the truth is the non believers dont want to beleive

You should get into Jesus - you have the fundamentals to be a great bible thumper.

Look, it's not that I dont want to believe. I dont CARE either way. Therefore, I have no agenda for or against. I'm thinking with my own head. And with my own stupid human headgunk, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would go through all kinds of technical bullshit requiring thousands of people to stick to a script for their entire lives, rather than just hire 20 losers who think they're going to be martyrs.

the problem is that many people on this board will believe the mainstream media and official govt line on just about anything as long as it suits their belief system.

sadly that belief system consists of the antiquated outlook that "the sky is blue and the earth is green. the world is black and white. i believe everything everyone else believes."

many people are afraid of radical concepts because they need to have safety in numbers. when a divergent concept emerges they immediately reject it as false, impossible, stupid etc.

the media and powers that be realize this and plant ridiculous claims and theories in the news from some "wingnut" which makes the case for any conspiracy seem ridiculous, so the knee jerk reaction is always "you gotta be retarded to believe that nonsense, those conspiracy whack jobs are just crazy."

in this case you have some guy with video footage of a "ball" apparently flying into one of the towers, and there was no second plane. okay, common sense and eye witness accounts (possibly including your own) will tell you that in instead of the planes being added to these videos, the "ball" was added to the video to perpetuate another hoax.

this is a successful ploy to confirm in people's minds that ANY conspiracy surrounding 9/11 is ludicrous, so people laugh it off and go back to their daily banal routines.

The above is not worthy of comment...other than it is pigshit.

great post :thumbsup perfect

Yes, that is a brilliantly thought out, well argued, undeniable argument.

Well done.

not sure if to :thumbsup or :1orglaugh

No, it wasn't until the 2nd impact and the 3rd Pentagon attack that the FAA ordered all planes grounded all aircraft and any currently in the air diverted back or out of US airspace.

Remember, the first impact was viewed as an accident. It wasn't until the second tower was hit that everyone was screaming terrorism.

It's hilarious that you tried to insult my education when you show such an obvious lack of it. Allow me to do what you didn't have the initiative to do yourself, and educate you.

1) A ".com" is not a reliable source of information - ever. You would get laughed out of any credible institution for stating a thesis with a .com as a reference.

2) Your argument contains a logical fallacy. Therefore, the entire argument fails.

You have stated that you are more apt to believe that there is equipment on the underside of the plane because "Air Force Personnel" have confirmed it. The reason this is a fallacy is because, even under the assumption that they are what they say they are, a much larger number of Air Force personnel have come forward and discredited such notions. In order for this premise to be true, ALL Air Force personnel would have to be in agreement. This is known as a fallacy of accident, or a sweeping generalization.

Furthermore, you have amended your original statement to include "military personnel".

Guess what Chachi?

I happen to be military personnel, and I disagree.

*** For the record, I didn't even make it all the way through video one. As soon as he started saying that there must have been witnesses planted on the ground, I realized he was a fucking moron. I know several people who witnessed the second plane hitting first hand.

You have to take into account that there are dozens, if not hundreds of organizations that would benefit by spreading doubt and misinformation in regards to Sept. 11th. Everything from foreign intelligence, to terrorist supporters, to our own intelligence services using it to keep an eye on whoever takes the ball and runs with it. I could think of at least 100 different groups, all with different agendas, that would benefit from videos like this.

Successful wars are not won with bombs and tanks. They are won with knowledge and deception. Do I believe in the OFFICIAL version of events? Of course not. The details of anything concerning national security are usually very murky. Missing debris could simply be that the government is being very tight lipped about how the debris was collected and stored. There are undoubtedly going to be things that are kept tightly under wraps in regards to 9/11, but it's a big leap to assume that if some things don't add up here and there, that it's because the US government planned the whole thing all along. Things might not add up, but it doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.

I think it is important to keep an open mind... saying it definately wasnt a conspiracy or it definately was a conspiracy is immature. Im not sure what happened..

I will tell you this though, eyewitness accounts are not as reliable as you think, I have a psych degree and we did a lot of study on that, people's memories can be influenced by suggestive language and other things after the events, in one study i think it was 1/3 of people were convinced to believe they were abused as a child even though they were not. I cant remember all the studies now, but keep in mind eyewitness accounts are not as reliable as you might think.

Just because some idiot thinks a shadow is some mysterious ball, people are talking about this shit. Wow.

[QUOTE=Blackamooka;17444421 I know several people who witnessed the second plane hitting first hand.[/QUOTE]

My husband was a witness.

I also have a psych degree, and working on a masters in psych. :thumbsup The phenomenon you are referring to is known as a schema. It is the method that our minds use to integrate and reconstruct a framework of knowledge based on assumptions about people, objects and events. The likelihood that thousands of people would all have the exact same schema is virtually impossible. Please show me one eye witness that says they saw something other than a plane.

some people saw a large plane, some saw a small plane and some saw no plane at all just an explosion

Where, what people? When? Who are these people you are talking about?

You are just mis-regurgitating something you read on some truther website, idiot.

The only thing worse than a 9/11 truther is a 9/11 truther-parasite who doesn't do any of their own 'research; or 'thinking'.. they just rely on the 'thinking' and 'research' of other nut jobs.

I repeat some people saw a large plane, some saw a small plane and some saw no plane at all just an explosion, these were eyewitness , just watch the videos footage from CNN and NBC etc, this has nothing to do with any conspiricy website.

Wow... just wow.

I guess the moon landing was fake too, and also there was no such thing as the holocaust. Please tell me people who believe this shit don't get to vote ...

the moon landing happened.

but the video we all watched from them outside the first time...that was all faked

when they got back to check the video..they realized they didnt protect the camera for radiation

thus you have a 2 mile stage of the moon landing in arizona...where stanley kuprick shot the staged moon stuff for them.

now he lives in a castle in france afraid to come outside because he thinks the us government will kill him...just because so many others involved have died...under mysterious circumstances

You gotta love 70's :)

- 2 Planes hit the towers
- The towers most definitely had explosives in them
- The planes may or may not have had passengers in them / may or may not have been commercial planes
- Seems like there was something attached to both planes
- A plane, or at least not the commercial plane referenced, did NOT hit the Pentagon
- No plane crash landed in Pennsylvania
- Simply could not have been the plan of Al-Qaeda / Osama Bin Laden
- I feel sorry for Americans but the truth is the truth, and as an American I could imagine it would be hard to stomach/accept.

quoted for being absolutely, totally wrong.

Check out time index 2:20 if nothing else.

so you are saying the government is behind mythbusters too? interesting.

OMG now I know Adam and Jamie are all part of the conspiricy :helpme

Thanks for stating your reasoning as to why. You're only about as big of an idiot as Glenn Beck, and with a Justin Bieber avatar to boot! Congrats. ~~ Good luck. :thumbsup

throttle back jumbo jet.

i don't argue with you 9/11 truthertards anymore. i just point my finger at cha and lolz with the rest of us that can think on our own.

sorry but that statement is funny

how does the cnn and popular mechanics koolaid taste?

meanwhile...you ignore pilots for truth...fire fighters for truth

physics professors for truth

demoltions experts for truth

all people working in the field they need to be in to be so called experts..these people you dont believe....but cnn...which has been expsed countless times to be a shill...you swallow all that medicine easily


ah well...let us know when you plan on posting another high speed adventure online

that was fuckin funny

this statement is as baffling as it is comical... as a sane person listening to people who believe an insanely fictional theory, yes we don't want to believe it because we like our sanity. You guys go ahead and believe your crack pots who make up loony tunes fake videos for you tube but stop trying to infect sane people with your delusions.

Please, just tell me. Just give me something that discredits that little documentary I watched posted above. I'm completely open to both sides, and I don't typically indulge in this stuff. Just give me the opposing evidence to say - that documentary posted above (not the ball one, the one that was just posted) so that I too can "think for myself" :thumbsup

glad you find that funny, phoenix. i want to lolz at you too but your ability to ASSume is beyond funny, combined with your drinking truther kool-aid makes it hypocritical and sad.

Someone link a 9/11 documentary / video / news report that supports the official claim of what happened. I want to think for myself and be "sane" :thumbsup

not gonna happen. i've tried to have adult dialogue on here about it and have posted TONS of physics related facts in an attempt to have truthers admit they MIGHT be wrong, but all that happens is same ole same ole- dodge and deflect.

So link an old post of yours or a youtube video that supports the same physics related facts you're suggesting :thumbsup

It's not a matter of believing cnn or anything other than simple common sense and physics.

Simple common sense to me looks like those buildings fucking imploded from demolition... I'm not a physics expert and maybe I'm just a fucking idiot

Anything I've watched about explosives being planted in the buildings seems to make sense to me, or be 'common sense'

To believe anything otherwise, I'm going to need one of you GFY physics experts to lead me in the right direction. :thumbsup

why? you've already proven yourself to make personal attacks in reaction to comments. fact is, i couldn't care less what you think about 9/11.

There's still debris from the car :uhoh ... what am I missing?? :uhoh

So what? Are your feelings hurt because you're a faggot? First you won't tell me why, then you think I'm going to deflect or defuse or whatever the fuck (which is what you are doing now) then I say to do something really simple like just link one of your old posts or a video that goes along with your standpoint... and so far you won't do anything :disgust

So it really makes sense to you that the massive amounts of explosives needed were somehow hidden in the building, attached perfectly to the supporting structure and worked flawlessly even after the building was hit by an airplane? All of this, a job that would take literally months and months to do in the open assuming you were not hiding the explosives, was done without anybody noticing and by a team of people that have kept absolutely silent on the matter. That really makes sense to you?

It's no wonder that nobody wants to argue with you about it.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh self-ownage is so fun to watch.

I have no idea how long it would take something like that to setup... it just looks like a demolition to me... then I watch videos where apparent 'experts', bystanders, and interviewers alike, all support the notion that the buildings were demolished.

Then they report that security was removed/etc/etc. That's besides the architects saying the building was made to be able to withstand a plane collision / etc. Not to mention shit attached to the bottom of the plane and the unexplainable damage to the pentagon and lack of debris/damage at the Pennsylvania crash site... just saying... if all of that is a load of fucking crap then just link me the vid or report that discredits it... To me - that much is common sense. If I'm that much of a fucking idiot then just take 5 minutes to show me why it isn't common sense. :thumbsup

:uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh

All I can think of reading some of this, is for the sake of the future of the human race, please don't fucking reproduce.

Some people believe in John Edwards. Go figure.

Bump for answers :thumbsup

So, basically what you guys are trying to say is that all the victims and all of the people who were actually there and saw the whole thing with their own eyes were idiots and were duped by the man. But, you guys were smart enough to piece together what really happened with nothing but a series of YouTube videos.

Okay :thumbsup