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Okay, since you didn't answer the question let me ask it again.

Do you think it should be legal to drive drunk as long as you don't hit someone and cause injury?

Forget MADD or stats or anything like that. Should I be allowed to get shitfaced drunk, get behind the wheel and drive?

I did answer your question. There's nothing you, I or any statute can do about it. You/I as a friend can try to stop you/me but outside of that you/me are going to do what you're/we're going to do. Imposing fines and jail sentences doesn't help or solve the problem. It generates revenue and creates more problems for someone who already has a problem.

And in case yo missed the other thread you should read my posts there.

And I will add to that.

Cell Phone Use as Dangerous as Drunken Driving
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Dri...830105036.html

So where do we draw the line in pointing fingers? Where does it all end?

So then you do think it should be legal.

So let me ask you this. A guy gets drunk at a bar, gets in his car and drives home. The police pull him over because he has a broken headlight. While they have him pulled over they can see that the guy is clearly bombed out of him mind. Do they just give him a warning for the headlight and let him continue on his way since he hasn't hurt anyone or do they arrest him and put him into the system?

I agree with you that just arresting and fining someone doesn't treat the problem, but we can't just let people drive drunk until they hurt someone and then punish them.

If it were up to me here is what I would do.

1st offense. You lose your license for 6 months and are required to complete some kind of alcohol treatment program. Nothing too crazy, meetings once a week for a few months and a basic treatment program. During this time you are also not allowed to drink. SCRAM bracelets for the full term of the treatment. Allow the person to get a hardship license that allows them to go to and from work and the grocery store. This way if it was just a simple, dumb mistake that person's life isn't destroyed and they learn a lesson.

2nd offense. You lose your license for at least 2 years and have to spend 90 days in a live in treatment center. If you have a job you can leave to go to the job, but that is all. No booze for 2 years.

3rd offense. 5 years with no license and no booze. More treatment. If you drink during that 5 years or drive during that 5 years you go to jail for the remainder of of the time you have left to serve.

That might seem harsh, but it is a completely preventable thing. I have a friend who is in a wheelchair because he was rear ended by a drunk driver. My buddy was sitting at a stop light and the guy coming up behind him had a blood alcohol level of .21 and ran into him doing about 40 mph. Here is the kicker. The guy was 17 years old when this happened (he was a junior in high school, I was a senior and 18 years old). He was still a virgin and now nothing below the waist works. He has piss bag and colostomy bag. He has never gotten to have sex. He will never father children (well, maybe he could if he is still creating sperm and they did in vetro.) It is pretty difficult to even get a date when you are in a wheelchair, much less find someone who will understand what your life is like. He has a decent life and has come to grips with it, but he was robbed of a lot of the day to day joy that the rest of us have because this guy decided to get behind the wheel. We can't coddle people that are going to commit these crimes, we have to bring the hammer down on them, give them a chance to change their behavior and if they don't, we have to be done with them and put them in a situation where they can't hurt people.

Oh, and since I forgot to add it to my already too long post, I agree 100% that texting and cell phone use is very dangerous. I might not be 100% sold that it is as dangerous and drunk driving, but it is very dangerous. It seems like there is almost not a week that goes buy where you don't see someone nearly hit someone else because they are trying to drive while text or talk.

Here in my state they just made talking without a hands free or texting while driving illegal. I think that should be the way it is nation wide.

I have an uncle who was rear ended by a drunk cop in a police car. The drunk cop got taken away and my uncle was blamed for the accident. Look we've all had drunk driver experiences. The fact is as long as there's alcohol we're going to have drunk drivers.. No law is going to stop that. That is unless you'd like to try prohibition again? We know how well that worked before and we REALLY know how well it's working as far as drugs are concerned.

How about another personal story.. My mom was stopped at a DUI check point which they setup outside the only entrance to her subdivision. SHe like me doesn't care too much for our supposed "protectors" and especially didn't care too much about being stopped outside the entrance to her home. Well long story short the cop doesn't like her attitude and decides she's an "offender" she passes all the usual tests but the cop is bound and determinded so he hauls her off to the hospital. End result he gives her a DUI for her medication she has been taking for about 25 years. Did you know that aroud 70% of the medication over the counter can result in you having a DUI?

So you think we should lock people away because they have a addiction? You don't seem to understand that jail and fines doesn't solve the problem. It only costs you and I about $30k a year to house.. BTW I'm becoming to drunk to continue on much further with this conversation..lol I think I need to go get some cigarettes. Cheers.

When she went to court and showed them she is on prescription medicine did the toss it out?



What do suggest we do with them? I feel this way: If you want to sit you your house and shook heroin into your nuts, I don't care. But if you are going to get behind the wheel and drive afterwards now I do care.

So what do you suggest we do with people who drink and drive and get caught? Again, I ask, if a cop pulls someone over for whatever reason and sees they are drunk, should they just let them go? If not, what do we do with them? We put them in treatment? that isn't free, so who pays for it?

After hiring a lawyer for $1500 they reduced it to wreckless driving and fined her and court costs of about $800..





How about giving them a citation to discuss needs after and taking them home? To serve and protect??

$30+k a year to house a person in jail as a national standard. Treatment is generally 10-20% of that.. Not lookiing it up right now but just going off of memory.

So what is there to deter them from doing it again? How much of a fine are we talking about here. There are also other potential legal issues that a police department could come up against by taking someone home.



I know it is expensive to jail someone, in my scenario above I don't suggest jail until they offend 3 times and even then on the third they are given a chance to do the right thing and only get jail if they don't comply and get treatment and follow through.

WHy should there be a fine? Aren't we already supposedly paying for the police out of our tax dollars? Not..

What legal issues? They have to drive you to jail don't they? I'm much more likely to sue a cop for enforcing an unconstitutional law than I am taking me home.. But thats just me..





3 times in a lifetime? Or do they just make up 3 times in 10 years or whatever and if they find one within 10 years they can go back another ten years and so on?

We haven't even got into the discussion of the "record" and how that record affects said persons life..

Nor have we discussed how the district attorneys recieve points for convictions which are then turned into $. But we're not suppose to know that.

You are the one that said "citation" I assumed that meant a fine. If there is no fine then what good is the citation?

As for driving someone home. Here is how it could go down. The cop pulls you over, you are drunk. He says, "You are a bad boy, here is your little note to remind you not to do it again and now we will drive you home. You live 20 miles away. While they are driving you home another call comes in of an assault. Because you live in a little town like I do there is often only 1 or 2 cops on late at night. The cop is delayed responding to this other call the person gets hurt. They decide to sue the police department because they didn't respond fast enough. Don't think it will happen? The town I live in was sued because it took the cops more than 5 minutes to respond to an alarm at this guy's business and he fucking won!






Yes, 3 times in a lifetime. I think it is not too much to ask that people be responsible for their own actions. I have gone through 39 years of my life without driving drunk, I don't think it is too much to ask someone to not do this 3 times in a lifetime, and as I said above if you follow the rules when you get caught, you avoid going to jail.

How do you propose we deter people from driving drunk if we are just going to take them home and tell them shame?

OK now we're getting somewhere. So a cop pulls over someone based on a statute. Your example was what a broken head light? First of all what the fuck does it matter if a person has a broken headlight? Really how petty do we need to get? The cop should spend his time in fighting actual crimes. As in your example of a B&E. But in reality they are of no use there because all they do is show up after such things have occured and write a report. But because they are spending so much time jumping out of bushes catching people with broken headlights to generate revenue they don;t have time for those things.








Congrats, you must not be a drinker.. I know no person who has ever drank that has never drank and driven. Or are you one of those who thinks he knows how much equals being too drunk to drive? I'm sure a BAC would change your mind..

Again jailing and fining doesn't solve the problem. It ony makes the persons life worse and gerates revenue for the municipality.. Which BTW all revenues are hidden from the public via the CAFR AKA second set of books.

Hell let's take this into an even deeper mindfuck.. Did you know that "driving" in reality has a entirely different "legal" meaning that you might even think?

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Most of the time they pull someone over for a broken light or something petty so they can check to make sure you aren't driving with a suspended license or without insurance.

At least if they were late responding to a call because they had someone pulled over it was them doing their job, not acting as a taxi service for someone who can't take responsibility for themselves.






I'm not a heavy drinker. I probably drink a few times a months and get drunk a few times a year. I have never EVER, not once driven drunk. Not that I think I can tell that I know how much booze can make me drunk. If I go out to dinner and I am driving I drink no booze. If I go to a friends and I am driving home, I don't drink any booze. NEVER! Not once!. I'm not saying people have to be as anal about it as I am. I think a person could go out and have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner and be fine, but there is absolutely no excuse for going to a bar, having 10 shots of booze, getting falling down drunk and driving.

So I ask for the third time, how do you suggest we deter people from drinking and driving? You say finding and jailing them won't work. So great! What will? Send them to a treatment class? For how long? What kind of punishment do you get if you don't complete the classes?

Isn't she the celeb who's been parodied as a reckless party animal several times before? :2 cents:

I applaud you in your convictions but it's just not how everyone is.. We all have our "rebeliousness" I guess.. And considering there are over 1 million laws on the books in the US thanks to everyone wanting to control everyone else it leads to us all The average American commits three felonies a day.

I guess if they don't complete the treatments there's not much you can do. But it costs much less and it can be tried and tried again for much less.. Jail isn't going to do anything but cost us all more money I can tell you that.

BTW "driving" "driver" is one conducting business on the roadways such as a truck or taxi cab driver. Confirmed by multiple supreme court rulings. Not a man or woman traveling from point a to b..

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Well, I guess we will probably have to agree to disagree on this. I think we need to give these people treatment and try to fix the problem so that people who have legit problems can hopefully fix it. But I feel that if there are not real consequences for people's actions they will have very little reason to stop their behavior. If we tell them, "You need to go to treatment and if you fail at it, I guess we will just give you another chance and another chance and another chance." People that fail rehab more than a couple of times tend to need something major to happen to them before they realize that they do need help and take getting better seriously. I would just rather that something major be something like going to jail for a period of time or some kind of hammer brought down on them to jar them into action then for that thing to be that they killed or crippled someone with their car.

It's not really that we disagree on anything. It's just that you think our system is something that it isn't. It is really a system setup to generate money. Not to help anyone except those who benefit from it. And those people are not you and I. (speaking as if you are one of the general public) but with that said even the majority of the people who are working for the "system" don't even realize what they are doing. They believe that they are doing is the right thing but in reality they are serving a very deceptive system.

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