Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 17447889)

I love my girlfriend and can live like man and wife but as far as having a state enforced contract (marriage), no fucking way!! That is just stupid!!

My girl tried to pull a power move one time. It was 4 month after my daughter was born. She was upset because of my work schedule and how work was always first in my lists of priorities. She wanted me to change and i said no. I worked hard before we were together and im not gonna stop now.


She got upset and told me she was done and she was gonna leave me. i told her where the good luggage was, let her pack up some of her stuff, she took my daughter and left the house.

I showed no emotions and told her, "sorry you feel that way, here is some money and good luck to you and i hope you find your happiness". It was crushing inside, but could not let her see it effect me at all or it would seriously change the relationship dynamics. When women know what will fuck with you, they will use it to get you when they fight with you. Seen that shit happen to my friends often.


Being married to my girl, and my girl knowing she could take half of my shit on the way out would have really made for good amo in her argument or give her serious tools to really fuck my day up. keep in mind when women are pissed, they will go to extreme lengths to fuck with you. Taking half of your shit is one of these things.

I have had friends get their most prized possessions taken from them in divorces and given to their ex wife's new boyfriends. Harley Davidson motor cycles, sports cars, Rolex watches, tools, jet skis, etc. Seen grown men cry over that shit too.

OJ Simpson payed his Ex wife 22K per month and gave up half his shit. OJ saw his ex wife's boy toy driving his car, living off of his money and went ape shit and killed both of them. Not saying its right, but some men in that situation can definitely understand the anger and frustration of getting hosed in a divorce.




Long story short, i played it cool for two days, did not raise my voice and was really relaxed for this whole "im leaving you" crap. My girlfriend came to her senses and realized that im not gonna change and i don't play games. Needless to say, that was the last argument or fight we ever had.


When you pay all of the bills, all of the cars are in your name, the house is in your name, your girl does not have to work at all and you 2 are not legally married, your girl is less likely to try and fight with you or fuck with you. She may push one time and on that one time, you let her go with out fighting with her, you will have a drama free existence from then on with your mate.


If you really want to fuck your relationship up, get married. First year law school made me see marriage for what it really was. A seriously flawed one sided contract. Fuck that!!



Only one exception to this "don't get married rule". If the girl has way more than you and you don't have to work, get married. I have had a 3 friends in that position.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17448643)

it doesn't really matter if you get married or not. after living together for a few years you are considered common law and she can still take half of everything..its pretty sad that you feel you have to make her feel powerless to have a decent relationship.

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 17448696)

Its funny that you feel the need to repeat things that you hear from pieces of conversations such as "common law" and put it together as some sort of fact to support some sort of argument on a subject you clearly no nothing about.

You are too funny.




Powerless?? Funny. My relationship is simple and very non-complex. If either one of us is not happy we can easily leave. Keep in mind my girlfriend is very attractive and can find a guy really quick if she chose to do so.


Not being married keeps us both constantly working on the relationship. Seems that when most people get married, one or both quit working on their relationship which ultimately leads to relationship failure or divorce.


We have no intentions of splitting up or do i feel the need to fuck around outside my relationship. This works for us and this girl is the one for me. At 39 years old with never being married and absolutely knowing what i want and don't want, and i am truly happy. We are happy together and live as man and wife without the contract.

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 17447593)

That's exactly right, I myself have been with my woman for nearly 20 years now, we didn't get married until after being together for 10 of those years and in that time, in that time I learned everything I needed to know before taking the plunge.

I know soooo many people that just rush into things and in most cases, those marriages ended in divorce. My cousin married a girl before moving in, that's the worst mistake anyone could make because once he lived with her, he realized they just couldn't co-exist in the same house. Since then he's divorced that girl, rushed into another marriage and that one is in a divorce, now again he found "THE girl", so it won't be long before he's married a third time.

Marriage isn't bad at all if you're in it with the right person. I love my wife so much and could never see myself without her.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 17447623)

he probably got married before he became successful... aren't you married yourself though?

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17448805)

He got married in 2004, he enjoys banging other women. Not one, not two. over a dozen.
Why get married.

I've been there, done that. But at the end of the day, you still come home to a lonely house.
Yes, I got married a couple years ago and now have Twins. Did a complete 360 and don't regret it a bit. I'm just glad I did what I did in the past, or I would think I'm missing out on something. I don't miss it a bit.

Tiger travels and loves banging whores, if that's what you are into, don't get married, Period.

Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17448812)

Just guessing but it seems like he got married because its something his advisors suggested. A married (to a swedish bikini model) father of 2 on the pro tour makes more endorsement dollars than a single guy banging multiple whores. He just couldnt keep it in his pants and make the charade work.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17448720)

I've been with my girl for 8 years and we aren't married (probably longer than you even). If you feel you won't lose anything in a divorce just because you aren't married, you'd be wrong.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17448720)

Your sentence where you say, everything is in your name, she won't fuck with you as much is what I was referring to. I guess if she worked and you guys split things equally you would feel vunerable?

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17448720)

She may be attractive but she has no job and you own everything, well should you two ever split up and she wants to be a prick, you'd have to shell out alimony.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 17447321)

90% of people have similar experiences, the other 10% lie... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17449047)

LOL, some of you guys act like marriage is a fuckin' death sentence. :1orglaugh

jeez, if she annoys you that much, you can get out of it.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17448780)

I'd also like to add...

If you do get married, make sure your real assets are offshore and set up with a nominee director. Don't ever, ever tell her about it. She can only take what they can find. If you set it up right, you'll only lose what you allow her to have.

But its best if you never forget: If it floats, flies or fucks, it's cheaper to rent it.

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17449417)

Actually its really cheap to buy a used boat and rent it out or do charter tours.. Ive looked into it.


Sabby:)

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17449430)

not really.. my friend here has a boat.. costs him a shit load in insurance, docking, maintenance, etc, and he only uses it maybe a few times a month..

i can rent the same boat for $80/hr.. much better to just go rent it for 1-2hrs every few weeks when you need it.. .same for airplanes.. even when you are not flying, you are paying for maintenance/hanger fees

hence why if it flies, floats, or fucks, rent it

Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17448968)

If you don't marry and don't get kids, when you become OLD, you will feel very solitaire and when you become 70 or 80, and you are alone (because all your friends were friends to use you and your money) then you will maybe want to die, because nobody cares about you, you have no children, no wife, nothing.... so sad... nobody will remember your existence when you die because you left nothing... nobody...

Even if you are a 50 year old RETRO Hippie who didn't grow up and you still feel young, because you are drive your bike... soon or late you will be hit by depression for feeling alone... Even if you decide to travel to Thailand when you become 60, following the american dream adopted during Vietnam War of old suckers gettign young asian women... even if that... you will be a solitaire dog... remember.

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 17449507)

And if your divorce is a real horror show (as they oftentimes are) all of the above will apply regardless.

Except... you'll die a lot poorer.

Lots of folks just aren't cut out for marriage. THINK it through, with your big head, before you jump.

Originally Posted by TrixieRacer (Post 17449537)

Statistics show that 90% of people are not as happy as they were when they first married just 4 years after taking their vows. Scary.

If you're going to have kids, it totally makes sense to get married. Kids should have a stable home. Otherwise, I'm not sure what advantages there are except aquiring residency in a country.

On a side note, in the United States if you and your spouse both make good money and file your taxes separately, you'll pay even more in taxes than if you were each single.

Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17449521)

If you can manage to stay mentally sane when you are 70 years old with no children and living alone... nobody does.

it must be depressing as hell to live for nothing and die alone... So SAD and so depressing... Imagine being alone in the desert, nobody gives a fuck about you and you are 80 years old, living the rest of your days, lonely... So Sad, dude... seriously.

The way of life you guys show, is great and possible when you are 20 or 30.. yeah.. you can manage to be alone and fuck girls and never marry... but you will become old eventually and you will regret what you did...

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 17448992)

Is this your law degree talking? Or is this something you think you herd in Divorce Court TV or The Peoples Court? My law degree says you really don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I finished law school have you? My little brother is a trial attorney, my father is an attorney who specializes in contracts and a lot of my close friends (who i went to law school with) are attorneys with LLM's in tax and real property.


And your education is???????? A friend of a friend? A friend of a friend who knows an attorney? Google?




With your above statement, you are making an assumption that we come into this relationship with an equal amount of assets. Im not gonna sit here and list what i have and how many businesses i currently own, that are not adult related. But i will definitely tell you that it is enough that no matter who you start to date, you will always wonder if she really likes you for you, or for what you got.


3,500 square foot House with pool and gates in LA county, 2 3K square foot fully loaded studios rental studios loaded with gear, a mainstream laser lighting company with a steady 10 year cliental, etc.

If you dont try and protect what you bring into the relationship, you are a complete fool!!




I see that you haven't been paying attention to what ever TV show you get your law from.

She will not get "alimony". Not possible. She may get "Palimony" which i would not mind paying her. And i would pay what ever amount and then some for child support. Paying all of that would never be an issue.

Breaking up all of my assets to give her half of what i worked for my whole life is where i seriously draw the line. This is why i do not believe in marriage.


I do understand the rules and laws governing marriage and "Community Property" and where they are applicable. Do you Mr. Black Crayon???



I do love my girlfriend and i do not see it ending or ending badly. But at the same time my logical side forced me to have a plan in place where if things do end badly, I have an "out" that doesn't set me back with less than than i came into the relationship with.(most people do not have that kind of foresight and end up loosing their asses in divorce) SO SADD!!



On a final note; If we both people come into the relation ship with the same things or nothing and they amass a moderate fortune, i would think that my girlfriend or spouse would be entitled to half. But that is clearly not my situation and those facts are not applicable to me and my situation.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by TrixieRacer (Post 17449537)

Statistics show that 90% of people are not as happy as they were when they first married just 4 years after taking their vows. Scary.

If you're going to have kids, it totally makes sense to get married. Kids should have a stable home. Otherwise, I'm not sure what advantages there are except aquiring residency in a country.

On a side note, in the United States if you and your spouse both make good money and file your taxes separately, you'll pay even more in taxes than if you were each single.

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17449529)

I have been fortunate to give birth to 3 brilliant children,,, all air signs,,,

I was blessed with one of each... Gemini, Aquarius, Libra.. they dont fight.. best of friends.. all a yr and a half apart from eachother..

air signs can be emotionally detached.. (though they will pay to put me in a home so they dont have to deal with me).


Sabby:)

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17449982)

There are other benefits to marriage, i.e. getting on your spouse's health insurance, because if two people are straight and living together, they get fuck all.... if you're gay and living with someone it's cool. There are other benefits as well. It depends on what you want and what you don't want, and then you have to weigh the options. There's no one right answer for everyone.

On the taxes, file jointly to save money.

Originally Posted by TrixieRacer (Post 17450045)

Without children, do these benefits outweight the risk of possibly losing half?