pps was a baddddd idea in the first place

We will be rolling out a new rev-share program in the near future. The payouts will be realistic, steady, and continue for the life of the customer. PPS was a disaster for us and I recommend that anyone doing it keep a very close eye on their numbers, watch out for fraud.

Don I admire your fire, appreciate you informing affils and agree on most stuff.

You are right some pps progs are prob pulling some stuff. Otoh, as TC said, there are a couple progs paying $35 a sup who are still strong. So maybe one just one cant compete with the other in 2010.

Also I noticed another prog going to $200 min with no mention unless you look. So expect more "where is my money posts" I guess.

Honestly I forget who, prob cause I was going to have to pull links with them anyhow, which figures. That is why they raised payout. They dont sell anymore.

Raising payouts is kind of a "death spiral, disasterous, catch 22" for a prog now days.

My advice, dont do it. Small affils will pull traffic. And the couple decent senders will too. Why? Cause you dont sell and because it appears to everyone like you are fading. Catch 22. Lower your revshare or pps first.

Thank you for your consideration. :)

They didn't have to do a thing. Blaming affiliates is just the same old shit I often see here. It's your business and you made the decisions. There are plenty of affiliates who prefer a good long term revshare arrangement (without the "screw") and I happen to be one of them. For years now I've been watching these programs pop up paying $35 on free trials, the $100 per sale promos, the cross sells, and all that other bullshit. I've always mostly rolled my eyes at that crap. I know I'm not the only one either. We sat here for years and watched most of the industry indulge in it, mostly in protest.

Nevermind, just saw the other thread...
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I'm sorry when I read my own post from an affils point of view it makes sense :) but from a pay op they would prob be best to leave PPS the same, raise payouts to $200 and just shave ya.. only problem tho with that is if your converions already suck so shaving aint going to work. It wont work for smaller guys. For the bigger senders yes it may work.

Why did I get into this mess. :) Forgive me. I dont know shit about the paysite side. :) But I do know if I see $200 I better be pulling that or so a month or two or my traffic is gone. Of course at that point as I said they want to hang on to the whales.

Bottom line: When you aint selling (bringing money in) shit goes south fast. I do know that.

Actually they would be best to go down with the ship and get favorable press to keep the affil population good will but that seldom happens I guess.

It is a terrible thing when your money crashes and you wonder who is going to pay the elec bill. So they grasp for straws and f everyone rather than use good biz sense preperation and maybe affil good will to stay floating.

Ill throw some hits at someone who has always sold but just needs to lower pps or revshare now. $5 doesnt bother me if you sell. Now if you dont sell hardly at all.. then hopefully you seen it coming.

Expect a few more major announcements very soon. I've got the inside scoop on a few very large companies about to close, and a few others dropping the affiliate model.

Going to be interesting to see who is still here this time 2012.

Correct on all accounts.
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most programs are interchangeable nowadays so who cares. just switch links and move on.

the big boys will always have the resources for affiliate traffic and the little guys will need affiliates to make sales.

the sky is not falling because a couple walking dead programs went under.

Agreed 100%.

It is true this place over emphasizes things.

Any affils now days prob know who sells as well as the prog owners themselves and arent promoting most of those now going under. Most dont go under overnight.

Trini, I bet all those closing are prob not being promoted anyhow. And please :) noone who sells is dropping the affil model unless they flunked Business 101. :) You cant convince me or 488 of that. :)

BF, you have been anti affil since day one :)

nobody according to the mayans

What's the probability of MasterCard/Visa cracking down on rebilling for "high risk" category transactions like online adult?

What would the effect be, long term and short term, on the industry?

:)

Sly, we all know that people like Don have no clue about the industry in a grand scale. Him simply using "big pps programs", "weg", "perfect gonzo", "quickbuck", "rehab dollars" and "adult profit" in the same sentence completely disqualifies him as a knowledgable person in adult in my oppinion...

The least you should know is who the big players are that actually CAN afford the high PPS. Small programs with very little exclusive content and small member base can simply not support high PPS without heavy cross sells. Big programs however definately can do so without heavy cross sells...

How many program owners or webmasters in general do you know who actually know anything about business? Not many. They all got lucky and rode the luck and timing train in the industry. Now that it takes some business mind to run a business, they are failing.

Most people in this business flunked business 101. :2 cents:

Thanks for the information. I like this idea.

Does the "$xxx bonuses on every x sale" work? :2 cents:

LOL That's funny :) Well if that is true then we are indeed in trouble.

Anyhow not arguing. Whenever someone says "affils are dieing ect ect" I show up with my litle speech. BF shows up and says his little :2 cents: that they are. And life goes on.. just a little more time wasted. :)

So I am no longer knee jerk on that topic. Sheesh.

We are all so predictable. :)

I just know I am starting this month real slow but I did the same thing last month. Then took off on the 4th.

I am starting to believe in that batch processing theory someone had.

Hmmm interesting conclusion.

The decline in the Adult Internet started long before the recession. That just made it worse. Will those lost to free porn come back to paying?

The guys who can't afford $30 a month are a small percentage. Tubes are still surviving so someones spending money on "Adult" or they would be falling as well.

So will those who can't afford $30 a month come back to buying porn? Not unless we give them a very good reason to come back.

Very true. Most people in this business had very little clue about the porn business and the product. They know how to program a site and send traffic. As for business 101, most never took that class. :1orglaugh

How much income is from people who signed up and forgot about being members for months after months? Yes very little. They're members who are consuming the product. If they don't rebill they will on another site. So it will mean more leave as more join.

Well, my friends, it's time to promote a Program that's on the RISE - PeabodyCash! We're actually GROWING and making more for our affiliates then ever so check US out and then complain. LOL :)

we still pay $75 PPS, up to $5 per free

Lets go back to 99 and i would be happy, wait what, tubes cant go back, o fuck, we are fucked

$30 - $35 pps is a payout that we can sustain for the forceable future.
It helps to have years worth of recurring...

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