shit thats still funny

The size of Westin is tremendous, just the great hall and the 2nd floor where the meeting rooms are adds up to 70,000 sq feet. This is a hotel with around 1000 rooms and with a pool larger than the size of the main meeting areas of other places. You can have a peak look of Westin at: http://www.diplomatresort.com/ - If you want to define the success of an event by the density of people by square feet that's something different to discuss.

The number of events taking place simultaneously is larger than ever. AVN Show was designed to provide options to attendees based on their interest. For example, between 2:00pm and 3:00pm tomorrow the following activities will take place:

Exhibit Hall
Cabanas
3rd Floor Suites & Meeting rooms
Novelty Demo Lab
Novelty Exhibit Hall
Ripped Off! Imitation Is the Sincerest Form of Thievery - Room 213
Utherverse Builds a Virtual World in Real-time: An Exlusive Demo - Atlantic 3
Life in the Third Dimension: How to Produce 3D Content - Regency 3
Hot Sectors: The Ascendancy of Live Content and Dating - Atlantic 2
To Sell or Not to Sell: How to Maximize Your Value - Part 2 - Regency 1

You can see the schedule at http://www.avnshow.com/schedule-of-a...stry-show.html or download a complete version here: http://www.avnshow.com/_docs/AVNShow_Full_Details.pdf

Our industry is constantly changing. I don't believe it is realistic to expect the Internet segment of any event to be anywhere near the size of 2000-2005. I have a feeling Shap has left with such images in his mind. Someone recently wrote that used to have something like a thousand icq contacts and that the vast majority of them have disappeared for a while. Unfortunately, we like it or not this is a fact.

Video segment is harming as well and big time. Phil Harvey delivered a beautiful keynote today at the beginning of which he shared some of the Adam&Eve corporate statistics. Like every other company they experiences a steady decline in dvd sales. The difference with most of his competition is they successful make up for those loses through increases from other segments and mainly from sex toys.

Nobody drove in a pimped out 18 wheeler with naked babes painted on the side, a DJ spinning on the top and hot go go dancers making it rain 50s and 100s on the wealthy webmasters below? Damn, times have changed in 10 years :(

Did Fabian ever make it past customs?

Well by the looks of your wife, I might have to change my haircut.

Okay, let me get this right...

The Diplomat is sold out. The show is massive. More attendees than ever before. Is that about right?

Free ID offer from AVE didn’t ring the bell? If I was living in Miami I would sign every one of my friends for this bash.

I think this post more than any other shows the state of the industry.

Tubes don't make money from free traffic. They make money from people spending money. If this statement were right here would be no free to compete with.

The reason the industry is in trouble is that for $30 a month we can't compete with people these people you say living off "free" traffic. The reasons are simple we put the customer last, we ripped him off, he's rejecting us (for more reasons than cross sales) and we have not adapted to the new Adult Internet.

Until we do business will continue to decline.

Everyone is doing good biz. Great ROI. You missed out.

(if you're selling novelties)

After going to the last six Internext Miami shows in a row and watching AVN slowly kill this show and then either try to deny or justify it is getting kind of sad.
Last years show sucked, AVN could have tried to fix it, offer a rebate for people who put up with it last year but instead it was bizz as usual.
Lets face it if it was not for the terrible economy in Miami the Westin would not have even had you back this year.
I assume this will be the last, oh wait I mean greatest Internext ever.

I remeber attending the first year of the show - it was so jam packed in there you had a difficult time getting by people near the convention hall.

Shows how badly AVN has screwed the shows, with their ridiculous pricing and gouging. Coincidence?

Fuck it. Grab a beer and head to the pool.

It doesn't matter how many people attended (unless you're AVN) as long at the right people attend. Gleem was right when mentioning just one deal can make the difference. But that's a gamble of time and money less people are willing to make.


Seems few shows have gone away even with attendance complaints, but again it's been years & years since I've been to one. Each time the next show comes up I think about it, then get busy on something and don't think about it until the next show.

Something interesting is that even during the online porn 'glory years' the internet side of the biz was starry eyed and jealous at how BIG and opulent the video (vhs/dvd) shows were. Impressed by glitz instead of real $$$ and results.

agreed

i was only going to be there one day (yesterday) and i had 7 very good meetings

Thanks SR for taking care of the issue for me.

I considered attending but I'm too busy sending out DMCAs. :disgust

I've always wondered about "meetings".

I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol

I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting".

How does the meeting go? Is it like this?:
Pornographer One: "I have porn"

Pornographer Two: "I have porn too"

Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?"

Pornographer Two: "Yes"

Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!"

Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to"


Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink. :pimp

turn off your computers and leave the internet, you've reached the end of it. thanks for playing.

It didn't even get mentioned on the local news down here. I'd be surprised if it returns next year. By the way, the Diplomat is big because it is a convention hotel located in possibly the worst place you could have a convention. The middle of nowhere. South Beach is 15 miles away and Lauderdale is 10. You ain't walking anywhere unless you want to go to Wal-Mart. I always got a chuckle out of that. Of course this year might be a good time to get that case of Chinese dildos I've been thinking about.

I found that everyone that attended the show was serious and interested in talking business not bullshit. Of course attendance was not like it was years ago. At this stage of the game, all the weak players including shitty producers, lame sites, half-assed affiliate programs, and the companies that relied on screwing the consumer have pretty much been marginalized and eliminated. Now everyone that is left that can afford to attend a trade show is either really good at what they do or just there to see old friends from the glory days. People can say the show was small and it is not like the old days, but if they got on a plane, showed up and still didn't get anything accomplished then that's their own fault.

dude, lets meet up, hadn't talked to you since 2004, check your ICQ for my number

I saw him there, so yes, I guess he did.

ADG will be crushed. :(

About the only place your walking to is that pizza join a couple blocks down.

I've been to 5-6 of the fla shows, and and equal number of the vegas shows. each progressively smaller, each less ROI. The price goes up the value goes down... Last year was and is the last AVN show I'll ever attend, simple as that.

Even a few years back it use to be a shuffle trying to figure out what to go do next because so much was going on you actually had to pick and choose. Got a LOT done, met and worked with great people because of those shows.

Last year was more a sit around trying to figure out what to do next because nothing was going on. Still met some good people, didn't work with any of them.

Meetings... had a few. Basically, "I can send you sales. You have to pay me 60 bucks up front for each and you have to pay 10k worth of those upfront joins or your SOL."

I only even went to the show because Mojohost flipped the ticket, and a none industry friend needed a break and popped for the room. Even then, it was not worth the gas to drive there or the time wasted.

Yes the show seems smaller but it's been very productive for me so far for business. :pimp

wizzo! find me, look for sharky if you can't find me to hit me up, we got some biz to discuss, be there in the afternoon

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:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I always found the absurdity of "meetings" at shows to be pretty funny as well. I think some sales people just like feeling important and busy.

Best line of the day. I never understood it either.

I found that most were affiliate reps there on the company dime. Of course you are going to be in meetings.

Well of course. I guess I should rephrase... it's not that I don't understand it, it's just that I can't relate.

I agree with Robbie and Fuze, when I have been at shows actively seeking business/deals/affiliates (years in the past), I never had "meetings". They weren't needed, the majority of your time you are going to be stuck having someone try to "sell you" on some BS and take an hour or two of your time, to relay something they could have said in 5 minutes. The end result is the same, 95% of the time, people don't follow-through anyways.

I remember at one point, I think 9 of our top 10 affiliates were people I brought in, even though I wasn't even a rep, who I met very late night, drinking heavily. Hanging out, without the salesperson bullshit, is always better than a sales pitch IMO in forming business relationships.

Are you more likely to remember the guy saying:

"Hey, we met at the show, I was the guy trying to sell you my awesome feeds, you said you'd take a look"

OR

"Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of that bar and escaping from the police on a stolen golf cart!?"

So, to those who say you need to be well-dressed, carrying around a notepad and have your iPhone loaded with appointments or you aren't doing business at a show, you may want to re-think that strategy.

:2 cents:

Well said my friend.
:thumbsup

You guys are priceless. Admit it, most of you in this thread would be terribly disappointed if reports were that the show was seriously kicking ass. :D

Or in my case with you...
Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of a Costa Rican whorehouse and escaping security in that white van you were in?

:pimp

The fact I couldn't cancel my $1k room (4 nights) even when I tried to 14 days before the event totally blows. Then later to not be able to sell it on for $400 told me there wasn't much demand for rooms.

You couldn't cancel 14 days ahead of time? Wow.

That's the kind of thing that gets on my nerves about shows. It seems like they always pick hotels that take advantage of us in every way. Bend us over and fuck us in the ass without lube.

And the bad part is...here in Vegas for instance there are PLENTY of hotel/casinos that would bend over backwards and offer discounts to AVN/Internext and XBIZ to bring their shows to them. Including ones here with TOPLESS pools.

But they cut sweetheart deals for themselves with overpriced Palms and Hard Rock respectively and we get over charged for everything and the girls can't even take their tits out.

I want to go to the Venus show in Germany. That looked a whole lot like the old mid 90's and IA2000 shows used to look like with naked girls everywhere and people having fun.

And somehow we did MILLIONS of dollars worth of business while getting fucked up and laid the whole time. No need for "serious" this and "serious" that. We went there, we got fucked up, we got some pussy, we shook hands, we made deals, we made money.

EDIT: You want affiliates to come back to shows? Give them some naked girls and some FUN. They sit behind a keyboard all fucking year long. Give them a REASON to make a show their vacation and they will come back like they used to.

No - this could not have happened in Costa Rica?? You must have the wrong country.

http://www.costaricatravelscout.com/...osta-rica.html

Believe me, when you walk into a casino/hotel/whorehouse with Claudia-Marie and every hooker in the place starts complaining to the management because all the men are surrounding Claudia-Marie...you get thrown out. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It was something I never imagined happening in my wildest dreams!

The good old Hotel Del Ray

I'm very sorry I missed that.