Sorry, I was thinking less soldiers were dieing
It's a war we can't win, so less losses is a plus for me, having a daughter in the military, thats the way I roll

This will be the deadliest month in afganistan since the war started I believe.

afghanistan:

http://i47.tinypic.com/257lt04.jpg

http://www.icasualties.org/oef/

Big surprise!! You giving an opinion without reading?? No Way!!


Anti-Obama until the end huh?

Nobody who read that FULL article would keep McChrystal.

DynaMo I secretly love you, why you have to team up on me with demon, it hurts me to the core (tear runs down face, hugs you).

Yeah I hate Obama and you love the ground he walks on because he's black, fuck you

How about you go fuck yourself?

BTW: "your" should have been spelled "you're" and the word "to" should have been spelled "too".

Just pointing out your stupidity asshat!

What do you do in adult anyway?

Are you the Demon's fake nic?

LIke I said before, we shouldn't be there. I thought the president said he was pulling out the troops? In 18 months, I traveled underwater enough distance to go around the world, so I don't know why we are still there.
But thanx for the info, just makes me hate that asshat in the oval office even more

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i thought we were all playing around? i do get a kick outta the demon, he's top noodler around here. he jumped my shit way back when and i got butthurt at first but realized what's up.

so i'm not teamed up with him, i just try and keep things cool with everyone, that's why i thought we were just playin....

hugs.


your non-zionist pal,

dyna mo.

i hear ya man, i agree. the pres said pullout was july 2011 though, if i recall correctly.

It has nothing to do with the Pres. being "thin skinned". When will you guys figure this out? Speaking as a lowly ex-Specialist from 1st Infantry, I can tell you with full confidence that the people in the military are taught from Day 1, not only to take & carry out orders, but to respect their superiors and most definitely not publicly mock them. So what does that tell us?

1. General McChrystal was well aware of that.
2. The soldiers he commands look to him for leadership. If he's opposed to the Pres.' war strategy, what are the ground troops supposed to do? This is a distraction they do not need and a decision they should never have to make.
3. The US has always been commanded by civilian leadership. The military works for us. Even 4 Star Generals don't get to usurp that. This General has fucked up more than once, and been warned, more than once.
4. What kind of message does it send to our enemies when the General in charge of the theater disagrees with the President? I'll tell you... it makes us weak.

And for the record, I disagree with the Pres. too. I think we need to get the fuck out of Afghanistan. But it's not going to happen. :2 cents:

it was also said Rommel shot himself volounteerily - just saying

That's fucked up.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/pos...ling_ston.html


Nowhere in the Rolling Stone piece does McChrystal challenge Obama on his policy or his strategy. Nowhere is he insubordinate. He is, everyone says, a marvelous military man (although, given his role in the cover-up of the friendly fire death of Cpl. Pat Tillman, the former NFL star, he is a bit of a liar, as well). But he has an impossible task: a war that cannot be won. If he doesn?t know it, then Staff Sgt. Kennith Hicks sure does.

What is this chart supposed to prove?

Part of Obama's platform was, he would draw down Iraq and pay more attention to Afghanistan. He was voted in. He won!

You can't send more troops into a region and expect LESS casualties.

I'm not sure what the point of this is.

If Obama pulls out of Afghanistan he will be crucified for it.

Too many people here think they have all of the fucking answers, yet none of them make a stitch of fucking sense. :2 cents:

You're quoting an opinion piece?

General McCrystal came up via special operation forces...and they are a different breed of soldier and most of them never become a 4 star General. Apparently he was very good at special operations/black op's and it is clear that he should have been left in that role. It is unforunate for him and unforunate for the Army to lose him...over such BS...but for the role he was placed in by this President he needed to be fired...for stupidity if for no other reason.

your ability to be obtuse is impressive.

vendzilla commented he thought troop casualties were decreasing, they aren't. that's the point of my posting that. it can't be that hard to see that unless you simply are wanting to argue and point fingers at others, which is all you do want to do.

One of several I've read, they all say the same thing

based on this, imo, obama should of sent a clear message to the troops by refusing the resignation, firing the general and proceeding with a court marshall.

Sorry, I missed the context. I stand corrected.

Carry on...

no worries, man, it's all good.

And I have to admit, I haven't been keeping up on the war, I have a total and complete distaste for it. I know it's stupid at this or any point, I don't care who got us there. It just needs to stop. And any delay is unacceptable.

I loved the way we went after a country that attacked us, but we didn't need to hang around after that

so I'm interested to hear what the libs on this board think of the fact that Obama put General "Betray-us", (as Move-on.org and all the Libs called him), in command in Afghanistan now....


I'm truly curious to hear what you all think....


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Does that mean it would have been OK for McChrystal to give Obama the finger?

I think he's jewish!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Ok Mayabong.... You cracked me up with that one


Thanks! :thumbsup

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The left hasn't been truly happy with Obama on MANY issues so far.

If you are a super left-wing liberal progressive, Obama has disappointed you time after time.

That said, they will all vote him back in in 2012, because as much as Obama has not gone left enough, he is still a more acceptable option than a republican.

It really just shows how much the right hates Obama. Even when he tries to appease the center, he is still called every name under the book.

He is an intelligent person, who actually THINKS before he acts. He will be re-elected.

That's why the Jews love him so much - especially in Israel! :1orglaugh

Just messin round

Which is a nice answer and all.... and I appreciate that everyone has the right to a position on any subject.... but it doesn't really answer my specific question.

What do you think of the fact that this guy that all the libs hated so much has just been appointed by Obama? Does it change your opinion of the General and all the lies he was accused of? Do you think that maybe he wasn't such a liar after all, and got a bum rap?
Or does it change your opinion of Obama? Do you have any sort of thoughts on the subject?

Inquiring minds.... :)


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I tend to agree. When the Taliban was overthrown and Al Qeada was disrupted...in short thrift... with very minimal losses...our forces should have been withdrawn.

The same thing applies to Iraq. When Bush landed on the carrier that flew the banner...Mission Accomplished...it had been accomplished. In 24 days Iraq's government had been toppled and its military basically destroyed...with minimal losses...and our forces should have been withdrawn.

Instead of withdrawing...we took on nation building in both countries...but the problem is we cannot afford to stay for the multiple generations it will require to build these nations and "win the hearts and minds" of the people.

At any point we pull out...now...or in the near future the countries will go to hell.

General McChrystal only resigned as commander in Afghanistan. He has not resigned or retired from the military today.

i think he should have been in charge last year?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I never held any animosity towards General Petraeus, and I thought Move-On went too far with their portrayal of him.

A brilliant move by Obama however, as the right can't really bitch about this replacement without looking like hypocrites.

Good move by Obama. Even the republican's agrees so i guess that's a start lol

Ok, cool. So do you think he was a liar in his report on the surge in iraq, or did the move-on.org types accuse him unfairly?


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Petraeus was in charge of both wars and picked/recommended McChrystal to run the operation in Afghanistan.

Wonder who will take over the overseeing of both wars for Petraeus now?

my understanding was Petraeus was apart of central command that oversaw the entire middleeast region, and probably has a lot to do with the current US strategy with Isreal/Iran

i think he should have been used to deal with Afghanistan

Because he's trying to hang on for another year or so to get 4 Star benefits. He hasn't been in rank long enough to retire with 4 Star bennies yet. But most think he's washed up. He's commanded his last war.

I am not sure what you are talking about regarding move-on.org, but i have been follow Petraeus with great interest since he took over command of Iraq. Anything regarding surges and 'lies' is kinda crazy, since the strategy is as old as time itself, but i shall look it up

That would have happened if we pulled out on day 1 or day 10,0001.

Iraq, Afghanistan and a lot of Pakistan will never change no matter how many of our young soldiers are lost. When you invade countries with home elections being more important than a planned end game then it cant do anything but continue to spiral out of control.

No amount of Nobel Peace Prizes or sacked generals are going to fix the mother of all fuckups.

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Lost in this whole thing is the fact that McChrystal's criticisms were absolutely correct.

That's why the mainstream media is focusing on the insubordination rather than the substance of the comments.

I read the full article, and I have nothing but respect for McChrystal.

This is really simple. His conduct is far below his rank, and it's beyond unbecoming. He's lucky he's not court martialed. Chain of command. Discipline.

bothers me it's all based what a news reporter said he heard