hmm and i wonder who you might be eh?

the enlightened one :warning

no doubt something is very fishy about 911

i never know wtf to believe anymore.

For every piece of "evidence" 9/11 truthers put forward, there are literally thousands of pieces of evidence and thousands of eye witnesses that they can't account for in their theories, and instead of refuting it, they just ignore it and act like everyone else is just a "sheep". Any idiot can make a case for conspiracy on ANY historical event. Spend 5 minutes in a room with Derren Brown and he'd probably have you all convinced that 9/11 was the brainchild of Hitler and carried out by the Teletubbies. The fact is that there is not a single piece of empirical evidence to support your theories, so you are claiming to be "in the know" based on "tantalizing" evidence. That makes you neither logical, nor skeptical. That just makes you gullible.

To the contrary, there is a massive amount of TANGIBLE, EMPIRICAL evidence to support that the opposite is true, including THOUSANDS OF EYE WITNESSES and hundreds of victims on the planes (many of which called their families and described exactly what was happening on the planes before they died). There is an easy solution here . Instead of listening to some retarded YouTube video, why don't you contact the victims families and ask them if their dead loved ones were just CIA plants and are actually living in the Bahamas right now. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you.

well said but still there are far too many things that dont add up, there is no reckage from any of the planes not even the plane which crashed in a field, the planes are made of aluminum and they cut through the wtc steel and concrete like butter, it just doesnt make sense to me. I wish it wasnt true but the whole thing stinks.

so they actually let conspiracy nuts like you vote?

Its not even funny to laugh at all these fruitcakes anymore, the real sheep are the ones who will believe any and every stupid conspiracy theory there is out there instead of using simple reasoning and rational thought to come to a more obvious but perhaps more boring conclusion. Its just sad and really does the people who died a great injustice.

I saw it on TV. It's for real yo.

It's 9/11 not 911:2 cents:

More movies http://www.freedocumentaries.org/index_cat.php?cat=23

This ex pro-wrestler turned bit actor knows what's up:

http://chuckpalahniuk.net/files/imag...-ventura-5.jpg

He doesn't sound crazy AT ALL in interviews.... nor look it.

if we don't learn from the past, history will repeat itself

nevermind

ok convince me by explaining all the inconsistencies

I don't really see any inconsistencies, the facts are out there and all the evidence points to a bunch of terrorists simultaneously hijacking aircraft and crashing into the WTC. Its just people who want to believe something more than what is and grasping at straws to try and prove their point and desperate to convince others of their righteousness.

The size of such a conspiracy alone and the logistics of it make it next to impossible to fake, let alone the flaky motives they claim are behind perpetrating such an event.

they were not 747's

I am very open minded and have looked very deeply into the 9/11 attacks footage, I dont believe all the theories but too many things just stink and I am not alone because 54% of the population think the attacks were nothing to do with al qaeda. im only staing facts here.

sure but 51% of the american population believe in creationism too and 18% apparently believe the earth is the center of the universe so...

The ball is the shadow from the right engine projected onto the right portion of the center of the plane

You are all fucking stupid!

this is getting tiresome so to shut you up (although i somehow doubt it will) i will refer to your earlier enlightened post-
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html#Nelson
yes genius Col George Nelson (interviewed in video 2) along with the 100's of other pilots and military personnel are just actors hired by a huge loony conspiracy group to prove their point;)
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

while it is true that these aviation experts could be wrong about their theories while you, a learned gfy'er, are most assuredly correct in your knowledgeable assumptions of reality, you ultimately win the prize for applied ignorance:thumbsup

http://www.londonninja.com/wp-conten...rren_brown.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7491/hescryingnow.jpg

you people who believe even a shred of this cockamaymee conspiracy theory are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet

the truth is the non believers dont want to beleive

You should get into Jesus - you have the fundamentals to be a great bible thumper.

Look, it's not that I dont want to believe. I dont CARE either way. Therefore, I have no agenda for or against. I'm thinking with my own head. And with my own stupid human headgunk, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would go through all kinds of technical bullshit requiring thousands of people to stick to a script for their entire lives, rather than just hire 20 losers who think they're going to be martyrs.

the problem is that many people on this board will believe the mainstream media and official govt line on just about anything as long as it suits their belief system.

sadly that belief system consists of the antiquated outlook that "the sky is blue and the earth is green. the world is black and white. i believe everything everyone else believes."

many people are afraid of radical concepts because they need to have safety in numbers. when a divergent concept emerges they immediately reject it as false, impossible, stupid etc.

the media and powers that be realize this and plant ridiculous claims and theories in the news from some "wingnut" which makes the case for any conspiracy seem ridiculous, so the knee jerk reaction is always "you gotta be retarded to believe that nonsense, those conspiracy whack jobs are just crazy."

in this case you have some guy with video footage of a "ball" apparently flying into one of the towers, and there was no second plane. okay, common sense and eye witness accounts (possibly including your own) will tell you that in instead of the planes being added to these videos, the "ball" was added to the video to perpetuate another hoax.

this is a successful ploy to confirm in people's minds that ANY conspiracy surrounding 9/11 is ludicrous, so people laugh it off and go back to their daily banal routines.

The above is not worthy of comment...other than it is pigshit.

great post :thumbsup perfect

Yes, that is a brilliantly thought out, well argued, undeniable argument.

Well done.

not sure if to :thumbsup or :1orglaugh

No, it wasn't until the 2nd impact and the 3rd Pentagon attack that the FAA ordered all planes grounded all aircraft and any currently in the air diverted back or out of US airspace.

Remember, the first impact was viewed as an accident. It wasn't until the second tower was hit that everyone was screaming terrorism.

It's hilarious that you tried to insult my education when you show such an obvious lack of it. Allow me to do what you didn't have the initiative to do yourself, and educate you.

1) A ".com" is not a reliable source of information - ever. You would get laughed out of any credible institution for stating a thesis with a .com as a reference.

2) Your argument contains a logical fallacy. Therefore, the entire argument fails.

You have stated that you are more apt to believe that there is equipment on the underside of the plane because "Air Force Personnel" have confirmed it. The reason this is a fallacy is because, even under the assumption that they are what they say they are, a much larger number of Air Force personnel have come forward and discredited such notions. In order for this premise to be true, ALL Air Force personnel would have to be in agreement. This is known as a fallacy of accident, or a sweeping generalization.

Furthermore, you have amended your original statement to include "military personnel".

Guess what Chachi?

I happen to be military personnel, and I disagree.

*** For the record, I didn't even make it all the way through video one. As soon as he started saying that there must have been witnesses planted on the ground, I realized he was a fucking moron. I know several people who witnessed the second plane hitting first hand.

You have to take into account that there are dozens, if not hundreds of organizations that would benefit by spreading doubt and misinformation in regards to Sept. 11th. Everything from foreign intelligence, to terrorist supporters, to our own intelligence services using it to keep an eye on whoever takes the ball and runs with it. I could think of at least 100 different groups, all with different agendas, that would benefit from videos like this.

Successful wars are not won with bombs and tanks. They are won with knowledge and deception. Do I believe in the OFFICIAL version of events? Of course not. The details of anything concerning national security are usually very murky. Missing debris could simply be that the government is being very tight lipped about how the debris was collected and stored. There are undoubtedly going to be things that are kept tightly under wraps in regards to 9/11, but it's a big leap to assume that if some things don't add up here and there, that it's because the US government planned the whole thing all along. Things might not add up, but it doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.

I think it is important to keep an open mind... saying it definately wasnt a conspiracy or it definately was a conspiracy is immature. Im not sure what happened..

I will tell you this though, eyewitness accounts are not as reliable as you think, I have a psych degree and we did a lot of study on that, people's memories can be influenced by suggestive language and other things after the events, in one study i think it was 1/3 of people were convinced to believe they were abused as a child even though they were not. I cant remember all the studies now, but keep in mind eyewitness accounts are not as reliable as you might think.

Just because some idiot thinks a shadow is some mysterious ball, people are talking about this shit. Wow.

[QUOTE=Blackamooka;17444421 I know several people who witnessed the second plane hitting first hand.[/QUOTE]

My husband was a witness.

I also have a psych degree, and working on a masters in psych. :thumbsup The phenomenon you are referring to is known as a schema. It is the method that our minds use to integrate and reconstruct a framework of knowledge based on assumptions about people, objects and events. The likelihood that thousands of people would all have the exact same schema is virtually impossible. Please show me one eye witness that says they saw something other than a plane.

some people saw a large plane, some saw a small plane and some saw no plane at all just an explosion

Where, what people? When? Who are these people you are talking about?

You are just mis-regurgitating something you read on some truther website, idiot.

The only thing worse than a 9/11 truther is a 9/11 truther-parasite who doesn't do any of their own 'research; or 'thinking'.. they just rely on the 'thinking' and 'research' of other nut jobs.

I repeat some people saw a large plane, some saw a small plane and some saw no plane at all just an explosion, these were eyewitness , just watch the videos footage from CNN and NBC etc, this has nothing to do with any conspiricy website.

Wow... just wow.

I guess the moon landing was fake too, and also there was no such thing as the holocaust. Please tell me people who believe this shit don't get to vote ...