire population of lies. and control almost all free flowing information the average american sees.

they somehow take facts and call them "conspiracies". :1orglaugh

wow... i never knew you hated jews so much...

would you like me to send you some white supremacy literature?

there are many good racists groups to join that feel the same hatred you do.... :thumbsup










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This is fucking horrific, and it is why the US needs to stop supporting Israel immediately!

How dare he talk bad about a people who see gentiles as subhuman, run the banks that are sucking people dry, run the media that brainwashes the goyim, and control american foreign policy through AIPAC.

P.S. Send me some literature.

seems fake

guess it isn't, but that's a crazy about-face considering

I just think its funny all of these people going "you Americans". When you need help, who do countries come crying to "usually?" America. Sure we have our flaws, every country does. Does everyone in the US agree with the political jackoffs in Washington? Nope. You have your opinions, but stop saying "American soldiers" are puppets for Israel as someone said. Those men and women are doing what they are told, the government you can blame for being a puppet, the people of a nation and the soldiers that defend them are not the puppets. Blame the government, fine, not the people, but at the same time remember who also comes to a lot of countries aid when needed. So many people are quick to criticize others instead of looking at themselves and their own country first. All these countries are fucked up, fighting over religion is fucked up, nuclear weapons are fucked up. It's part of life and needs to be dealt with, each country does it differently. I think I would much rather have the US helping "create democracy" (I use that term loosely) than say someone like China who might throw in large amounts of communist dictators or something (just an example). We are just looked at as the bad guys because we are the most "out there" in the world political view. If it was the great country of Canada out there doing the same thing, they would be bashed. The grass is always greener on the other side.

i'm american & i've seen that more than once in the time since it was produced several years ago.

& as i have said here time and time again, and there are several posters in this thread that know it- the media is the problem. and as long as we have the metamans of the world name-calling & denigrating others for not seeing the world EXACTLY as he does, we will continue to be groups that are splintered and unable to come together to create change.

media wins. :upsidedow

Well, probably you are right, well, most people are easy to manipulate and only insignificant units that experienced a lot in their lives are able to tell apart manipulation from facts and truth.

hey stupid just because you dont like the killing of innocent people does not mean you have anything against a group.

i have problems with Israel and the zionists in american who start war with them.

this may SHOCK YOU but there is jewish people who live all over the world in peace and harmony. and not every jewish person in Israel or America supports the occupation.

if you watched the vid above you would understand that.

the jews in the video that did not agree with policy were called "self jew haters".

and warned that the greatest threat to Judaism is the fact that anytime you do not agree with policy you are labeled as an anti Semite or a self hating jew. this in turns distracts from real anti Semites who want to see the jews go down.

just because i do not agree with policy does not mean i have anything against the people. many jews in Israel agree with my views.

but you are a complete tool anyway. but you feel cool throwing out words like "anti semite" because it is the thing to do.

you are a brainwashed dumb fuck and anyone who reads your post realizes you are completely useless. even when you try to be funny you come off as a complete idiot. dont quote me anymore it pains my brain to have to respond to people who cant understand the base of a topic before responding.

but hey you quoted me about the video because you watched it first right? you did watch it NOT.

idiot. :thumbsup

I LOVE AMERICA, my dad just became an american on friday, i am about 6 months away from my permanent green card. than i hope to become one also.

American soldiers are puppets. when you fight for a cause that you do not understand you are a puppet. that is the entire point of the term.

if they knew the back story of the topic they would have the right to say NO I WILL NOT FIGHT FOR THIS.

i dont know about you but i would be pretty pissed to find out i have been lied to. as they send my off IN MY PRIME to fight wars of greed that are complete lies.

Canada is just as fucked up for being there. same with the UK and any Israel supporting nations.

The people ARE TO BLAME! lets use this for example. when you are part of a gang and support a gang and they go around killing people YOU also have blood on your hands. we in north america and the UK all have blood on our hands because of our policies. if you dont understand that i dont know what to tell you.

keep trying to distance yourself from the truth, the truth is out there if you choose not to listen to it that is your own fault. it doesnt change the fact that the blood of innocent people are on your hands as an american just as they are mine a canadian.

and we arent talking about "China" it takes a very evil person to make it sound like their evil actions are ok because other people are worse. people go around and rob banks. is it ok for me to steal from the local corner store because people commit worse crimes of robbery? no of course not. open your mind and you will understand.

everything you read or hear in the north american meda is all a smoke screen. it is 100% filtered WAKE UP! just because you do not agree with your countires policy does not make you anti american, anti jew, anti canadian or anti british. it makes you PRO american/jewish/canadian/british because you believe in PEACE and not war and killing of innocent people.

and use paragraphs omfg how annoying i couldnt go through that entire post.

wrong when you are brainwashed about a situation you are indeed an idiot about it. i was there before, i used to be 100% on the other side of this issue until i did my own research and stopped listening to what people in the media tell me.

before i def. was a brainwashed idiot on the situation and now i have wised up. at least i am man enough to admit my faults.

i do not want to "come together" with people who refuse to think outside of the 4 walls they live in. these people you can lie to for years, let them know it was a lie and they will continue to rather believe in the lie rather than realize they are wrong and hear the truth. they do not want to proceed with the truth. proceeding with the truth means that it will force change. and most of these types do not want change.

i would rather move forward with the truth even if i found out my entire life was a lie.

you cannot come together with people like that, it is impossible.

keep believing that so you can continue to point your finger at others,

media wins.

you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

You have not researched anything. What you have done is research what others have said...or written. You speak about "truth" and the reality is that "truth" is subjective and illusive and comes in many shades of "truth".

You are entitled to think what you choose but your idea of what is "truth" is only "truth" to you and those that may agree with you...but because you and maybe others think it is "truth" does not make it "the" singular "truth".

i point my finger at myself, for enjoying a capitalist society and understanding what it does to the world.

i place blame on my own actions first and foremost. do not get me misunderstood.

it is far beyond media. it is what people are taught in school, who teaches them. it goes deeper than media.

you can continue to try to take neutral ground on every subject but sitting on the fence makes no changes in the world. just because you do not want to choose a side does not make your right either.

at least i have the balls to choose a side. playing middle ground on every situation is a truly weak way to live.

you truly are simplistic in your thinking and myopic in your views of others. you wax over several of my comments that reveal my stance so you can continue to point your finger.

i say you are the problem you say im the problem.

there is no difference. nice try though.

you have not made a "stance" your stance depends on whose post you are quoting.

i bet you people in this thread know my stance and no one knows yours. funny how that works.

You believe 9/11 was carried out by 19 islamic terrorists. Where did you get this belief? was it from your own research or was it from TV?

Just wondering

reading is not one of your strengths, too bad, since you are claiming superiority due to all your *research*

i responded to each and every one of your posts so wtf are you talking about?

funny how you wax over my point that no one should have nuclear weapons. its real neat when we can use cool catch phrases like "wax over" isnt it?

so what is your stance? more nukes is not good but the countries who have them currently legal or not it is ok?

sounds fair to me!

If common sense=pigshit then yes I LOVE IT. Common sense tells me the Iran-contra Affair wasn't the first time politicians used hostages and many others as tools.. That was just one of those "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" scenarios and they got called out on it.. You are a fool and a tool for not seeing through the lies and deception.

you're the idiot for spending that much time and putting that much thought into a response to a post fucking with you... :thumbsup

I WIN.... :2 cents:









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Why didn't the U.S. attack North Korea when they were creating their nukes?... CHINA!
Iran has no Russia or China backing them up.
It all makes perfect sense.

In 1980 Saddam didn't know that the Israelis were coming, this time around they are ready for them and its not Iraq its Iran 400 miles deeper into hate land. An air strike is virtually impossible considering that air fueling over Arab territory is unheard of, unless they use missiles from warships in the gulf I can't see a strike any time soon.

I am not sure that I "believe" anything...but I do have my thinking. I have personallty researched very little in my lifetime...but I have researched certain things that other people have said or written. I have literally read thousands of books (mostly about history and the history of war...auto biographies and biographies of people with historical significant's) and articles in my lifetime...and as far as T.V. goes...I watch the C-Span channels more than any others...but I also watch CNN...Fox..MSNBC..and BBC. Is my answer sufficent enough for you...sport.

what makes you think im not fucking with you?

if i really didnt like you i would ignore you. like "The Demon" :1orglaugh

http://www.dandydesigns.org/sitebuil...res/tongue.jpg

in regards to this topic-

war is wrong.
nuclear is wrong.
government is wrong.
media is wrong.

period.

that said, i admit that i have no idea how to put those genies back in their bottles.

You're wrong

i don't have a problem being wrong. mm asked for my stance & the comments i posted truthfully reflect that, right or wrong.


have a nice day. :)

just messin around

Yeah, we didn't have a reason at all.

http://planetsave.com/files/2007/12/...-oil-fires.jpg

Dude, people have never called themselves Iranians, it's ALWAYS been Persians long before this government came into power. How can the government that JUST came into power have changed the past?

Yes, the reason to invade Iraq is because when you fuckers went in there in '91 and helped their enemy, they decided to light some fires. 10 years later, the fires were out. Did you think that the Iraqis should have just left the oil wells for their enemies to use once they withdrew???

We set the oil wells on fire during the Gulf War. What do you think the odds are that we did it again?

Pigshit.

not sure why you are pressing this issue with me, i simply shared my experience with what people there said to me, including more than several senior citizens, who pre-date the current government there.


is it right or wrong, i don't fucking know, but it's my fucking experience- nothing more nothing less. if yours is different, i could not really give a fuck but back the fuck off.

now please, you bore me, go gfy.

nice twist on my post.

i said over COMPLETE LIES!

not "we didnt have a reason at all"

point out where i said that.

nice twist. you cant even admit it was based off of lies. you have a dradel so far up your ass you even somehow convince yourself your spin on my post is right. :1orglaugh

Gulf War Vets question U.S. role in Oil Well Fires

"One veteran has now stepped forward and given a detailed account of how he and others in special teams, moved forward of the front, (behind enemy lines ahead of US forces) and then set charges on the well heads. "We were mustered into the briefing tent at which point a gentleman whom I first had thought to be an American began to brief us on the operation. I was concerned because he was not wearing a US uniform and insignias."
The information provided over a series of meetings with this veteran corroborates reports from other veterans who are totally unconnected with this individual. This testimony brings into serious question the integrity of the US government, as it provided information to the American public and military during the last Gulf War."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0302/S00215.htm

It should also be pretty much common knowledge by now that the majority of the oil fires in the Gulf, Iraq and Kuwait were from us droppping napalm and FAEs on/around the wells.

Damn...you just love consuming pigshit.

Did you personally see any Iraqi's setting off oil wells?

No...the wells were not in my AO.

What lies are you referring to?

so the senior citizens there told you that they called themselves Persians when they were kids because they knew that 50 years later there would be a government they would hate?

I'm only pressing the issue because it's so blatantly obvious that you're LYING. Give it up dude. They were always Persians. Stop lying.

Uh oh....CAUGHTTTTTT JK