Reminds me I have to open a ticket to do the same thing for my affiliate. It's possible to pay any minimum via nats for any affiliate, but there's a couple extra steps you gotta do which I forgot.

When you put things like "Why does NATS discourage payouts?" in your thread title you instantly lose credibility.

I'm happy to see you spamming your affiliate link codes on our back tho.

And, no, links to payment information have been in the default skin on NATS installs for years.

You always come across as a bit uppity with your "Don't assume I'm stupid because I'm a woman" rants, but I never pictured you as one of the drama idiots here.

Keep on creating the fake drama on our back to spam your affiliate ref codes for PimpRoll & Kink. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

Sorry but no, i think YOU lose credibility for not responding to her in a more professional manner. I know you get a lot of crap said on GFY and other boards but show SOME responsibility as a businessman. Her original post CLEARLY stated that she was told these things by NATS clients ... so all of a sudden all of your NATS clients are liars and shouldn't be trusted? Or perhaps they're all stupid and do not understand NATS themselves? Come on John, you're better than this. Even Officer initially claimed that it was a NATS problem right in this very thread and he USES the system ....

It's not the question, it's the manner in which it's posed.

This board breeds nothing but hate & drama these days. Unfortunately, it's pretty much done IMO as an actual business oriented board.

I was saying, in a rather rude way, that you have clue as to what you were insinuating, and how inflammatory it could be taken. I was suggesting that you reassess posting such things.

The default NATS v3 skin doesn't even have a fucking logo in it, little alone links to anything you are required to configure yourself. v4 isn't a hell of a lot better for a 'default design', if you want my personal opinion.

I don't know where you're trying to go with this. It's not some magical thing that was designed to confuse people. The program managers mark things paid/unpaid manually anyhow, so the lack/link to this is hardly something definitive or 'fortelling' of some intentional malice.

I continue to suggest that you do some research before making fairly baseless claims about a product you really don't understand.

So you are saying that links to payments.php -- the page which lists payouts which have been made and which are pending -- is part of the navigation, in the default NATS install, and a lot of your customers just strip it out and claim it is not in the default setup?

Multiple NATS users have posted in this very thread that NATS makes exactly what I posted about difficult. So how is what I posted off-base at all, much less lacking in credibility?

Last time I checked, I wasn't troubled by my vagina or my gray matter, so please go ahead and post proof of my "uppity" threads I am "always" posting.

I'm willing to learn. It seemed from the TMM post that the company is saying there is navigation in the default install, and program people who use NATS have told me their impression of what that default navigation is.

What is in the default install of NATS?

I'm not generally shy about expressing my opinion and, if I meant there was intentional malice -- as opposed to a discouraging structure -- I would have said that. But I didn't say that.

Your question was answered above.

No, "a lot of our customers" do not just strip out a page (which is purely informational).

I'm done replying to you. And more or less with GFY these days.

You clearly believe what ever it is you believe and you're bent on attempting to create some imaginary problem.

I'm pretty sure all stats pages are "purely informational". Isn't that the whole function of the affiliate side of your software, to give affiliates information about their traffic and earnings with the sponsor?

Either your default setup has payments.php in the navigation and many programs remove it and blame you, or it doesn't because it is "purely informational" and unimportant in TMM's view. The fact that the question on whether it does makes you angry is disappointing. The fact that your answer to a simple yes/no question is slippery is even more disappointing.

If multiple NATS users have posted in this very thread that NATS makes exactly what I posted about difficult, how can you claim what I posted is off-base at all, much less lacking in credibility, and not post a single reason why? I'm not closed to hearing your side. I was hoping you would have some answers. But, if you have absolutely not one single point to make -- other than waaah-GFY-is-not-all-unicorns-and-hugs -- then it is hard to change one's perspective.

Lastly, you accused me of "always" making "uppity" threads, but you can't find a single one with the subject matter you accused me of, can you?

Your above statement is so oblique, it makes me wonder why you chose to make a thread if it wasn't for the purposes of malice, honestly.

The default install is basically a shell with a very, very basic design, and it's up to the program implementers to setup what they want it to do, and whoever makes their skins to support whatever functionality they want.. and back to whoever actually manages it to ensure it works.

Blaming TMM for a misconfiguration in a program, or (a lack of) functionality is like blaming a paint company for graffiti on the wall.

bingo, submitted a ticket to NATS/TMM when I posted above, got a reply on the ticket within the hour and just paid an affiliate who didn't reach their min in the nats setup with a little TMM help.

Any sponsor who says NATS prevents this, just doesn't know how, and doesn't feel like learning how to cover someone who didn't hit the min.

Does NATS have a knowledgebase? Maybe it'd be a good idea to add how to pay someone who didn't make the minimum payment, without lowering the minimum payout for everyone.

Wow TMM John always is a fuckin cunt when he replies to people. WTF is your problem john? You come off as a real fuckin asshole.

The only reason why NATS is blamed for everything ccbill is because those are primarily the only thing that people use these days. It is the sponsors choice when to send money and when not to. I don't know how stupid you people are to keep going on about NATS being involved with you getting paid by a sponsor. It is the person who owns the program who is jerking you, period.

I think it is a complete scam that sponsors dont pay you for any amount you make. There is no other job in the world where if you earn commissions you dont get paid because you did not make enough.

I've never liked NATS (or MPA3, etc) programs with minimums above $50. Especially in this economy and with all the uncertainty. I understand that perhaps it is done on purpose to try to encourage an affiliate to send more traffic (as well as in some cases for cash flow or fraud control reasons) but why should I bother with you when I can just add another ccbill program to the 500 I am already with and effectively get paid within two weeks for each sale? I'll tolerate $100 if you have a good program and we have history but anything above that and I won't touch you. That said I think wanting $10 or 20 minimums is likewise pushing the ridiculous in my opinion.

FWIW, I don't think the initial posts by AmeliaG were hostile or accusatory. I took it more as a question than some sort of attack.

terms and conditions. if you don't like it, don't agree to them and move on.

fucking whiner.

Cliff notes for you...


This has NOTHING TO DO WITH NATS...

the program owners choose the min payout.. not NATS....

again...

You agreed to the rules of that program when you signed up correct? you knew what the min payout was when you signed up right?

so then why should they have to lower it? if you can't send the min payout in sales then don't promote it's that easy...

think I can walk into the dealership where I got my car and say .. oh hey I know I agreed to pay xxx amount a month on my car but since the economy is bad please cut it in half....

your an idiot.. why do you think so many people are loosing their homes right now...


deal with it... learn to send sales and you will get checks it's that simple....



see you contradict yourself in here... with these "bunch of programs owe you" well darlin since I've been in the industry in 2000 stuff always "rolls over" to the next period am I correct.. so if you can make the "monthly threashold" then you still would if it was biweekly payouts right? cause first payment rolls over to the next one...

what I gather from what your saying is ... you have programs you promote with say 100 dollar min payout ... you may have sent 2 sales so your owed 50 bucks you want your 50 bucks but the min is 100.. so.... send a few more sales you will get paid.....

adult affiliates are so pickey .... good thing you fuckers don't do mainstream stuff.. ive seen 500 dollar min payouts before from HUGE fortune 500 companies ... so are they in the wrong to?

Leave NATS alone... anyone with a custom backend (ie not ccbill or epoch) can set the min payout at what ever the fuck they want.... most business bank on the fact that you won't send min amount of sales.... again very common practice I hate to have to be the one to tell you.... and thats not just adult....

don't waste your time. she's a broke whiney webmaster like the majority of people here, pretending to actually have traffic. its really hard for some of these people here to accept that they're no one. :2 cents:

There was a KB, and now there's a wiki. Your easiest bet to do so, of course, would be to manually compute their payment data, and set them paid, as you do for automagically generated payment files.

I think it is cool that you proactively opened a ticket and that TMM gave you an assist and that they did it in a timely fashion. Those are all good things.

I do think it is discouraging to people running NATS-powered programs that NATS does not make this an easy intuitive thing to do. I do think it is an issue that I have to type in payments.php for so many NATS-powered programs, if I want to see what I'm owed.

All that said, NATS is really a secondary issue in this thread. My primary point was that it seems to me that, under current economic conditions, many standard payout thresholds are no longer realistic and, as an industry, we should discuss lowering them.

IT is actually pretty easy, I just had a typo in my template preventing me from paginating and getting to that affiliate.

I've had that on my site from day 1, you should know what your owed just by looking at your stats anyways.

Threshholds are 100% necessary IMO because personally I don't want a full time staff dedicate to the processing and mailing of 10 bazillion $13 checks. I will be happy to pay anyone that asks for it if they are under the minimum, but for those of use without dedicated mail rooms, I think $50 to $100 min is fair.

CliffsNotes are supposed to be concise.

I don't know why you care so very much. Do you really feel that guilty about switching up your program, when you had one, on webmasters and keeping their earnings?

If you were gainfully employed in this industry, I would take another stab at breaking my two very simple points down for you.

I completely understand that the paperwork on this sort of thing can quickly spiral into something which is way more trouble than it is worth.

You have popular sites, which at least appear to be regularly updated, and which have a lot of content. If someone is not making break, you are fine with taking care of them, but I'm guessing that, with your current products, a $50 to $100 minimum doesn't leave the majority of your affiliates not ever getting a check, unless they request a favor. Am I at all correct on that guess?

There are many sponsors which were going gangbusters a number of years ago, but who haven't updated their sites in years. I'm not particularly embarrassed by the fact that I have trouble selling my surfers something they have already seen, which has nothing new on it. It seems to me that, if it used to be the norm, for whatever reason, for active affiliates to hit $100 with a particular sponsor, then that threshold made sense at the time. But, if it is now unusual for active affiliates to hit $100 with a particular sponsor, then that seems like something which needs tweaking under current market conditions.

On another aspect of the balance between inefficiency and nonpayment, in your opinion, would it be easier to pay monthly, instead of every two weeks like you currently do, or would too many affiliates dislike that system?

Monthly would be hell of alot easier, but people will not like it, I get asked if I can go weekly all the time.

:2 cents::2 cents:
truth

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poor John :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
thx TMM for feeding board breeds :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

btw if CCBill would be more accurate and more determined to have wms succeed nats would suck donkey balls these days

or a company which does its job better than ccbill would do that. there's such a huge market sphere in the air

i agree with you

Upon reflection, DirtyDanza, I apologize for saying this. I know it is GFY and everything, but I'm not trying to be mean. I was just feeling frustrated that someone, not only with no dog in this, but not even in the industry, was being so aggro on something which has nothing to do with him.

monthly fucking sucks. weekly is best.

I didn't mean to be oblique. I have never done or supervised a NATS install, but the off-the-shelf software I either have installed or had someone else install kinda all has a default navigation.

I'm not a coder, so I wouldn't even do my own installation on something like vBulletin, but, while VB is robust customizable software, it does have default navigation. If someone asked me what the default installation navigation on something like WordPress, which I can install, is, I think I could come up with an answer.

Certainly I would not think that asking what is in the default navigation on the affiliate side of NATS was terribly oblique.

Like I said, I'm willing to learn. Although the NATS aspect of this thread was secondary to the economic question of changing with the times, I would be interested to learn relevant things about NATS such as what the default navigation really is.

It has already been established that nobody in this thread is content, aside from possibly some stunt-cocking, which most people wouldn't count.

like i said, she's a broke, whiny has been, who never was. it's a whole lot harder to portray yourself as a big baller now a days when you're whining on a board about collecting 30 dollars from a sponsor. people with traffic and cash don't bother with such things.