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Amputate Your Head 09-14-2010 11:30 AM

what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

AmateurFlix 09-14-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17501607)
so the whole healthcare thing is.. run of the mill for politics in the states?

one of the two gangs of idiots which dominate our congress is always trying to usurp constitutional authority which they do not have, restrict the freedoms of those whom they supposedly represent, and write laws which actually benefit the very corporations which they publicly ridicule and defame (it's important to put on at least a facade of being on the side of their constituents).

so yeah, it was pretty run of the mill, the only part of it which wasn't, was that one political party controlled all of the (no longer existant) checks and balances, so they were able to pass much more extremist legislation than they would have been able to during a more normal political era. the last time we had similar naseuating actions forced upon us was also when one party controlled everything, i.e. the patriot act etc.

the government here only works as it is intended when the political parties are in gridlock with one another and have no choice but to cooperate with their opposition. when each side takes a turn at total control, they just end up swinging from one extremist vision to the other, with each taking power and freedoms away from those whom they are supposed to represent.

TheDoc 09-14-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17502025)
what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

In an overall scheme of slavery, working for the man, producing someone else's grand wealth, paying taxes on everything-every way, systems created on top of systems to mask the truth... we are all sheep, even the President.

I would say most of what we get, is much of the same from them all... but that 5% or 10% that is different, under the right President make for huge changes.

IllTestYourGirls 09-14-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17501845)
People keep saying that, but if it were true, then why are the largest corporations spending BILLIONS on anti-Obama ads and propaganda?

When the Health Insurance companies, Big Oil, and greedy fucks like the Koch Bros, are spending this much money to destroy Obama - then I am 100% PRO-OBAMA!

Do the math...

Why is Soros spending billions on anti tea party and anti Beck propaganda? Just because they are Corporatist does not mean they are wanting the same corporations to benefit. You do the math.

BFT3K 09-14-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17502076)
Why is Soros spending billions on anti tea party and anti Beck propaganda? Just because they are Corporatist does not mean they are wanting the same corporations to benefit. You do the math.

And Soros is a threat to you, how?

http://www.soros.org/

By arguing my point, you are just another fucking pawn for the corporate owners that own you.

George Soros does not have an evil agenda. :2 cents:

Vendzilla 09-14-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17502025)
what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

I think it matters, but in the opening post, no mention of who is the president, just that the president was a democrat.
I may hate Barry as a spinless idiot, but 545 people are responsible for this mess we're in, and listening the democrats saying things will get better is getting boring, they had a good set up when they took office in 2006, now look at things, but hey, they need more time, more time to do what, fuck things up more?

alessergod 09-14-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17502095)
I think it matters, but in the opening post, no mention of who is the president, just that the president was a democrat.
I may hate Barry as a spinless idiot, but 545 people are responsible for this mess we're in, and listening the democrats saying things will get better is getting boring, they had a good set up when they took office in 2006, now look at things, but hey, they need more time, more time to do what, fuck things up more?


Yes they did take power in '06 but did not have the 60 senators needed to beat a filibuster until 08 but that included the independent Liberman. Without the 60 number nothing of significance could get through. Plus Bush threatened to veto anything he did not agree with. So in reality they only had the power to pass major legislaton for about a year and a half as Scott Brown gave the GOP 41 when he got elected after Kennedy died.

_Richard_ 09-14-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17501622)
You mean the 2300 page bill that Pelosi said she didn't know what was in it and that promised to lower the debt and lower healthcare rates? The bill that since it's passage, healthcare rates have risen around 20%?

Is that the healthcare thing you're talking about?

that's the one!

the rates have increased by 20% since march? that's highway robbery

thank god you're getting your public optio.. oh way

right

_Richard_ 09-14-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix (Post 17502054)
one of the two gangs of idiots which dominate our congress is always trying to usurp constitutional authority which they do not have, restrict the freedoms of those whom they supposedly represent, and write laws which actually benefit the very corporations which they publicly ridicule and defame (it's important to put on at least a facade of being on the side of their constituents).

so yeah, it was pretty run of the mill, the only part of it which wasn't, was that one political party controlled all of the (no longer existant) checks and balances, so they were able to pass much more extremist legislation than they would have been able to during a more normal political era. the last time we had similar naseuating actions forced upon us was also when one party controlled everything, i.e. the patriot act etc.

the government here only works as it is intended when the political parties are in gridlock with one another and have no choice but to cooperate with their opposition. when each side takes a turn at total control, they just end up swinging from one extremist vision to the other, with each taking power and freedoms away from those whom they are supposed to represent.

while i agree with what you're saying i find your attitude slightly jaded

Obama has done the same or better in furthering most of Bushes policies, with the exception of healthcare.

healthcare, is political suicide that has to be done.. it's just a question of if you guys get the job done in time with all the "commie-muslim-president" rhetoric that seems to be going on with no end in sight

alessergod 09-14-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17502200)
while i agree with what you're saying i find your attitude slightly jaded

Obama has done the same or better in furthering most of Bushes policies, with the exception of healthcare.

healthcare, is political suicide that has to be done.. it's just a question of if you guys get the job done in time with all the "commie-muslim-president" rhetoric that seems to be going on with no end in sight

Yeppers, The GOP proposed damn near the exact same bill a few years back but now they see it in their best interest to keep the Kenyon in his place. Wait til they get back in power and see if they really have the will to repeal it. That will show thier true stripe.

Rochard 12-29-2014 08:14 PM

Unemployment is down to 5.8%.

Amazing.

shoot twice 12-29-2014 11:21 PM

It's not the government that's at fault... It's the American people that have created the mess. Just like fast food you know it's bad but most Americans will joyfully stuff their faces because it's cheap & "tastes good".

Sure next election you'll vote Republican and in 4 to 8 years you'll be right back to complaining how bad things are. Nothing is going to change in the USA until the fundamental underlying culture that most Americans practices changes.

OldJeff 12-30-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20341779)
Unemployment is down to 5.8%.

Amazing.


So a bunch of people got part time work for the Holiday, and that number is only those currently collecting, not those that ran out of benefits, gave up looking, or took a job for much less than they were making before

Vendzilla 12-30-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20341779)
Unemployment is down to 5.8%.

Amazing.

Only thing amazing is how dense you are
http://static.ijreview.com/wp-conten...icipation1.jpg

You must have flunked math


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