this thread can be offcially closed now :2 cents:

you are showing yourself to be as much a loser and bum as dwreck at this point.

i bet a lot more attention could be received for more money in many different fields.

oh boy, the baller days are over now arent they. the real ballers aint using their real names here anymore. survival of the fittest.

HAHA I got that shirt.

Fuck this thread is stupid in sooo many fucking ways :Oh crap

obviously not :1orglaugh!!! glad you got your money though carlos.

Slow down man.

Ok sorry for getting emotional, that guy touched something you never do. He touched my mother.

No one of you can relate to that I suppose.

Quit being a dick? You think it's funny to fuck with someone's money, pride and even family?

Ok I'll get over it. I don't want to see that joker again though, I don't think he wants to see me neither.

I apologize for being rude.

I'd like to close this thread with a short resume:

Here's what happened, an updated story:

Vegas January 15 2008

I'm gambling, cashing out $ 1200

Derek comes over, grabs a $ 500 chip from my hand palm, I'm checking him out and I don't think it's funny

He's doing those silly grims and I'm joking that he can "keep it", he knows me for two years, but he might as well know that I'm pranking people all the time, he might as well know that it's not a good idea to keep other people's money, before I cash the $ 700 I'm looking around the casino but he's gone, gone with my $ 500. Over here, if someone would tell it to you it means "do you really think you can touch my money?"

After a while I'm looking for him and he's nowhere to find, I can't get in touch with him,
next morning around 11 AM I call his cell number to find out he's on a plane to Toronto

He promises me he'll pay back once he's back.

I'm back on January 19th and hitting him up on ICQ, asking if he can send it over to my paypal

His excuses:

- can't use corporate account
- doesn't have his own account
- has to wait till another pay period is over

etc. etc.

If you really want I can still find countless ICQ logs how he makes up one excuse after another for 8 months.

We're repeating this routine up until August where I tell him that I'm going to Florida so he's telling me that we'll catch up

August 2008 Hollywood Florida, the second day of the show we bump on each other and I'm saying hello what's up, didn't you forget about me I'm smiling I'm easy. So he gives me $ 350, I don't want to bother him for the rest of the show but of course I expect that he'll come over and pay the rest, he doesn't.

So I fly back work on some things and say this is not a priority, that I don't need to chase him down like crazy for $150, since it's a beer money. I'm trying to hit him up like three or four maybe five times in the meantime, every two or three months or so, after a couple months, so I don't scare him off, but he doesn't reply at all, so I'm saying don't sweat it guy is ok he's gonna pay you.

early 2010 I'm going through my Excel spreadsheed putting down contacts and sums owed, his money is the last priority, last priority since it's a personal money and not business money, I'm trying to hit him up in the meantime yet he doesn't respond

He finally responds in June 2010 as he probably forgot about it already, so I have this ICQ convo and telling him that $ 150 is not exactly a huge sum of money but we should make it clear.

Once again, I've made good money between 2005 - 2009, and continue to do ok in 2010, not exactly a super baller like most of GFY, but $ 500 has never been a question of life and death, yet I have this Jewish mentality and I won't let anyone yank with my money.

He Agrees once again and comes up with a "payment plan" - I agree (as in the ICQ log) but I tell to myself this guy was giving me bullshit excuses for long months and then he didn't even bother to reply to me for long months so I tell to myself ok he might be in trouble let's take it easy.

All of a sudden I see him buying himself new Macbook and whatever while the money are NOT on the account.

So after 28 months when he's unable to pay back and obviously lying to me, I decide to come to the boards, no regret.

That's the last straw, enough is enough, I make this thread, whereas he:

- immediately uses every personal information I ever told him to insult me
- admits he owes me money from Jan 2008
- pays me $ 150 that he wasn't able to send to me between August 2008 till July 2010 on the same day which just says something about his attitude to paying debts

I admit I've over reacted, and I apologize for that, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but his remark regarding someone that was the most important person in the world for me just triggered me and sorry, as impotent as it is I just overreacted on a message board. He wanted to irritate me and he touched my Achilles stand.

If I could I'd flush those money down the toilet but I'll rather donate them to cancer research, so this whole hassle has some sort of benefit for someone.

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Carry on... :1orglaugh

ADG

yeah we get it.

Come on Carlos, just drop it, everything you just said has already been rehashed throughout the thread.

Don't shoot the messanger. I really don't care about this thread.

Apparently "I can't believe Carlos, the guy gives me 500 since he made money, he was drunk and even though i kept telling him no repeatedly he said that he would be pissed if i didn't take it! So i took it and then ended up losing it on the tables"

:thumbsup

Dwreck?.

completely amazing Carlos... YUou are still so fucking innocent...

You look far worse in this thread IMO than dwreck now since youre obviously overly bitter and completely irrational while trying to sideskirt your own faults in this incident.

Madalton... I completely respect you dude. It was great to actually meet face to face and bullshit in PHX last year... but tell me why it should be closed? Because your friend now looks like a douche for not standing up to HIS mistake as well?

Answer this honestly... when quagmire posted his side of what happened... did your whole outlook on the incident change at least a little? Its not the fucking same at all when you find out the chip was pushed onto dwreck is it?

Also he may have touched on your family and im sure that hits a point... but you have to realize that it wasnt your fmaily he poked at but your state of mind and that is all personal to you which only you can fret about...

You however came here to our industry where we all eat and sleep and called one of our colleagues a run by, fly by night, thief. YOu can backpeddle all you want. You did that. You DID recant it, but had you not your banning im sure would have been more swift...

Is Carlos not in this industry?

as far as I know he still is :2 cents:

come on sly, you understand my point and the severity of the comparison...

Dude gave a chip to someone in a drunken stupor. Its not unheard of. Drunk gets up the next morning and starts thinking jesus that was stupid.

demands it back after giving it away and then turns into a complete sissy fucking bitch about it without accepting any blame at all...

Carlos, youre hiding behind fallacies and booze.

You are to blame for this ever happeneing yet you wont accept any of that.

Im done here because i guess my only mission was to get you to admit your bullshit but your obviously not going to.

I may be going on and on, but atleast im keeping it real and not being a lying fucking sissy.

Adapt or die?

OK so what happened here ??? Can someone start over from the beginning and explain it all to me???


:1orglaugh j/k

Holy crap - we just need TheDoc and Giddeon in here to make this thread even longer.

I was in Vegas at that time, unfortunately not present at that incident. if it is correct that Carlos has pushed the chip at Derek and refused to take it back, then his drunken ass should have cost him $500 - no doubt. We all make stupid mistakes when being drunk that cost a lot of money sometimes, i could list a few of mine as well (it mostly revolves around strip clubs). And I know Quagmire and have no reason to believe he makes stuff up.

From my point of view it just looks a little different: no matter how the chip changed ownership, Derek had agreed to return the money. Which would be very generous if Carlos really refused to take it back in his drunken stupor.

But now we have a completely new situation - now we have someone who promised over the course of 2 years payment multiple times and never kept his word. Who wanted to make a payment plan for $150 and did not keep another promised payment of $50 on the 16th. And this is from my point of view not acceptable.

But never in this process, at least not to my knowledge, Derek has indicated that he thought that this money was given to him as present and that he thought that he could keep it. If that would have been thrown into discussion, I probably would have suggested a 50/50 and everyone get over it.

But promising payment and not keeping the promises is what got me annoyed.

I hope that cleares that up.

Well it dosnt clear things up, but sure do appreciate you actually reading my words and answering them honestly.

I am just now talking to Derek about this for the first time. His story does not go like posted by OP.

it goes right with Quagmire's story...

"He put the chip in my hand" "refused to take it back" "He GAVE it to me, I lost it"

Thats vegas. But then you introduce a drunken jew and you get bullshit stories.

The lies alone within this thread are enough to call the debt moot. The truth is even far more deafening to the lies posted.

There is only one person suffering for this. Carlos may had to have "chase" his money... but ITS HIS FAULT.

Id be pissed if someone gave me something and then renigged on that and then called me a fucking thief to my colleagues. Dwreck just wants people to know its not at all like that. Although he dosnt have to make shit up to tell his side... he cant do that here.

MaDalton +2 Respect
Carlos -5 respect

I'm here in spirit... Giddeon would be here if he was in the Industry :thumbsup

Just because Derek admitted to needing to pay him back does not make it a whole new situation either.. It makes this whole thing "special circumstances"

The way the chip was received totally matters.

The only reason Dwreck said yea ill give it back and pay you back is because IT WAS FUCKING DWRECK and anyone that knows this industry knows that.

Picture Carlos pulling this with wiseman or AaronM or really anyone else.

They would all say fuck you you drunk fucker! Nor do I think Carlos would even have gone about this at all the same had it not been Dwreck.

it was amove ABOUT the money and had absolutely nothing to do with principle. Bottom fucking line!

Sorry but that sounds like bullshit, I don't recall early in this thread dwreck saying he lost the chip. Also, if it truly did happen like that, why would dwreck agree to pay him back?

If dwreck was too scared to stand up for what he thought was right then he's got no one else to blame but himself. If dwreck truly didn't want the chip all he had to do was walk over and put it in Carlos pocket. Also, if it went down that way, why was there no mention of that in any of their icq conversations, you'd at least think dwreck would mention it.

your logic goes right along with ... If carlos was too drunk to know what he was doing (which is backed up by a witness) and gave a chip to someone... then he serves the loss...

It actually has more logci in it than yours...

who dosnt want a 500 chip when given.

Get over it... youre arguing the wrong fact for the sake of arguing...

Its all in your avatar ;)

Good black jack play could have turned this sob story upside down... shame on everyone who sucks at gambling and cannot hold there lick her

How does that sound liek bullshit when its not refutted but when the OP posts his story and someone comes in and says it wasnt liek that at all, that was there, how does that not sound like bullshit...

I think you just like how I look...

I tend to agree with you and I mean no disrespect but who died and made you head gfy donations consulting specialist.

It sounds like bullshit because at no time in this thread did dwreck mentioned that he lost the chip in any of the icq conversations nor in his posts here, you only managed to pull it out of your ass on page 7.

Lol at my logic, you're the one who keeps up with the, "its motherfucking dwreck" bs as the reason he didn't stand up for himself. I dropped this thread and I thought you were last night, but you've managed to continue dragging it along for another page and keeping it at the top of gfy. I'm sure its embarrassing dwreck and he'd wish it would just go away.

IM going solely on words here in this thread from people on that specific quote. Dwreck himself did not actually say that he lost the chip, waiting on a reply from him now. It was said previous in quotes from him. which sounds plausible. If not Ill recant that specific quote. But in our conversation so far he HAS said to me that Carlos put the chip in his hands and refused it back. Our whole conversation hasnt been about this thread but also new ongoings in life. I also assume were both working.

He never really had a chance to sauy his side here has he... the one chance he got... well he fucked that one up didnt he. Chose to post the wrong thing.

I just wonder why youre not calling the obvious bullshit out when its in plain sight.

I asked him that very question before continuin to post... he told me he appreciates that I stood up for him. He cant even view gfy right now so he has no idea whats being said.

He told me that this is a big misunderstanding and surprised with Carlos. He feels hurt that it went like this.

the "its mother fucking dwreck" spew isnt bullshit... did I say he has a get out of jail free card? no... I said hes not the fucking thief that carlos continually says he is ... and that Carlos IS a liar and that Carlos DID make this thread about the money and absolutely nothing about principle because he completely lacks that.

He did not lose the chip at tables... So that portion i am wrong and mislead earlier about.

Apparently Dwreck dosnt gamble at all.

Dwreck did tell me his side and its a bit off from Carlos'

Ive said my peace here and I hope anyone that gives a fuck gets both sides before taking drunken half truths for facts on a persons reputation.

Got some Brats to burn...