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Which is a nice answer and all.... and I appreciate that everyone has the right to a position on any subject.... but it doesn't really answer my specific question.

What do you think of the fact that this guy that all the libs hated so much has just been appointed by Obama? Does it change your opinion of the General and all the lies he was accused of? Do you think that maybe he wasn't such a liar after all, and got a bum rap?
Or does it change your opinion of Obama? Do you have any sort of thoughts on the subject?

Inquiring minds.... :)


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I tend to agree. When the Taliban was overthrown and Al Qeada was disrupted...in short thrift... with very minimal losses...our forces should have been withdrawn.

The same thing applies to Iraq. When Bush landed on the carrier that flew the banner...Mission Accomplished...it had been accomplished. In 24 days Iraq's government had been toppled and its military basically destroyed...with minimal losses...and our forces should have been withdrawn.

Instead of withdrawing...we took on nation building in both countries...but the problem is we cannot afford to stay for the multiple generations it will require to build these nations and "win the hearts and minds" of the people.

At any point we pull out...now...or in the near future the countries will go to hell.

General McChrystal only resigned as commander in Afghanistan. He has not resigned or retired from the military today.

i think he should have been in charge last year?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I never held any animosity towards General Petraeus, and I thought Move-On went too far with their portrayal of him.

A brilliant move by Obama however, as the right can't really bitch about this replacement without looking like hypocrites.

Good move by Obama. Even the republican's agrees so i guess that's a start lol

Ok, cool. So do you think he was a liar in his report on the surge in iraq, or did the move-on.org types accuse him unfairly?


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Petraeus was in charge of both wars and picked/recommended McChrystal to run the operation in Afghanistan.

Wonder who will take over the overseeing of both wars for Petraeus now?

my understanding was Petraeus was apart of central command that oversaw the entire middleeast region, and probably has a lot to do with the current US strategy with Isreal/Iran

i think he should have been used to deal with Afghanistan

Because he's trying to hang on for another year or so to get 4 Star benefits. He hasn't been in rank long enough to retire with 4 Star bennies yet. But most think he's washed up. He's commanded his last war.

I am not sure what you are talking about regarding move-on.org, but i have been follow Petraeus with great interest since he took over command of Iraq. Anything regarding surges and 'lies' is kinda crazy, since the strategy is as old as time itself, but i shall look it up

That would have happened if we pulled out on day 1 or day 10,0001.

Iraq, Afghanistan and a lot of Pakistan will never change no matter how many of our young soldiers are lost. When you invade countries with home elections being more important than a planned end game then it cant do anything but continue to spiral out of control.

No amount of Nobel Peace Prizes or sacked generals are going to fix the mother of all fuckups.

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Lost in this whole thing is the fact that McChrystal's criticisms were absolutely correct.

That's why the mainstream media is focusing on the insubordination rather than the substance of the comments.

I read the full article, and I have nothing but respect for McChrystal.

This is really simple. His conduct is far below his rank, and it's beyond unbecoming. He's lucky he's not court martialed. Chain of command. Discipline.

bothers me it's all based what a news reporter said he heard

A) Bush is retarded.

B) Only someone biased would think that way. So what does that say about you?

[a]General ?

[b]bought owned and paid for - the usual President dipshit ?

which one should we go with

What do you think will the effect of this on the Kandahar Campaign?

Brings back memories.

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Man, I just noticed your sig.... I LOVE Robert A Heinlein! One of my favorite authors of all time!!
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It's already shifting very fast.... today already... to the strategy in Afghanistan. McChrystal is already old news... focus is shifting as we speak.

The reporter has said he does not support us being in Afghanistan and that he thought the piece was a success in that, it brings attention to Afghanistan. Which may also be why McChrystal did what he did. He's not a stupid man, but he either did this to draw attention, or he had a major brain fart.

And it worked. All questions are now pointing to: What the fuck are we still doing there 9 years later? What is the end goal here?

That country did not attack you ...

A bunch of individuals of many nationalities, using the remote fields, did attack you ...

Just for the fun of it, lets suppose a bunch of Jehova's witness have a camp in Nebraska. They prepare an attack against Italy ( random choice ) because of what ever reason. They blow up the Vatican...

Is Italy right to blow up the USA ? Should they ask NATO to join and occupy the USA ...


Stop one in a while and think ...

Shows he is open minded , contrary to the previous stubborn president ... He did keep Gates ...

On June 15, 2010, General Petraeus momentarily fainted while being questioned by the Senate Armed Services Committee. He quickly recovered and was able to walk and exit the room without assistance. [150]

I read the article today.

While I can see places/times in history when something like COIN might have worked, I don't think this is the place, or time.

I have respect for the General in that (based on the article) he seemed to put himself out on the line with the troops.

I have disdain for the General for the part he took in the Tillman cover-up.

No matter what he thinks of President Obama, or VP Biden, I think that as a member of the armed forces, he was out of line in his comments in front of a reporter.

You're a fucking idiot and don't deserve to be responded to, BUT
The Bush administration stated that, as policy, it would not distinguish between terrorist organizations and nations or governments that harbor them, so in a response to the terrorist attack on 9/11 to the world trade center, we attacked Afghanistan with operation Enduring Freedom.

Thanks for the insult ... but I excuse you .. as I know the reasons...

I don't give a shit what Bush said ... after all, he said there were WMD, that he knew where Bin Laden is .. and so on.

So you do agree that if a Greek prepares an attack on Canada from Nebraska, we should bomb the shit out of you ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

FYI, there was not a single afghan in those planes ( at least as terrorists ... but many Saudis... ).

Now, let the insults be heard ...

Can't you read?
They were harboring terrorist, that has never been in doubt
Attacking Afghanistan for that, the WMDs were about Iraq, I never thought attacking Iraq was a good thing and never will!

Again, stop being a moron

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You just cant answer : so, if the USA us harboring terrorists ( to other nations ) , it is OK to bomb you back to the far-west ... lol

Afghanistan = terrorists
Iraq = WMD
Iran= nukes
Korea = he is a midget
Venezuela = He is to full of himself
Israel = all kosher, no problem ...

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Funny how it was not OK for the Russians to be there .. they were fighting muslims insurgents as well ....

So Bush = it is gold
Obama says = it is shit

You are so easy to predict.

Harboring terrorists.... man they spoon fed that jar of pureed carrots hard didn't they.

I doubt anyone in Afghanistan had any idea where those guys were. Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia? Why aren't we attacking Somalia right now? Isn't Somalia harboring terrorists? They aren't even trying to hide it. You gotta see past the bs man.

And we all know that was bullshit, just like Patton's car accident.

i'm down with this filthy traitor mccrystal being lynched at the gallows

You can call for the perfect world, I know the world is fucked up, but the ones that attacked the trade center , the pentagon, they came from Afghanistan.

I don't think we should be at war with anyone, if someone attacks us, level their capitol from a distance.

And if you're going to bring up terroists, then the list starts with some of the presidents friends like William Ayers