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bhutocracy 07-15-2010 09:02 PM

I stopped reading after:

"The tactical improvisation leaves even many Obama supporters saying they “don’t know what he really stands for” — as though there could somehow be a mystery about where he stands after nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending and two landmark pieces of legislation passed within 18 months."

Quite a ridiculous statement. As proven by Bush's response to the financial crisis, McCain would have done almost exactly the same level of stimulous spending albiet with a higher proportion of it in tax cuts. Significant portions of the health care bill are former republican proposals and both health care and financial reforms bills will no doubt be total failures as neither of them are much more than window dressing. Obama is centre-right anywhere else in the world or in American itself 30 years ago. I think it's completely fair to question what he stands for, I mean first you'd have to see him get off his knees in front of the corporate cash. It can't only be Rahm wormtonguing him.
America got bait and switched very, very deftly.

Vendzilla 07-15-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 17339194)
I stopped reading after:

"The tactical improvisation leaves even many Obama supporters saying they ?don?t know what he really stands for? ? as though there could somehow be a mystery about where he stands after nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending and two landmark pieces of legislation passed within 18 months."

Quite a ridiculous statement. As proven by Bush's response to the financial crisis, McCain would have done almost exactly the same level of stimulous spending albiet with a higher proportion of it in tax cuts. Significant portions of the health care bill are former republican proposals and both health care and financial reforms bills will no doubt be total failures as neither of them are much more than window dressing. Obama is centre-right anywhere else in the world or in American itself 30 years ago. I think it's completely fair to question what he stands for, I mean first you'd have to see him get off his knees in front of the corporate cash. It can't only be Rahm wormtonguing him.
America got bait and switched very, very deftly.

Tax cuts would have been better, business like that, makes it easier to expand and that means hiring people
As far as the health care bill, Reagan even wanted that, but they didn't know how to make it work, neither did Obama, but it was pushed thru anyways

Vendzilla 07-15-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17339115)
Well...it is clear that you watch Fox News...as you repeat their talking points almost verbatim...and in my opinion both Fox and MSNBC are jokes...and I watch both as well as other networks.

Yes I saw the clip...and it was a stupid remark to make...for as I stated the bills were online for months...including revisions...as they were made.

I like Oreilly, watch him almost everyday, but I also watch GMA every morning. I get news alerts on my BB for all the networks, abc, msnbc, cnn, fox , ass.press and yahoo

theking 07-15-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17339261)
I like Oreilly, watch him almost everyday, but I also watch GMA every morning. I get news alerts on my BB for all the networks, abc, msnbc, cnn, fox , ass.press and yahoo

Well...I too make a point of watching Oreilly...as well as the fruitcake Glen Beck and the asshole Hannity...both of which make Oreilly look like a genius. I used to watch Greta but I can't stand her voice anymore so I only watch if she has a guest or subject that I am interested in. The only thing that Fox has that resembles a real news show is Sheppard's show. I get the most benefit out of watching the C-Span channels...all of which...except one I have to watch online...my fucking cable company stopped subscribing to all but one of them.

Vendzilla 07-15-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17339291)
Well...I too make a point of watching Oreilly...as well as the fruitcake Glen Beck and the asshole Hannity...both of which make Oreilly look like a genius. I used to watch Greta but I can't stand her voice anymore so I only watch if she has a guest or subject that I am interested in. The only thing that Fox has that resembles a real news show is Sheppard's show. I get the most benefit out of watching the C-Span channels...all of which...except one I have to watch online...my fucking cable company stopped subscribing to all but one of them.

Yeah I like Shepard, just the news, not too much opinion. Greta talks out the side of her mouth which bothers me, Glen Beck is all over the place, but he gets some info you won't hear anywhere else, I think everyone needs to listen to him once in a while, he must have one hell of a research team
Hannity is too pro GOP for me

theking 07-15-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17339299)
Yeah I like Shepard, just the news, not too much opinion. Greta talks out the side of her mouth which bothers me, Glen Beck is all over the place, but he gets some info you won't hear anywhere else, I think everyone needs to listen to him once in a while, he must have one hell of a research team
Hannity is too pro GOP for me

Glen Beck's show Founders Friday has had some interesting info about our founding fathers...that even as much as I have read about them I have learned some new things...and on those shows he appears to be almost sane.

NetHorse 07-15-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by poncabare (Post 17338135)
no way he is relected

He will defraud his way into reelection. Somehow or someway, this socialist marxist terrorist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

TheDoc 07-15-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17339327)
He will defraud his way into reelection. Somehow or someway, this socialist marxist terrorist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

If he does fraud his way in, the last President would be a great teacher. You forgot Satanic though, has to get his powers from some place.

NetHorse 07-15-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17339332)
If he does fraud his way in, the last President would be a great teacher. You forgot Satanic though, has to get his powers from some place.

Blame it on Bush, you're 100% correct. Whatever Obama does is OKAY, because Bush was "evil"..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :error

TheDoc 07-15-2010 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17339338)
Blame it on Bush, you're 100% correct. Whatever Obama does is OKAY, because Bush was "evil"..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :error

I simply stated a fact that Bush would be a good Teacher. Bush can't be blamed for something that he hasn't done, that isn't to say he hasn't done enough to be blamed for things though.

A person is responsible for the action they take. I learned to shoot a gun, no reason to blame the Marines if I shoot someone, it's the action one chooses to take that is evil or good.

dodger21 07-15-2010 11:05 PM

America can survive Obama.
It's the millions of idiots who voted him into office thats gonna be a problem


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