The good, honest ones... the workers... will most likely leave. Many already have. So what Arizona will be left with are the ones that have a vested financial interest in staying. The drug runners, gangs, thieves, killers and other nefarious criminals.

Congratulations. A real step forward there.

The honest ones??? You do realize the honest immigrants go thru the proper channels and become legal citizens. If they came here illegally they started there stay here on a dishonest note, what else are they willing to do to make money? Again just another dumb really really dumb comment. Oh and BTW the drug runners also like the path of least resistance.... Since Cali dont like our law, Cali can have all the illegals you guys deal with it LOL.

we are just removing the get pass the border and your safe. we are attacking the problem in the roots now. :) the feds can look the other way. utah has an overflow of illegals. they had to have a special session. its time to put pressure on obama. :2 cents:

And please do remember we arent a fucked up country. If you are cuban and you make it to land you are a refuge and will not be deported, this is b/c cuba is FUCKED up. Mexico isnt fucked up they are just poor and stupid. SO there for there people are not refuges, they are ILLEGAL!!!

LOL. I don't know about that. Mexico is pretty fucked up. Cuba? No. But I really don't blame people for wanting to come here. I do however want them to be properly accounted for and go through a proper process of becoming a resident, like other immigrants do.

I've realized that the problem most people have with illegals is purely based on race. And I know, a lot of people will get all cyber-"offended' by that, but when you boil it all down to the very essence of the core of nuts & bolts, it's true.

Let's debunk some of the other "reasons".

They make bad neighbors.
So does everyone else.

They use hospital ER care without paying for it!
So do a ton of other people of all flavors.

They use our schools!
You cry about them not speaking English, but don't want them to learn? :eek7 How are they supposed to acquire English, through osmosis? And besides, our public schools are fucking horrible anyway. Is it really a big loss?

They are criminals!
Technically this is true. Hence the term, "illegal immigrant". And if there is anyone here who has never broken a single law in their life, step forward. There are 90-year-old grandmothers breaking laws right now. Breaking one law does not make someone a career criminal. Most illegals simply want a job and a better life, not to be the next Scarface.

They don't pay taxes!
Yes, they do. You just can't see it because you choose not to look.



If you eliminate these big ones, there's not much left except race. :2 cents:

well if a LEGAL citizen is a pain in teh ass, owes a doc bill, breaks laws, or what ever then thats our problem as a country. If ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do it, it is our right to kick them the fuck out!

And ya i really believe all those illegals that are paid $5 an hour cash pay taxes... They only pay taxes when they buy stuff.

Basically in your eyes we should just let everyone who wants to be here to come here??? Do you have children that go to school? Do you understand the frontline drain these people in masses are putting on our system?? Your argument would hold up if there was a small number of illegals, but one major problems there are millions of them!

ah, but you can't take action on how something "might" be enforced. You have to wait for them to do it, then you can take action against it.

Plenty of big ones to go through...

They slow down the medical system, cost it/us money, slow down response times - more than any other group. They create more violence, engage in human and drug trafficking, they take more from the system than they pay in, before counting all the untaxed money that is sent straight out of the Country. The repeat violent criminal stats on illegals is staggering. They do occupy jobs that Americans apply for, they do hire each other and keep Americans out. They cost the schools money with no money put back in for it, it's a total loss. They purchase homes/goods and walk away often taking with them what they can, and no way to track them down. They fraud people through identity theft. They clog up our legal system and prisons, costing us even more money. They don't have car insurance, registration, or a DL - breaking all those laws, causing wrecks and deaths, causing our emergency/police to respond more, then driving away with no way to track them down.

I'm bored now...

You give police the power to check their immigration status. Just like Arizona is doing.

Any more stupid questions?

Are you as evil as this post seems? :Oh crap

As long as they aren't on some Interpol list or something, sure. Why shouldn't everyone have a shot at coming here? Legally of course.

I did, at one time. I went too.

Yes. I also understand the drain our legal citizens put on it too. We have many more legal citizens than illegal immigrants. So I'd love to see the portion of lost resources dedicated to helping legals that don't pay in comparison.

And millions of homeless, gangbangers, petty thieves, white-collar swindlers, religious scam artists, middle-class suburbanites that cheat on their taxes & game the system, corporations that game the system, government that games the system, politicians that game the government, thugs, poor people, people with no insurance, education funding cut to the bones, pharma companies charging a month's salary for 2 Tylenols, welfare families, section 8 housing, the Food Bank, the Salvation Army, Goodwill, outsourced Chinese slave labor, and on and on and on.

Why all the hatred for illegals if it's not about race? There are obviously many, many other fish to fry. Rounding up Mexicans is apparently much more dynamic & engaging I suppose than dealing with real problems that affect every single one of us daily. Arizona has a border war. I get it. Again, this AZ law does nothing to solve the problem. (or any problem for that matter)

Why not simply do like Oakland? Revise policy so that police no longer respond to car wrecks or grand theft or burglary or anything, and require people to report that stuff online. Lots of savings there in resources. One website takes the place of 80 officers.

Just one - do you understand the concept of sarcasm?

Because that's why we pay taxes, and we aren't Oakland... why not remove the huge cost problem, so the people can have the protection they paid for?

Adapt or die. It's not just for porn any more.

Honestly Doc, I'm not vested in this either way, I just like a good topic. It always fascinates me that people get so charged over illegals, but completely ignore much bigger problems that have been beating them over the heads for much longer.

eh, anyway... I gotta fuckin' do something here. It's already 1:30. I feel like a fucking sloth. Time for some sunshine. :rasta

Enjoy... we can debate the other finer points of life at a later time.

This law isn't directed at "hispanics". It's directed at Mexicans. People who are a different species than humans. Short, ugly, gencetically defective humans that come to USA and cut lawns and babysit because they don't have the genetic disposition to read.

I grew up in Camarillo California, Cinco De Mayo is bigger than the 4th of July
But they use it to gain citizenship thru anchor babies, $10k per birth for a normal delivery with estimated 5 million anchor babies in this country, do the math
They get free lunches, extra teachers that are bilingual, cutting into the budget of your kids, California schools suck, I know I raised my daughter in the system
The problem is the gangs that form from them in sanctuary cities like LA, drug cartels sending illegal aliens to national forests growing pot and running meth labs, do you know the damage they are doing to our national forests? I got some miner friends, they stumble across that all the time
Not legally they don't, they pay into SSN accounts that's not theirs, and send most of the money they make back to Mexico via western union, yeah that's great for our economy, FAIL
Again, I grew around Mexicans, learned Spanish in the 6th grade, great food, bad music, I don't judge people by their skin color, but their actions.
We just need to build a wall, then sort out the criminal ones and for the ones that truly here for a better LEGAL life, they can have the opportunity to earn citizenship

:eek7 :1orglaugh

In Hawaii, the King's birthday is bigger than Christmas.

I'm confused. I thought you wanted them to be legal citizens. What difference does it make how they become legal, as long as they become legal? As I have understood our many debates on this, I was under the impression that legality was the final goal. Is it not? Must they bring $$$$ or go through some tortuous process to prove their love for America? What more do you ask other than legality?

Many jobs have linguistic requirements. Teachers aren't special. Free lunches? Well, I'll tell you what.... one illegal Mexican kid is entitled to a full school system lunch every day that he's there because I never once ate the "free" lunch that the schools provided for us. So there, I've done my part and made my sacrifice toward the greater good already.

Yeah, I've seen the shows too. But every illegal alien does not become a drug gangster. That's absurd. That's like saying every black is a thug gangbanger.

Don't forget, we are benefiting from that money. Also don't forget everything that they buy, and the sales tax they pay, and in many cases even IRS taxes.... that we all benefit from. Many of them are paying into the system, whether it's their real name or not. So how can you deny those people medical care or school for their kids? Are you that heartless over what amounts to a paper legality issue?


I'm still on the fence, no pun intended. I'm really neither for or against putting up a wall. On the one hand, it would work. On the other, there's something very disturbing to me about living behind a wall. I was serving in Germany from 88-90 when the wall came down. So the idea of putting one up here really bothers me.

Who are you, exactly?

I'll be honest...I would very much enjoy the day that I see Hispanic people and not know whether they are illegal aliens or not and know that a significant percentage of them probably are illegal (given I'm in San Diego). As it is, there are a few dozen Hispanic people that hang out at the street corner by where I live, basically there to be picked up to do jobs for people. I've never gone up to talk to them or anything so I have no idea if they're legal or not, but what I'm saying is I'd love the day when I can actually assume they ARE legal because there'd be so few ILLEGAL immigrants. I'm sure police would love that day too. Unless something is done, that day isn't going to come. If Mexico could somehow fix the problem, that would be the best solution, but everyone knows they never will, so it's up to the US to fix it. The federal government clearly isn't bothered enough to fix it, so AZ is trying to do what is in their power to at least fix the issue for their state. It won't fix the national problem obviously because they'll spill over into other states, but that's not AZ's concern nor should it be. They are elected to look out for the state's best interests, and their best interest is to stop making all the low-lower middle class people poorer through paying for a bunch of people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

Yes, there's a slim chance that a legal Hispanic citizen gets profiled and stopped by police for some bullshit reason (which already happens to Hispanics, blacks, etc. as you know) and asked for their ID (which already would happen in those cases, only now they can ask for passport), and there's a slim chance after that AZ law going into effect that a legal Hispanic citizen there (who BTW is more than likely already well aware of the legal system having had to jump through many hoops to legally get in this country), would somehow not think to have their passport/ID on them, get arrested until they're found to be legal and then released. Then there's a slim chance that despite likely being aware that they should have been carrying their ID on them to prevent this situation, they sue.

There's also many circumstances in which doctors could face lawsuits for medical malpractice for suggesting a medical procedure that had a chance of failure and failed, and probably a bunch of other cases of such legal issues that people in many professions, companies, and the government all deal with. So should everyone just not do anything to solve problems in fear of possibility of lawsuits?

I understand the whole slippery slope argument against this, but I just don't know if this will cause any more racial profiling against Hispanics in AZ than what already exists, only now if they're found to be illegal, they'll get deported, and if they were legal and for whatever reason after a law is passed requiring them to carry ID they didn't, then they'll be detained until they're found to be legal and then released. I mean no innocent people have ever been detained for anything before this law passed...never!

As it is, I and everyone else have to carry my driver's license when I'm driving about. I've memorized the number and once a few years ago, I got stopped by a cop because my tags weren't up to date (was still waiting for them in the mail) and I didn't have my license but gave him my license #. Hey guess what? I got a ticket for not having my license on me! Young white male getting a ticket for not having ID even though I had proof of who I was and that I could legally drive...it happens!

6 years later and I'm still amazed at the conservative idiots permeating the ADULT PORN INDUSTRY. You guys are silly on so many levels. Are you all waiting in line for the fruit picking jobs or something?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no but there can be programs put into place like giving the high school students friday off to earn some cash. or maybe college students they show up at the school and are bused to the locations ill be submitting some ideas to my local congressman. :) and this will include normal citizens that have valid identification. "i have a dream" M.L.K. Americans i have faith in. :)

I don't know. I'm no expert. Maybe they really are all criminals and drug mules and gangsters. Just seems more plausible to me that what's going on is not one problem, but two.

Problem Group #1: What we'll call "legitimate" illegals. People that have nothing but the clothes on their backs, crossing over hoping to survive and get a $2 buck per day job somewhere. Maybe over time he assumes the identity of a dead guy or something (yes, illegally. There's no way to legally assume the identity of someone else). He pays taxes and social security (under someone else's name, again illegally since there's no way to legally do that), raises a family, shops at Target, buys cars, tv, clothing, groceries, etc.. These are the people accused of "draining" the system, when in reality they are doing exactly what they'd be doing if they had "LEGAL" stamped on their foreheads.

Problem Group #2: The Drug War. People from PG1 getting caught up in it, forced to mule over the border, or wind up working for them.


Solution To PG1: Fix Mexico from the top down. Make the legal immigration process so that actual humans have a chance at it, not just a select privileged few. Set up some sort of asylum/embassy collection points down in the heavily troubled border areas to screen & deal with people trying to escape that shit from Mexico. (because it's OUR border, that makes it OUR problem.) Give them some sort of opportunity or process to become legal, right there, on the spot as well as consequences for any documented criminals they come across. Give the ones already living and working here, the ones that are very obviously established who have children who have never known any other home, some way to become legal without fear of deportation for exposing themselves.

Solution To PG2: End prohibition. Fence and arm the entire border.


Like I said, I don't know. Maybe Arizona just needs to Man-up and stop whining so much. I mean, CA NM & TX border Mexico too. But the only one we ever hear crying is Arizona.

I remember, I lived there for 3 years while in the Navy

Two wrongs don't make a right, they are doing that just to stay here, that's the wrong approach
But they are far out numbering the lunches you didn't eat, they are a burden on the school system, this is why the president wants charter schools, the public system isn't working welll
Never said they did, but getting rid of just the ones that are breaking the law, like the Arizona law will do, will solve a lot of the criminal problem created by illegals

I'll bet for every $100 dollars they spend on taxes, they cost $1000.
I don't think we can get rid of the ones already here, we need to stop the flow, then deal with the ones here


That wall was in the middle of the city, they still have a gate you have to show papers at don't they?
Think of the people that they would put to work building it, better yet, after heavily patrolling the border, have illegal aliens work on it at good wages towards earning citizenship

My all time favorite news story is every 6 months or so when they figure out some Border Patrol guy is actually an illegal.

For every 100 people who whine about Mexicans "stealing jobs" and "being illegals" and uhhhmmm "playing music too loud"....

We get 1 person explaining that they come for jobs, given out by... drumroll... Americans.

And another 1 person explaining that someone on welfare who could be working "drains the system" of waaaaay more than an illegal immigrant WORKING to make money.

Maybe one more explaining how many under the table jobs there are, for anyone, citizen or not.. Given out by... Americans!

Or how many receipts don't get counted for.. I bet every fucking one of you will line up for quick sale no receipt discounts if the price is right.. No? Have you ever bought a stolen good before? If your friend bought some "illegal" jeans.. would you "rat them out" to the IRS?

Have you paid taxes every time you sold anything? I mean really?

You all cheat and rob the system any time you can. It just sucks when SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT.

Someone should remind you that your country is just over 200 years old! You fucking twats.. EVERY ONE OF YOU is a fucking immigrant. If you found out your great great great grandpa didn't file the right paperwork back in the day... Do you care? Even a little bit? Would you still consider yourself Americans, like the paper didn't matter?

Its interesting when porno people want state laws to over ride federal.

I don't see the problem with racial profiling tbh even if it is illegal. Not allowing racial profiling is just some liberal tree hugger bullshit they thought up while taking a magical unicorn ride in nevernever land.

Racial profiling is a fantastic law enforcement tool. Same with the nationality profiling we do here with affiliate programs. Some countries are banned outright because the risks are too high. Does that mean all people from those countries are scammers, of course not, but a higher proportion of them are and as a result they are put under more scrutiny.

I knew I agreed with you on a lot of shit but couldn't remember what. You just reminded me. :upsidedow

Douche bag white neighbors don't run drop houses. :2 cents:

Most of the twats in the US are legal immigrants. No one has the right to enter this country illegally, drive without a license, insurance, steal social security numbers, have fake ID's, get free medical care at the hospital, have their kids in English as a second language classes, etc. There are a lot of problems caused by illegal aliens. I am also not sure why people keep talking about this law being aimed at Mexicans or Hispanics. It is aimed at anyone that is here illegally.

Have you even read 1070? There's nowhere in the text that even mentions "Hispanic" or "Mexico". It will apply to anybody whether you're white, asian, black, brown, or red.

Evil = Following the law? If someone gets busted for doing 80mph in a 65mph zone, do you feel sorry for them and bitch & whine about the speed laws?