Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17412972)

Great example. So True. FUCK ADAPTING and the Followers that use that Word. Damn I hate that word when it comes to Tube Sites.

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17413227)

Full length movies won't sell shit, but to be honest, those old looking sites need to adapt. Adaption doesn't mean posting full movies, but they look like shit. Seriously. Something out of the 90's. Or even 80's, my Commodore can do better. And you can't put up some few ugly women in their 50's fucking in a classroom and promote them as "teen" niche. Those times are over, those bookmarkers must be dead by now.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17413293)

LIFE LESSON #26:

There are TWO types of porn "fans":

1. Those who just want to whack off, have a pop, get a quick orgasm and move on. It's like eating cookies to them: I'm hungry, what's in the pantry? Well, I really like Chips Ahoy but all there's only Oreos...well, Oreos are free and I don't feel like dragging my ass to the store so GULP. Ahhh that felt good! Now what did I have to do with the rest of my day?

2. Afficionados. The "discerning" consumer. Someone who loves porn but loves HIS kind of porn (whatever that may be). Fetish? Niche? Sure - but even guys who just like POV (so they can fantasize it's their dicks getting sucked/fucked) or big titted blondes or group sex or MILFs...THESE kind of porn fans WILL buy but only for something they consider "woth it".

SO: It's OUR jobs to stop concentrating on porn fan #1 because, honestly, he just wants to come and doesn't really care who/why/how/where etc. Therefore, we need to focus on porn fan #2: buy OUR shit because it fulfills what you want (and need?).

There's also an age factor: younger porn fans raised on free shit are disinclined to pay for something they've always gotten for free. So fuck the under-30's (they usually have little to no $ anyway). When you get to the over 40's - those with money, busy lives and responsibilities - they WILL PAY, for the convenience of not searching through free tubes for hours JUST to find that short-haired big-titted blonde they love to jerk it to.

So what do "older" porn fans WANT? Design your tours for THEM, focus your marketing skills on THEM, appeal to THEM and their needs. And guess what? Most people in this category do NOT want to visit a porn tour that looks like they just walked into a Red Light District in Amsterdam. Flashing GIFs, this element POPPING in their face, music screeching in their ears.....

Finally, if you're an under-40 adult webmaster then chances are you're struggling BIG TIME. NOT because you didn't get into the biz soon enough but because the way you view the world doesn't "match" your customer's expectations. You're marketing like a 28 year old and have no clue what the 44 year old porn BUYER wants, and what will motivate him to open his wallet.

So check yoself b4 you wreck yoself.

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17413293)

LIFE LESSON #26:

There are TWO types of porn "fans":

1. Those who just want to whack off, have a pop, get a quick orgasm and move on. It's like eating cookies to them: I'm hungry, what's in the pantry? Well, I really like Chips Ahoy but all there's only Oreos...well, Oreos are free and I don't feel like dragging my ass to the store so GULP. Ahhh that felt good! Now what did I have to do with the rest of my day?

2. Afficionados. The "discerning" consumer. Someone who loves porn but loves HIS kind of porn (whatever that may be). Fetish? Niche? Sure - but even guys who just like POV (so they can fantasize it's their dicks getting sucked/fucked) or big titted blondes or group sex or MILFs...THESE kind of porn fans WILL buy but only for something they consider "woth it".

SO: It's OUR jobs to stop concentrating on porn fan #1 because, honestly, he just wants to come and doesn't really care who/why/how/where etc. Therefore, we need to focus on porn fan #2: buy OUR shit because it fulfills what you want (and need?).

There's also an age factor: younger porn fans raised on free shit are disinclined to pay for something they've always gotten for free. So fuck the under-30's (they usually have little to no $ anyway). When you get to the over 40's - those with money, busy lives and responsibilities - they WILL PAY, for the convenience of not searching through free tubes for hours JUST to find that short-haired big-titted blonde they love to jerk it to.

So what do "older" porn fans WANT? Design your tours for THEM, focus your marketing skills on THEM, appeal to THEM and their needs. And guess what? Most people in this category do NOT want to visit a porn tour that looks like they just walked into a Red Light District in Amsterdam. Flashing GIFs, this element POPPING in their face, music screeching in their ears.....

Finally, if you're an under-40 adult webmaster then chances are you're struggling BIG TIME. NOT because you didn't get into the biz soon enough but because the way you view the world doesn't "match" your customer's expectations. You're marketing like a 28 year old and have no clue what the 44 year old porn BUYER wants, and what will motivate him to open his wallet.

So check yoself b4 you wreck yoself.

</RANT>

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17418156)

You must of never seen a live show with people clambering to get a glimpse. :)

The only thing that holds us back is the cost. With so much spent to get people to the tour there's not enough left for the members area.

Let's dream that 100% of websites lock down content. What will the pirates do? They will take content from DVDs. Porn exists beyond the Internet. :winkwink:

Of course I can come up with ways to make better content. The problem is getting sponsors to pay for it. You can't do much with the prices being paid for content today.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17418156)

Yes but with the vast majority of surfers not buying anything who should we target.

Originally Posted by RK (Post 17418358)

Of course the people who like webcams are "clambering to get a glimpse" in a webcam show. That doesn't change the fact that most people don't like webcams. Your logic is flawed.

If you are confident the "live shows as part of membership" will work, why don't you do it? Why do you have to wait for somebody else to pay you for the content? If you think it will work, you should try it to take the risk and keep the reward.

You are confused. If you have content which is only found on your website, and it is 100% locked down online, and you never put it on DVD, then the pirates will never get hold of it.

You have been saying the same thing for so long that you just keep repeating yourself, even when presented with new facts and ideas.

Originally Posted by RK (Post 17418369)

You are thinking: They won't buy because they are not buyers.
My position: They are not buying because what you are selling is not good enough.

This is not communism. There is no such thing as "buyers" and "non buyers," the only difference between your potential customers is how good of a product you need to have before they become willing to pay for it. The better the product, and the value of it, the greater % of people will take out their CC.

This should all be obvious to you by now.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 17418189)

What I find most stunning about the tubes is the incredible traffic they receive. We used to drool over The Hun's daily traffic figures, but many of these tubes put even a peak Hun to shame.

The top TGPs screwed up by clinging to the same process for too long, which in turn caused the smaller TGPs to do the same since submitters weren't going to create one version for submission to the "TGP mafia" and another for the more liberal TGP owners. In fact, I don't think the submission rules really even changed over a 10+ year period.

With all of this traffic that the largest tubes get, it now seems pretty clear that surfers disliked the TGP format all these years. You can of course get into the argument of longer, higher quality material, but I think the general presentation of that material played a huge role in surfers leaving the TGP for the tube.

Originally Posted by BarryP (Post 17411196)

Paysite owners said TGP's were a joke in '97 -- same shit, different decade.

Originally Posted by RK (Post 17418369)

You are thinking: They won't buy because they are not buyers.
My position: They are not buying because what you are selling is not good enough.

This is not communism. There is no such thing as "buyers" and "non buyers," the only difference between your potential customers is how good of a product you need to have before they become willing to pay for it. The better the product, and the value of it, the greater % of people will take out their CC.

This should all be obvious to you by now.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 17418189)

With all of this traffic that the largest tubes get, it now seems pretty clear that surfers disliked the TGP format all these years. You can of course get into the argument of longer, higher quality material, but I think the general presentation of that material played a huge role in surfers leaving the TGP for the tube.

Originally Posted by Jaeger (Post 17418858)

Dude thats it right there... it is NOT about what the surfers want, the fucking surfers want it all for free of course! But we should tease them and only give them a little so they buy... this is the problem. Give them what they want, which is everything for free, they wont fucking buy.

Ive always been about limited samples and it used to work...