I grew up in Camarillo California, Cinco De Mayo is bigger than the 4th of July
But they use it to gain citizenship thru anchor babies, $10k per birth for a normal delivery with estimated 5 million anchor babies in this country, do the math
They get free lunches, extra teachers that are bilingual, cutting into the budget of your kids, California schools suck, I know I raised my daughter in the system
The problem is the gangs that form from them in sanctuary cities like LA, drug cartels sending illegal aliens to national forests growing pot and running meth labs, do you know the damage they are doing to our national forests? I got some miner friends, they stumble across that all the time
Not legally they don't, they pay into SSN accounts that's not theirs, and send most of the money they make back to Mexico via western union, yeah that's great for our economy, FAIL
Again, I grew around Mexicans, learned Spanish in the 6th grade, great food, bad music, I don't judge people by their skin color, but their actions.
We just need to build a wall, then sort out the criminal ones and for the ones that truly here for a better LEGAL life, they can have the opportunity to earn citizenship

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In Hawaii, the King's birthday is bigger than Christmas.

I'm confused. I thought you wanted them to be legal citizens. What difference does it make how they become legal, as long as they become legal? As I have understood our many debates on this, I was under the impression that legality was the final goal. Is it not? Must they bring $$$$ or go through some tortuous process to prove their love for America? What more do you ask other than legality?

Many jobs have linguistic requirements. Teachers aren't special. Free lunches? Well, I'll tell you what.... one illegal Mexican kid is entitled to a full school system lunch every day that he's there because I never once ate the "free" lunch that the schools provided for us. So there, I've done my part and made my sacrifice toward the greater good already.

Yeah, I've seen the shows too. But every illegal alien does not become a drug gangster. That's absurd. That's like saying every black is a thug gangbanger.

Don't forget, we are benefiting from that money. Also don't forget everything that they buy, and the sales tax they pay, and in many cases even IRS taxes.... that we all benefit from. Many of them are paying into the system, whether it's their real name or not. So how can you deny those people medical care or school for their kids? Are you that heartless over what amounts to a paper legality issue?


I'm still on the fence, no pun intended. I'm really neither for or against putting up a wall. On the one hand, it would work. On the other, there's something very disturbing to me about living behind a wall. I was serving in Germany from 88-90 when the wall came down. So the idea of putting one up here really bothers me.

Who are you, exactly?

I'll be honest...I would very much enjoy the day that I see Hispanic people and not know whether they are illegal aliens or not and know that a significant percentage of them probably are illegal (given I'm in San Diego). As it is, there are a few dozen Hispanic people that hang out at the street corner by where I live, basically there to be picked up to do jobs for people. I've never gone up to talk to them or anything so I have no idea if they're legal or not, but what I'm saying is I'd love the day when I can actually assume they ARE legal because there'd be so few ILLEGAL immigrants. I'm sure police would love that day too. Unless something is done, that day isn't going to come. If Mexico could somehow fix the problem, that would be the best solution, but everyone knows they never will, so it's up to the US to fix it. The federal government clearly isn't bothered enough to fix it, so AZ is trying to do what is in their power to at least fix the issue for their state. It won't fix the national problem obviously because they'll spill over into other states, but that's not AZ's concern nor should it be. They are elected to look out for the state's best interests, and their best interest is to stop making all the low-lower middle class people poorer through paying for a bunch of people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

Yes, there's a slim chance that a legal Hispanic citizen gets profiled and stopped by police for some bullshit reason (which already happens to Hispanics, blacks, etc. as you know) and asked for their ID (which already would happen in those cases, only now they can ask for passport), and there's a slim chance after that AZ law going into effect that a legal Hispanic citizen there (who BTW is more than likely already well aware of the legal system having had to jump through many hoops to legally get in this country), would somehow not think to have their passport/ID on them, get arrested until they're found to be legal and then released. Then there's a slim chance that despite likely being aware that they should have been carrying their ID on them to prevent this situation, they sue.

There's also many circumstances in which doctors could face lawsuits for medical malpractice for suggesting a medical procedure that had a chance of failure and failed, and probably a bunch of other cases of such legal issues that people in many professions, companies, and the government all deal with. So should everyone just not do anything to solve problems in fear of possibility of lawsuits?

I understand the whole slippery slope argument against this, but I just don't know if this will cause any more racial profiling against Hispanics in AZ than what already exists, only now if they're found to be illegal, they'll get deported, and if they were legal and for whatever reason after a law is passed requiring them to carry ID they didn't, then they'll be detained until they're found to be legal and then released. I mean no innocent people have ever been detained for anything before this law passed...never!

As it is, I and everyone else have to carry my driver's license when I'm driving about. I've memorized the number and once a few years ago, I got stopped by a cop because my tags weren't up to date (was still waiting for them in the mail) and I didn't have my license but gave him my license #. Hey guess what? I got a ticket for not having my license on me! Young white male getting a ticket for not having ID even though I had proof of who I was and that I could legally drive...it happens!

6 years later and I'm still amazed at the conservative idiots permeating the ADULT PORN INDUSTRY. You guys are silly on so many levels. Are you all waiting in line for the fruit picking jobs or something?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no but there can be programs put into place like giving the high school students friday off to earn some cash. or maybe college students they show up at the school and are bused to the locations ill be submitting some ideas to my local congressman. :) and this will include normal citizens that have valid identification. "i have a dream" M.L.K. Americans i have faith in. :)

I don't know. I'm no expert. Maybe they really are all criminals and drug mules and gangsters. Just seems more plausible to me that what's going on is not one problem, but two.

Problem Group #1: What we'll call "legitimate" illegals. People that have nothing but the clothes on their backs, crossing over hoping to survive and get a $2 buck per day job somewhere. Maybe over time he assumes the identity of a dead guy or something (yes, illegally. There's no way to legally assume the identity of someone else). He pays taxes and social security (under someone else's name, again illegally since there's no way to legally do that), raises a family, shops at Target, buys cars, tv, clothing, groceries, etc.. These are the people accused of "draining" the system, when in reality they are doing exactly what they'd be doing if they had "LEGAL" stamped on their foreheads.

Problem Group #2: The Drug War. People from PG1 getting caught up in it, forced to mule over the border, or wind up working for them.


Solution To PG1: Fix Mexico from the top down. Make the legal immigration process so that actual humans have a chance at it, not just a select privileged few. Set up some sort of asylum/embassy collection points down in the heavily troubled border areas to screen & deal with people trying to escape that shit from Mexico. (because it's OUR border, that makes it OUR problem.) Give them some sort of opportunity or process to become legal, right there, on the spot as well as consequences for any documented criminals they come across. Give the ones already living and working here, the ones that are very obviously established who have children who have never known any other home, some way to become legal without fear of deportation for exposing themselves.

Solution To PG2: End prohibition. Fence and arm the entire border.


Like I said, I don't know. Maybe Arizona just needs to Man-up and stop whining so much. I mean, CA NM & TX border Mexico too. But the only one we ever hear crying is Arizona.

I remember, I lived there for 3 years while in the Navy

Two wrongs don't make a right, they are doing that just to stay here, that's the wrong approach
But they are far out numbering the lunches you didn't eat, they are a burden on the school system, this is why the president wants charter schools, the public system isn't working welll
Never said they did, but getting rid of just the ones that are breaking the law, like the Arizona law will do, will solve a lot of the criminal problem created by illegals

I'll bet for every $100 dollars they spend on taxes, they cost $1000.
I don't think we can get rid of the ones already here, we need to stop the flow, then deal with the ones here


That wall was in the middle of the city, they still have a gate you have to show papers at don't they?
Think of the people that they would put to work building it, better yet, after heavily patrolling the border, have illegal aliens work on it at good wages towards earning citizenship

My all time favorite news story is every 6 months or so when they figure out some Border Patrol guy is actually an illegal.

For every 100 people who whine about Mexicans "stealing jobs" and "being illegals" and uhhhmmm "playing music too loud"....

We get 1 person explaining that they come for jobs, given out by... drumroll... Americans.

And another 1 person explaining that someone on welfare who could be working "drains the system" of waaaaay more than an illegal immigrant WORKING to make money.

Maybe one more explaining how many under the table jobs there are, for anyone, citizen or not.. Given out by... Americans!

Or how many receipts don't get counted for.. I bet every fucking one of you will line up for quick sale no receipt discounts if the price is right.. No? Have you ever bought a stolen good before? If your friend bought some "illegal" jeans.. would you "rat them out" to the IRS?

Have you paid taxes every time you sold anything? I mean really?

You all cheat and rob the system any time you can. It just sucks when SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT.

Someone should remind you that your country is just over 200 years old! You fucking twats.. EVERY ONE OF YOU is a fucking immigrant. If you found out your great great great grandpa didn't file the right paperwork back in the day... Do you care? Even a little bit? Would you still consider yourself Americans, like the paper didn't matter?

Its interesting when porno people want state laws to over ride federal.

I don't see the problem with racial profiling tbh even if it is illegal. Not allowing racial profiling is just some liberal tree hugger bullshit they thought up while taking a magical unicorn ride in nevernever land.

Racial profiling is a fantastic law enforcement tool. Same with the nationality profiling we do here with affiliate programs. Some countries are banned outright because the risks are too high. Does that mean all people from those countries are scammers, of course not, but a higher proportion of them are and as a result they are put under more scrutiny.

I knew I agreed with you on a lot of shit but couldn't remember what. You just reminded me. :upsidedow

Douche bag white neighbors don't run drop houses. :2 cents:

Most of the twats in the US are legal immigrants. No one has the right to enter this country illegally, drive without a license, insurance, steal social security numbers, have fake ID's, get free medical care at the hospital, have their kids in English as a second language classes, etc. There are a lot of problems caused by illegal aliens. I am also not sure why people keep talking about this law being aimed at Mexicans or Hispanics. It is aimed at anyone that is here illegally.

Have you even read 1070? There's nowhere in the text that even mentions "Hispanic" or "Mexico". It will apply to anybody whether you're white, asian, black, brown, or red.

Evil = Following the law? If someone gets busted for doing 80mph in a 65mph zone, do you feel sorry for them and bitch & whine about the speed laws?

Yay, someone else that isn't a complete piece of shit. The people bitching may as well call them sun hahahahahahas since that's what they really mean.

There are far easier ways to limit the number of illegals coming across the borders.

1. In the late 60s I saw the border between Czech and Austria. I saw it's remains again in the late 90s. It was a km wide "no mans" land type border with barbed wire fences on both sides and traps to stop cars or lorries from busting across. It also had machine gun towers with guards. Later learned a lot of it was mined and had motion sensors. If the poor Eastern Europeans could do it why can't the US?

It stopped most from getting across. I've seen the border between CA and Mexico, it does not compare. This type of border will also reduce a lot of drugs being smuggled across.

2. The incentive to come across is economic. They want work. So penalise anyone giving them work. People employing illegals as maids, gardeners, field hands, laborers or is any other capacity. Fine them heavily or/and imprisonment. Fines should be enough to fund the border control police. You may have to pay more for your produce or labor to pay for the higher labor costs, but it will deter more form employing them.

3. Anyone in a country illegally has no right to any social benefits. No hospital, welfare, eduction etc.

4. Anchor babies can go back with their parents or be adopted. The choice is with the parents.

Uh technically they are immigrants too.. :-)

No, they run meth labs.

Yes, I'm certain the AZ police will be asking white & black people to prove their citizenship. Because, you know.... the cops are so fair & balanced, just like Fox News.

is not adding a new law, it's a state law enforcing federal ones

By asking for a drivers license? Or State ID?
And if you want to see all the news, you have to watch Fox, other networks don't report things that are negative to the president if they can help it

You don't know what an immigrant is.

I was born in the USA from parents who were born in the USA who's parents were born in the USA.

We are decedents from people that immigrated to what is now the USA.

That doesn't make me or my parents or my grandparents immigrants.

Fox is the TV version of the Weekly World News. I'm waiting for O'Reilly to run the Bat Boy story.

Yes, and do you think, let's say there's a group of blacks hanging out on some street corner. They aren't driving and they aren't carrying ID. Will they be arrested and deported for not being able to prove they are here legally? No.

A bunch of white guys hanging out talking outside Home Depot. Will they be questioned and asked to prove their citizenship? Not likely. Will they be arrested if they don't have it? Not likely.

A second group (Hispanics) 30 feet away... will they be asked to prove their citizenship? Probably. Will they be arrested if they don't have it? Probably.

LOL, go away.

Bash Fox all you want, they are number one for a reason, they report the stuff MSNBC won't


Have you ever been asked for an ID from a cop?

is this the extent of your input to this thread or are you just being an asshole?

They are #1 because America is full of conservative idiots that are scared of their own shadows. They lie, they make up stories, they hate black people and hillbillies love them.

Fox News does not reflect real life. Only an idiot would think it did. Only a bigger idiot would be a Fox News watching porn promoter. :1orglaugh

More than a few times. Sometimes I gave it to them, sometimes I didn't. The times that I didn't did not lead to me being arrested until I could prove my citizenship.

time for rough justice! 4 days!

OK, ASSHOLE, you want to call me names, lets dance shit for brains
WTF does porn have to do with it?
I would rather watch Fox knowing that MSNBC won't show any news that shows the president in a bad light, it's been well known that most all news outlets are liberal, and that's fine, but one conservative new organization comes up and ASSHOLES like you play the fucking race card, show me where you fucking troll?
You're just one of the shit for brains liberals that have nothing left because your fucking leader BARRY is so fucked up he can't lead the country without bashing conservatives, without bashing voters in Arizona, without bashing a white cop because he had the nerve to arrest a black teacher, remember the Beer summit?
You calling them racist shows me that your a low level racist yourself, you think that when all else fails, you aways have the racist card, well a big FUCK YOU.
The country is fucked up and the NAACP is condemning people like Shirley Sherrod because of a blog posting of an edited tape of her speech, a tape that the NAACP owned. Then getting fired over fears of what Glenn Beck is going to say. The story came up on fox after she was even fired.

And why did Obamanation try censorship of the news with Fox? And you think any censorship is good when you work in this business, if you do, you're fucking retarded!

and they asked for it because of the color of your skin?

I've been asked too many times, by law, you don't have to show it to them unless you are driving a car or trying to get into a bar or buying liquor or getting arrested I think, but they can just fingerprint you and get your ID that way

Actually, MSNBC has been criticizing the Obama admin quite aggressively lately.

Just call him a hahahahahaha and get it out of your system already.

The media being liberal is a lie perpetuated by conservatives and Fox News. In fact, the complete opposite is true and this is an issue that has already been hashed out in detail many times.

Obama and anyone else with a brain should stay the hell away from Fox News. They should lose their access to the White House and it has fuck all to do with censorship. They have started and ran with multiple false stories without any assistance from the outside world. Organizations posing as news organizations should not be allowed access to Obama just so they can ignore facts and make up more lies. If the fact that 99% of their commentary is proven incorrect isn't a tip off to you then the fact that they sued for the right to lie (and won) should.

Again, it takes an actual idiot to believe anything on Fox News. But hey, it's not your fault. It's also proven that conservatives have an irrational fear of damn near everything and they literally believe the bullshit they spew. This doesn't mean I'm going to watch you blatantly lie and let it slip. Imagine that this post is for others that might read this thread and not you.

The funny part is that Bush got a free pass on everything from everyone. The same people freaking out about Obama doing anything are the ones that had their mouths shut when Bush was doing something 100 times worse. :1orglaugh

And for those curios about his claim that Fox News didn't even touch the Sherrod story until she was fired, more conservative lies from a simple mind.

Here is the timeline, same way these things always play out.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007220004

If you don't want to follow American laws, go fucking home:321GFY

They were not given a choice because of dropping ratings, that is how they make their money
Where are you pulling this 99%, out of your ass? You have to take all the news with a grain of salt, you think that the liberal press is any better than the conservative press? You'll have to back that up.

Bush got a free pass? Are you fucking high? I guess you didn't see all the commentary on the Iraqi and Afghanistan war? The liberal press hammered the shit out of him during his presidency, but he never singled liberal press, the only guy that did that was Barry

Fox Nation linked to Breitbart's Big Government piece, thats hardly reporting on it

I find it funny that the NAACP bashed them for their taping of it and that a government official fired her because of what Glenn Beck might say. All knee jerk reactions because they are playing politics with Fox news

OK, prove it
100 times worse?
spending?
sending troops?
Jobs?
Economy?
The US is in a shit storm, I want facts of what you are saying
Please enlighten us

Now it's not Bush that sent us into a downward spiral? Oh you monkeys have such short memories.

You do know that it was BUSH that was President for the bailout right? You know, the one that was done to stop the world from assploding?

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Oh yeah, lets all blame everything on Bush, is that the best you have? you really are an ignorant troll
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You are quite literally insane. The economy is blamed on Bush because he is the one that blew the motherfucker up. It will be years before everything recovers, everyone with half a brain is aware of this. Obama isn't perfect but he's doing OK and he's 1000 times better than that fucking retard you worship.

I didn't like Bush, because he was a GOP, not a conservative, maybe you should google what being conservative is and get a fucking clue you moron

Obamanomics is based solely on Keynesian economics, which most economics blame for the great depression lasting so long

John Maynard Keynes was one of the first economists to advocate government deficit spending as part of the fiscal policy response to an economic contraction. In Keynesian economics, increased government spending is thought to raise aggregate demand and increase consumption.

Classical economists and Austrian economists, however, believe that increased government spending exacerbates an economic contraction by shifting resources from the private sector, which they consider productive, to the public sector, which they consider unproductive. According to Austrian economists, the reason the Great Depression lasted as long as it did was because of significant government spending and government regulation of the economy.




Maybe if you had HALF a FUCKING brain, you would understand how fucked this president is.





You're one of thses people that will dig thru a pile of horse shit looking for a pony, just what Obama needs in the Obamanation, no matter how shitty things get, we can still blame it on Bush, what a fucking MORON!

fixing the economy isnt instant it will take a while.

You copied and pasted an entry from Wikipedia word for word and you are telling someone to get half a brain?

Hahahahahhahaha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending

Have YOU even read 1070, you boob?

The law specifically mentions legal ethnic profiling for purposes of immigration enforcement. It will apply to Mexicans only.

"In stark contrast to the prohibited use of race profiling in criminal law enforcement, the U.S. Supreme Court stated in 1975 that "Mexican appearance" constitutes a legitimate consideration under the Fourth Amendment for stopping a person to verify his or her immigration status. (See United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 886-87 (1975).) "