I didn't realize that Dwreck was banned.

I wasn't really taking sides, as I wasn't there when the turn of events which precipitated all of this happened, and I don't know either of you well. I've met Dwreck in passing at a few shows, and I don't believe that you and I have met.

I have enjoyed many posts that both of you have made in the past. Beyond that, I have no horse in this race.

If, in the heat of the moment, Dwreck said something inappropriately about a lost loved one of yours, then I can empathize, having lost four loved ones myself in recent months (which is why I have been absent from GFY until the last week or so - I'm still dealing with my emotions/grief/depression).

I've lost far more money in this industry due to unscrupulous/conniving people than you can imagine (probably over $50,000). I tend to let it go, since I believe if I obsessed about it for more than a few months, it would be costing me more in terms of time-money, and stress, than it was worth.

I guess I understand why Deej and others are responding as much as they are (since Dwreck no longer has a voice in this thread).

Anyway, I wish you and Dwreck, and everyone else in this thread, love and peace...

With this (my Cliff Notes about this thread), I bid you and this thread adieu:

ADG

Common sense has nothing to do with how one's portrayed on this board.

Borrowing $500 and not paying back is a scammer, plain and simple.

I wouldn't want a scammer to be a point of contact for my business.

not at all... i didnt say that, but there is no time limit without a contract. Thats why most states have a law instated that you cannot be imprisoned due to debt uncontracted, unless of course the debt is to the government. There are some ramifications in some instances, but sure as shit not this one. If Dwreck did say that each month, that would be irritating. you do have to remember though, This whole thing is your own stupid fucking fault. Do please admit some fault. Also remember Dwreck was unemployed during some of those months. Lip service sucks, but its what comes out of debts, right or wrong.






"in retrospect" up until you somewhat recanted your statement on him being a thief when someone else spoke out against your skewed story was grounds for your own banning and far worse than relaying personal conversations. Its right under calling someone a pedo.

For part of the time yes i believe he couldnt, the times he probably could pay you some probably would have pickled him. Maybe, maybe not. DO i see him snubbing his finger at you with wads in the air making it rain on hoes? absolutely not.

As i see it even in your own words, this was nowhere near a personal loan. If anything you LOan sharked him. You made a pretty dumb mistake in the name of a joke... which i personally dont believe, I think you just made a really dumb move then chalked it up to a mistake.You then Demand it back. Which you do have a right to, but Its all very weird which your brushing off any blame for.

I dont care that you outed him... He apparently had it coming with all the dodging... but again my point is your bullshit skewed story and victim tears when you did just as much if not more damage when this is all intiated, every step of the way, by you.

Tell me where my logic is off on any of that...

payday isn't till friday :Oh crap

shot in the dark... maybe a gambling problem. he went and used the $500 thinking he would win and then return it later that night. BUt instead lost it, and then just jet.

I never made it to San Francisco, maybe we can have a chat about rock n roll and guitars and stuff someday

Thanks

Totally agree, money is not what triggered this, but there's only a certain level where someone can fuck with me, and at that point I don't care if it's over $ 5 or over $5k

Money is not the reason here, manners are

I made the same mistake in the past, stood up for someone who I knew for years who turned out to be a scammer, lesson learned and I felt terrible afterwards

Thanks and stay strong

I'll just say that Dwreck hasnt asked me to post any of this and I havent even talked to him about it as he hasnt been online. Just in case people thought i was voicing for him. Everything Ive said is from me and from what ive read.

Ugh, this is extremely frustrating, I'm doing my very best to try and explain the concept to you and its just not working. There are no "small" amounts of bias, you either are or you aren't and by the very nature of your relationship with dwreck you have some and whether you are trying not to be is irrelevant. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion on the matter in this thread, I just took offense to your constant assertions that you were being unbiased. Oh well, lets just drop this.

ok we can slightly agree on this statement although I do feel there are variations of bias.

Perhaps I am "bias" since i know him... But so did Carlos just as much if not more. All that dosnt detract any level of facts within my words. Maybe im arguing the wrong word with you. But then again i dont think I am. I think you may be a little wrong and a little stubborn.

Either way... you do agree with what Ive said? or am I wrong? besides the biased statements :winkwink:

I didn't even notice he got banned until this page...

Few additional comments:

1) When you donate the 150$, please do so to some type of animal shelter/program; humans get enough help they don't appreciate already. (I practice what I preach, btw; I am volunteering my time this weekend to wash, walk and play with plenty of dogs at the animal shelter as well as bring them food, bowls and beddings).

2) This has absolutely nothing to do with his employer. As Abbie said, how he spends his money after he receives it is not their concern; unless it affects his job (ie. he blows it in a drunken binge and doesn't show up to work, or pawns his car and can't get to work, etc...)

Of course, if this kind of thing would start coming out more often, to the point where people do actually not want to work with the program if he is employed there, then I think it may matter. It's far from that point, though, IMO.

3) If Dwreck kept giving him dates to expect the money, whether it was legitimately owed or the result of drunken memories, he should have paid by those dates. Otherwise, as I said before, you simply tell him you don't believe you owe him the money - or that you really can't afford it right now and will try and pay when you are able. For this I definitely have to side with Carlos. Being strung along is amateur-hour.

I would like to think I have a skill for reading people I meet, and not knowing Carlos well but having met him a few times, he seems like an honest guy. I think he's letting his ego and rage get the better of him here though; typing with his emotions, not his head.

Regardless, Dwreck was in the wrong and for making another bad decision, banned. Not much more to say in this thread.

He was definitely employed between Jan 2008 and August 2008, if that's not enough for him to pay back $ 500 I have my very own thoughts about him, moreover if he had the guts to come over to me in August and give me back the rest of the loan all would be clear, yet he blew it on drinks and partying with girls, so I ended up chasing silly $ 150 for long months

He wasn't able to pay me in 28 months untill I called him out - how do you call that? A problematic lender?

He was definitely employed from Jan 2008 tilll Aug 2008 and he definitely bought himself a macbook two weeks ago, that's enough to know for me

You know, if someone promises to pay you and doesn't, I have no more sympathy, and if you call him fucking with me for 28 months "loan sharking" then I'm really out of arguments

If he lived around the block I'd get my money on the day HE promised to pay that, no excuses, but I'm not gonna fly to Toronto to chase him for beer money, so I was senteced to endless months of more and more bullshit and payment plans and macbooks sorry


Really? You seem to care

It's not a bullshit skewed story, he took my money, kept it, and was unable to pay back killing me with bullshit excuses

Quagmire added that I was joking with him, and I give him credit for that. But the day after he promised to pay me and was unable to do so for 28 months requesting a payment plan for $ 150 and buying a new macbook.

I don't know how do you feel, but the way I was raised, not paying someone, lying to someone and then even making a jackass from someone is a major insult and not something to laugh about.

He used a very personal information trying to ridicule me, you have a point Keith, but some things you never bring up in public, and I'm very ashamed of myself that I trusted him.

I'll prefer cancer research for my very personal reasons though, thanks for the suggestion.

I'm off for now.

You should try to collect on your debts especially if the person is still in business. The only debts I ever have given up on are the ones when the company is no longer in business like Ibill.

The way you handle your finances or lack of is really irrelevant. While you think you are posting something that makes you sound better than Carlos because you are owed so much and don't bother going after it, I think it makes you look worst than him for not trying to collect your money. GFY is a great debt collecting tool, more people get repaid by outing people here than any debt collection company or even lawsuits.

Carlos was one of the participants, you're a non involved third party, completely different. Yes I can be stubborn when I know I'm right, lets just agree that you're wrong and move on. :winkwink:

I completely agree with that and I do believe I tried to relay that... Im not with Dwreck every step of the way here...
I as well dont have sympathy... that of which is for drunken mistakes... people that skew stories in their favor ... people that dont accept their actions and blame others.

lets not repeat each other over and over instead lets just ask each other the LAST questions and be done with it.

Do you feel youre at fault for any of this?

Do you feel calling someone a thief is worse than posting personal info?

Were you drinking when you made this thread?

Was it really the principle or is that just sheep food?

I as well am stubborn when im right... So obviously youre wrong :winkwink:

Actually I'm just having fun not letting you go to bed.

Oh you have hours to test me there...

My previous good night statement was just an attempt to watch a movie or play nintendo. or layer PB on my balls for some perverted reason.

No, a loan is a loan, if I take money from someone I pay back, not sure why shouldn't he do the same, no matter how you take the money

I've stated my reason why I called him a thief - unable to pay back in 28 months fucking with me and he admitted that

Nope. I've been completely sober through Jan - Aug 2010 while I also made my 90 days intense fitness program

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=966887

and I have a drink here and then with friends over the weekend from that time on, all of that which was strictly my decision. Planning to switch to tea drinking again in September as I plan to return to boxing after 9 years.

His under the belt personal remark probably made me overly emotional, but some things you don't touch.

Call it any way you want, but I got seriously offended by the "$150 payment plan" and "buying a new macbook" and of course no money on account

Enough is enough, how long would you wait? Another 30 months of constant "communication"?

Now I really need to go.

Haha, well I'll stop posting and let you get to the PB asap.

You didnt answer my first qeustion, but i know the answer so no need...

I dont really consider this "transaction" a loan... he did in the end owe you money... but I sure as fuck wouldnt consider it a loan.

Ive agreed with you one the payment plan thing.

Right on for the health and I too feel for your and anyone's loss. Not to be fucked with. Though, what was said was more about your state of mind rather than fucking with your kin.

I have, am and most likely will wait for debt that far exceed yours. I dont have them public and im also not the one that made the whole thing a problem in the first place... well besides doing my work.

If and when I lay my story out, calling the person(s) out... I will lay it out as it is... Not whats in favor of my personal outcome. I always admit my faults within confrontation.

YOu cant seem to.

Have a good night dude. No hard feelings.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WchpzmtYIHg :2 cents:

I agree with this as well... I dont disagree with "Making" this thread... just be forthright about the whole thing.

Last statement as i just went and picked out the extra chunky...

I wonder how many people Carlos told this story to and told them that Dwreck straight up stole that chip from him and just heard in this thread just now that it didnt go down like that at all, in fact the chip was pushed at dwreck 3 times...

How much bullshit has been said behind the scenes over a fabricated story?

Damn let it rest.

It's black and white that he took $500 and hasn't yet repaid it, despite it being 2 years.

You obviously didnt read the thread...

Yes, I did.

Who gives a shit about the backstory.

The dude took $500, whether it was "given" to him or he just took it, it need not matter. Fact is, Derick admitted he owed the $500, which is reason why he already paid $350 of it.

This shit is black and white. If he didn't owe anything, he wouldn't have paid anything.

the backstory does matter... how it played out here matters... he has eliminated the debt all together if you didnt catch it all...

my only issue is the painting of him being a run by thieving scammer rather than a mutual victim from a retarded drunken mistake on both parts.

it amazes and baffles me that so many people dont read all of ones words before trying to counteract their words with their own.

you have a valid point in the end... but your belittlement is off...

thats really cool, i like you. :thumbsup

What answer do you know? Tell me?

What evidence do you have?

The only thing I know is that you have Dwreck in your avatar and try to tell me that he didn't "took from me" $ 500 which he wasn't able to give me back although I was playing back and forth with him and I've heard myriads of bullshit excuses.


If you have my money and I want you to pay back - how do you call it?


Not me, no one will be taking my money and fuck with me, as I said if he didn't fuck with me for 28 months I'd never bring this to the boards, if he paid everything that was oustanding in Florida at the same venue where I got my first $ 350 nothing would go wrong, I'd eat it, that's what a regular folk would do if he owes money

But I'm totally sick of jokers that wear Prada trousers and then tell you they need a "payment plan" for $ 150

Sorry

What didn't I admit, tell me what I don't know?

Search the thread and tell me what I didn't admit, I've even admitted Quagmire's addition to the story that I didn't remember, it's totally irrelevant though, someone ended up with my money, promising to pay back, unable to pay back for 28 months, fucking me left and right, needing a "payment plan" for $ 150 and at the end even trying to insult me in the worst and creepiest possible way

It's exactly four people, one knowing him very well, one not in the business anymore, and two very close friends.

And what exactly did I fabricate? Tell me?

Holy shit! A mutual victim!

Oh Poor Derek ended up with $ 500 that belonged to someone he knew two years prior and who was drunk, he took those chips in the first place, then fleed to the airport, what's more - poor Derek was forced to give it back!

Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to send the money overseas, Paypal is too complicated for a blackbelt in Webcams, so poor Derek had to wait eight months till August until I fly personally over to Florida so he can graciously give me back some of those money that he held in such a grief he couldn't repay it to me during those 8 months, and he couldn't pay the rest to me cause that would be too much money.

And the rest - even in two years he couldn't repay it to me,

Poor Derek needed a payment plan for $ 150 so he could pay his rent and even afterwards wasn't the same poor Derek able to send me the money.

Yes, that's a true victim, I bet he had to borrow that $ 150 from his grandmother so he could send it to me yesterday, or he would have to take his new MacBook to a pawnbroker.

And yes, I feel bad for joking with him, that's what you shouldn't do with people that have no problems taking money that don't belong to them and that have major problems paying back.

congrats to the losers.

See, now you're just being a douchebag who is clearly off his meds.

Fled to the airport? Yeah Carlos, you caught Derek in his scam. He grabbed your $500 chip, ran to his room, quickly packed his bags and caught a cab to the airport so he could get the next available flight back to Toronto.

You got paid yesterday, and yet you keep coming back in to the thread trying to make him look worse by making stupid flipant comments. It stopped being about principle once you got paid.

You were both (extremely) drunk at the time of the incident, so man up and take responsibility for your involvement in the situation. Quit being a dick and move on with life. :2 cents:

Hey! CarlosTheGaucho...
 

trolling someone banned is gay.

Holy Christ you should all just shut up and move on.

+1

Carlos, you need to be a bit less verbose. You don't have to reply to every paragraph that someone posts, especially if they (or you) have already said the same thing 5 times. Just sit back for a while... :thumbsup :pimp

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