yah but it didn't so stop sucking cock. loser. the smart people skipped it.:1orglaugh

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"show was productive business wise" is a bullshit statement. Did someone cut you a check at the show? Did you cut someone else a check at the show? The truth is you really don't know if a show was productive until 1-2 months after a show. Everyone says YES at a show but that does not translate into links up and joins coming in until you get back and DO SOMETHING on both sides. Also, there is several names here I have worked with over the years that will remain nameless that are flat out slackers. You can inhale your own exhaust all you want about how much business you get done but the people that have worked with you know better.

I imagine that the majority do not own the company they are representing and are not going there on their own dime. They want to make sure that they get these mini-vacations for years to come.

What's wrong with a $50 grilled cheese sandwich?

While I agree that tons of biz can get done without meetings and I've done tons of deals over the years late night over a drink, there are certain scenarios where a meeting is necessary:

1. You don't want others seeing who you're talking to.
a. affiliate is thinking of switching sponsors & doesn't want Sponsor A seeing them talk to Sponsor B.
b. same goes for the sponsor program. if a competitors whale wants to switch to you sometimes its better to talk in private.

2. Sometimes you want to talk specifics and it's easier in a quite room instead of loud club.

3. To impress your client. Showing them you can afford a large meeting suite shows you have the money to do business.

4. If multiple people from a company are required to answer questions (owner, programer, rep) sometimes it's easier to meet at a specific time/place (meeting room) rather than try to find each other in a loud club. Or sometimes companies will have their reps scattered at different parties so that they have better coverage. Get answers from multiple people is easier if they're all together in a "meeting"

5. You don't want competition listening in and stealing your ideas. If you do 200 joins daily but let most people know you're at 10 to keep a low profile the last thing you want is someone overhearing your conversation and then copying your biz the next day.

And the list goes on...

As a webmaster I did all my biz like everyone describes. Now with AFF I understand the need for private meetings.

Just my :2 cents:

right - i wasted many hours by discussing deals on shows and when following up later got no reply or just excuses

Disappointed or shocked?

business has been great this year so far at this show got a lot done and seem a lot of people, did not know you were attending shap, I would have liked to talk to you about a few things maybe there is still time get in touch if you can :)

Madalton, exactly.

One thing I leaned years ago was to never waste a man's time. Your's or his. NEVER tell someone yes when you mean no and then ignore them when you get behind your computer. DON'T leave people wondering where they stand. If their products or services are not for you then SAY SO. It just isn't that hard.

That is something I'd be into. :thumbsup

No doubt. You get that everywhere though. From shows, private meets, ICQ, e-mail, anything really. And it is not limited to our industry. That's life.

It boils down to being a numbers game. You can talk to 20 people and 19 of them can be flakes... the question is whether or not that remaining 1 makes up for the other 19.

amen, brother


true, i had similar experiences in my previous jobs as well. but still it seems to be worse in this business and considering that a trip to a show like this costs me about $2.5k to $3k because of the flights it's simply not worth it anymore. nowadays i profit from my show visits in the past and do deals on ICQ with people who don't attend either.

its funny how this is actually a business for some and not a lifestyle

ill hit you next week when i log into icq

im on strict mon-fri only diet for icq lol

dude

wish i had known you were here. Would have taken you for dinner.

i dont get it

especially in this day and age i want a bit more information and even some real personal contact with decision makers before determining where my joins are going

i dont go to shows for parties or nude chicks or poker or drinks (i did that from 99-2004)

I go to shows to make more money. Period.

we got 10 of us going for dinner at 9PM if your buying? lol

Charlie Laine.. Shay Laren... ;)

lol maybe tomorrow AM? room 841 south tower just slip me a card under the door if im not around and ill call you or shoot me a PM on my forum with your number same with you shap if you read this!

sorry dude but yesterday was my only day at the show. Family stuff the rest of the weekend.

Im a local. Enjoy the rest of the show. :thumbsup

Ask the security./j

I'm around tomorrow for anyone who is interested in meeting. Hit me up mrshap at twistys now.

Btw I got some business done. That's not the point. I have to agree it is nice to not have the bs riff raff around. The point I'm making is it's just really sad to see how far the Florida show has fallen. It used to be such an amazing show. Hell I met my wife at a florida show 11 years ago so this show holds a special place in my heart.

Btw I got a parking spot on the first floor first spot next to the exit both days. That told me everything I need to know. It used to be a bitch finding a parking spot.

Btw Soul no need to defend the show. Anybody who was there, and has been to this show before, feels the way I do. Just let me rant. I'm bummed to see this show and this business where it is. I owe everything I have to this business it's sad to see how hard and fast things are changing.

Yeah, it's funny. Unfortunately the parties I've went to and made the most money at over the years were attended by the owners of some of the biggest programs in the world. Funny how I preferred to do business in a relaxed atmosphere with them and was a lot more inclined to do so with them as we became friends.

But hey...whatever works for you.

Are you talking about the Miami show down off Collins Ave. on the ocean? Damn I forget the hotel. But Porholio did a big wet t-shirt contest at the pool. Strictly Hosting ran cable in for everybody to have internet on the show floor. And Al and I sat at bar with Patrick the Hun all by ourselves just shooting the shit while everybody was out at the pool for the big wet t-shirt contest.

Those people had no idea that the hun, al4a, and ampland were all inside chatting amongst ourselves. lol

bingo!!!

Yep. Wherever you meet 'em, you meet 'em. Fuck it. Show floor, bar, private party, gay gloryhole room... it's all good, long as you connect.

That was a GREAT show. Al and I had just opened up Pure Candy Images content company and we debuted it there. We had a damn good time at that show. Lots of business... and lots of traffic "cash" business too, which I always love!

parties work for some.

Me i like to take care of business then go and do things i want to do other than work

Im not into the party scene so your right its whatever works for you

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those were the days when JoeE would rent out Solid gold and bus everyone up there.

I hosted a golf outting with Interclimax and CEN in 2001 at that show

i bet 80% of the golfers are no longer in the business (they were all players at the time)

YOU are on a roll haha :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

My last 4th girlfriend got kicked out of the Del Ray cause her sister wouldn't fuck the owner (but I did) she was not just amazing but easily someone that could have appeared on the cover of SI Swimsuit Issue :thumbsup

Words well spoken right there my friend. Very sad to see how fast it's changing.

We were at the first one too.. Never went back after that. I like Vegas, will be going to the 2011 next year... You know gambling and stuff lol

I don't think it was that one...Damn I wish I could remember the exact hotel. But I'm thinking it was 1998? Damn it! Brain foggy, must concentrate...grrrrrr! No use, Those brain cells are long gone. lol

Internext in New Orleans where Cybererotica had a party where there was more than 1 girl getting fucked on the dance floor?

I was at that one too. That was a tremendous show. Stayed at the Holiday Inn right on the river. Al and I somehow got the dates wrong and arrived for the show 5 days early! LOL! We partied our asses off. I hired this black call girl with huge fake tits one night and damn that was good.

This year it's with lube because the guy in the fourth cabana is selling it lol

Amen:thumbsup