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DWB 10-02-2010 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17563321)
Going on this kind of escapade is as useless as the RIAA's strategy. It hasn't worked for them, what makes you think it will work for you? Piracy isn't going to go away anytime soon, instead it's going to increase. Instead of bitching and moaning, be an innovator. Make people not WANT to pirate your shit. Net flix was revolutionary in its approach, for instance. $7.95 a month for unlimited movies and tv shows? It reduced movie piracy dramatically.
I just sent that post to everyone filing suits. Amazingly, they called it all off after reading that insightful piece and asked me to personally thank you for stopping what would be mass embarrassment and a black eye to the adult industry.

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17563321)
Make people not WANT to pirate your shit.
I think that was the part that sold them. :thumbsup

candyflip 10-02-2010 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by crazytrini85 (Post 17563361)
Tell one of your tenants to download one of Steves videos and find out?

I would think an isp can tell if more than one system is on an IP. In my old apartment we would get messages that too many computers were connected and it would reject us. If they are all connected then each computer name will be accessing it leaving some sort of trail.
This is just a house rented out by college students. It's local cable internet with wireless router that they all have access to.

They are also a group of friends and it's not uncommon for them to share laptops or connect via iPad, iPod or smartphone as well. I also know that they've had other people not living in the house using the network while visiting or working at the house.

I'm really curious as to how they can determine who was using what computer at that specific time.

Major (Tom) 10-02-2010 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17562112)
Actually it does matter if you produce content or not. If you deal with all the bullshit, buying equipment learning how to shoot with said equipment, learning editing. Sweating your balls off shooting in hot hotel rooms, lugging gear for shooting trips. Flaky models,record keeping.
If you do that you tend to feel very different about then if you are a dating site affiliate or you sell ads on some ad network. Also people on torrents arent customers.No one says boy I like these 10 gigs of porn scenes I got for nothing. Now Im going to buy a membership .
You hit the nail on the head!
Duke

will76 10-02-2010 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17563135)
I am amazed at the posts here and feel I must respond to some of the more unbelievable and misleading statements here. I would say that my thoughts on the matter should bear some credibility as I am probably the only person here who has actually sued pirates, collected money, and has software to go after pirates. Here goes:

1. "Sell a product worth paying for and you'll cut down on the downloading." Really? So the better the movie, the Less likely someone is to steal it. That makes no sense. Statistics show the most downloaded porn, or mainstream movie, is the good stuff. Why download crap when the #1 porn of the year is also available?

2. Backlash. If someone wants to stand up for the rights of pirates to steal content, I'll take that fight any day, especially in court. Stealing content is a crime. I have to believe that the most of the people defending theft are thieves. I can't believe people depending on selling content to make a living think that stealing content is ok.

3. false positives. I have not had one yet. Our firm's software is so much more advanced than RIAA, that I laugh when people mention us in the same breath as those simpletons. There are trade secrets involved, but I can say that the amount of proof we have that person X downloaded file Y at exactly Z time, etc. is pretty impressive.

4. The people we represent have content being pirated on a massive scale. I have seen attacks on people like Steve Lightspeed, saying he has old content and is not making any money anymore so he is resorting to suing pirates to make money. I do not know how much Steve earns selling content. But I can say he has massive pirating going on, so that means a lot of people want his content.

5. I will keep saying this until I am blue in the face, but here goes: We work on contingency and NEVER make more than the content producer when we do collect money for them. This canard that "all the money just goes to the lawyers" is silly. I wish I got most of the money. I have to suggest that to Steve next time I see him.

6. Blackmail. If making people pay you when you catch them stealing content is blackmail, then so is making someone pay you when they are caught stealing your car. Prosecutors tell Defendants "You agree to this plea deal, and pay X in restitution, or we go to trial and see what the jury thinks of our evidence." If someone did not do what we allege, and we are just making up our accusations, we will have the mother of all counter suits. Despite what the armchair lawyers here think, filing federal lawsuits and going before a judge appointed by the president is no minor task. Since we are batting 100% with our requests to all of the judges hearing all of our cases to date regarding discovery, and our suits in general, I would respectfully suggest that if 1/3 of the federal judges (hey, we are filing a lot, what can we say?) in the Northern District of Illinois thinks these suits have merit, I will trust them over an anonymous poster on gfy.com.

7. Some claim that lawsuits lose money. The RIAA pay their attorneys by the hour. Those attorneys are incentivized to bill as many hours as possible. I work on contingency and only make money if my client does. If my client makes 0, I make less than zero, as I front the costs of the suits. I promise to stop filing these lawsuits the minute I stop making money.

I welcome reasoned responses.
How much is the average downloader being sued for?

How much is the person who uploads the content being sued for ?

gideongallery 10-02-2010 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17563135)
I am amazed at the posts here and feel I must respond to some of the more unbelievable and misleading statements here. I would say that my thoughts on the matter should bear some credibility as I am probably the only person here who has actually sued pirates, collected money, and has software to go after pirates. Here goes:

1. "Sell a product worth paying for and you'll cut down on the downloading." Really? So the better the movie, the Less likely someone is to steal it. That makes no sense. Statistics show the most downloaded porn, or mainstream movie, is the good stuff. Why download crap when the #1 porn of the year is also available?
your half right there
yes more people will want to steal it but if you do things right like setting up a private tracker correctly, you will slow the unauthorized torrents to a crawl.

produce a better product combined with slowing down the unauthorized alternatives is more than enough to get the sales back up.

there is a better way than the we are going to publically out your porn preferences if you don't pay us blackmail scheme to do this.

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2. Backlash. If someone wants to stand up for the rights of pirates to steal content, I'll take that fight any day, especially in court. Stealing content is a crime. I have to believe that the most of the people defending theft are thieves. I can't believe people depending on selling content to make a living think that stealing content is ok.
wow a lawyer who is so fucking clueless about copyright law that he doesn't realize that infringment is closer to fraud than to theft.

but that the point, the guy fighting you in court won't be defending thieves he will be defending fair use of the content.

fact the torrents are the worlds best backup for content you don't care about confidentiality for.

every leacher becomes a redundant backup for your content (fair use of backup) the piece nature of the distribution means that during the entire process of transfer it nothing but a transient cache (fair use of cacheing). The infringement only happens when the pieces are put back in order so the copy is working. Technologically you don't have half the shit you need to do to make this case winable when you get a real fight on your hand.

unless steve is giving lifetime access to the content bought your attempting to take away that fair use right. If you were a copyright lawyer with some experience with fair use you would understand what kind of problem your going to cause for all of us when this fight is lost.

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3. false positives. I have not had one yet. Our firm's software is so much more advanced than RIAA, that I laugh when people mention us in the same breath as those simpletons. There are trade secrets involved, but I can say that the amount of proof we have that person X downloaded file Y at exactly Z time, etc. is pretty impressive.

really and your software tells the difference between a person simply using the torrents to recover content they already bought, and people who never bought the content.


ignoring fair use is a false positive too.

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4. The people we represent have content being pirated on a massive scale. I have seen attacks on people like Steve Lightspeed, saying he has old content and is not making any money anymore so he is resorting to suing pirates to make money. I do not know how much Steve earns selling content. But I can say he has massive pirating going on, so that means a lot of people want his content.
past success establishes multiple legitimate uses of the torrents (see backup and recovery above)


which you don't address at all in your current system

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5. I will keep saying this until I am blue in the face, but here goes: We work on contingency and NEVER make more than the content producer when we do collect money for them. This canard that "all the money just goes to the lawyers" is silly. I wish I got most of the money. I have to suggest that to Steve next time I see him.
i would not fault you if you did make most of the money, if you built a system which was not going to lead to fucked up precedent that is going to screw us all.


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6. Blackmail. If making people pay you when you catch them stealing content is blackmail, then so is making someone pay you when they are caught stealing your car. Prosecutors tell Defendants "You agree to this plea deal, and pay X in restitution, or we go to trial and see what the jury thinks of our evidence." If someone did not do what we allege, and we are just making up our accusations, we will have the mother of all counter suits. Despite what the armchair lawyers here think, filing federal lawsuits and going before a judge appointed by the president is no minor task. Since we are batting 100% with our requests to all of the judges hearing all of our cases to date regarding discovery, and our suits in general, I would respectfully suggest that if 1/3 of the federal judges (hey, we are filing a lot, what can we say?) in the Northern District of Illinois thinks these suits have merit, I will trust them over an anonymous poster on gfy.com.
so would you be willing to say agree to pay any person who simple used the torrents to recover the porn they bought say 1 million dollars if you get access to their personal information (for the act of violating their privacy)

say the world and i would make sure to be in your cross hairs, after i bought the dvd of the content in question.

argueing that we have to go to steve and reup the membership just to get content we already paid for is about as valid as when jack valenti said

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If you buy a DVD you have a copy. If you want a backup copy you buy another one.
the mpaa lost that fight.

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7. Some claim that lawsuits lose money. The RIAA pay their attorneys by the hour. Those attorneys are incentivized to bill as many hours as possible. I work on contingency and only make money if my client does. If my client makes 0, I make less than zero, as I front the costs of the suits. I promise to stop filing these lawsuits the minute I stop making money.

I welcome reasoned responses.
you just hit the nail on the head, your only going to do the amount of work to keep it profitable
your not going to spend a second of your time determining the negative consequences of any precedent that is set if you lose.

i wish the legal system made lawyers who set bad precedents responsible for the legal fees of every case that has to live with those conseqences.

gideongallery 10-02-2010 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by crazytrini85 (Post 17563361)
Tell one of your tenants to download one of Steves videos and find out?

I would think an isp can tell if more than one system is on an IP. In my old apartment we would get messages that too many computers were connected and it would reject us. If they are all connected then each computer name will be accessing it leaving some sort of trail.

so you don't know how to setup a nat or too cheap to buy one of the routers that supports it by default.

actually the second is a bit of a flaw, you would be hard pressed to find a single wireless g or above router that doesn't do both nat and IP masquerading by default

it a hell of a lot more common than you think.


the network printer getting a lot of takedown request happened specifically because of ip masquerading it was because of one of those routers that acted as the print server as well. The pc on the private network were doing the actual downloading, the router/print server had the only public address to see from the outside world.

Barefootsies 10-02-2010 08:59 AM
Yes, I produce my own content and own the rights.

It is not that I am for, or against piracy bud. It's about the economics of running a business. The amount of money you spend trying to chase down and sue a river of infringers would be better spent on either.....

1. Developing a better mousetrap for your pay sites. Where the client can enjoy your content on the site, and while a member, but can't take it with them. Mark the videos with their IP while they watch. Something that makes it more difficult.

2. Grow some balls and use DRM. If you think theft is sooooooo rampant. I am sure the handful of people you lose to DRM would be a lot less than all these pirates people bitch about. So it's a trade off in the "war on piracy".

3. When you go the route of mass lawsuits against anyone, and everyone, you have made that your business model. Just like that shithead from Perfect10 who has tried to sue Rapidshare, and lost. Google, and lost. Who knows how many others? The point being, he does not focus on great content anymore. He spends all his time and money on law suits.

4. The money you waste on lawsuits would be better spent hiring RemoveYourContent or a couple of interns to police your shit off the web. It would cost a fraction of the time, aggravation, and expense. Plus, over all, be better for your business then some lawsuit that will ultimately not change shit.

5. Stop giving away all of your shit to your affiliates. Go invite only. I would bet you many of those affiliates who never sent you a single click took all of your shit and posted it up somewhere. This is one of the greedy failures of this industry.

As a content producer myself, I am all for people protecting their content and doing what you need to like Robbie has. If your content really is as good as you think, a few minor changes are not going to chase off all of your customers. If you, 'have the bead on them', as many think they do. You should know that they will buy regardless if you know your niche.

That said, I think giving up your primary purpose and business of developing sites, and technology, to protect your content while continuing to actually PRODUCE NEW CONTENT to just try and Sabre rattle a few kids into money you will never collect is a futile enterprise.

The point being, you have to decide if you are still actively going to be in the porn business, and worry about running that business which is providing for your patrons. Or if you want to run around shouting to the heavens to anyone who will listen, and wasting time, money, and years of aggravation just to 'prove a point'.

There are many other cost effective ways to run a business, and provide your service.
:2 cents:

borked 10-02-2010 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17563620)
Yes, I produce my own content and own the rights.

It is not that I am for, or against piracy bud. It's about the economics of running a business. The amount of money you spend trying to chase down and sue a river of infringers would be better spent on either.....

1. Developing a better mousetrap for your pay sites. Where the client can enjoy your content on the site, and while a member, but can't take it with them. Mark the videos with their IP while they watch. Something that makes it more difficult.
all +1, but #1 moreso. Enough people are leaning to think this way that it will become a de facto standard soon I hope. I'm not for this, inject every x frames so the user doesn't notice... add it in the movie all the time to let it server as a good deterrent. Prevention is better than cure

Noe 10-02-2010 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 17560500)
Doesn't really matter. Everyone here earns their living from porn. So if you make it, sell it, process it, whatever, if piracy wins, then we ALL go under.

It's only really a heated debate, because no one on the pro side of the blackmail situation can provide any counterpoints aside from name calling, swearing, lying, and putting people on ignore.

Not that I can see, anyway.

But well done for starting ANOTHER thread on the subject.

REALISE THIS. POINTING OUT BLACKMAIL IS NOT A GOOD LOOK DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE PRO PIRACY, IT MEANS YOU ARE ANTI-BLACKMAIL.

Hope that is clear.
Agreed :thumbsup

johnsteele 10-02-2010 11:42 AM
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :) P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?

Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borked (Post 17563748)
Prevention is better than cure
Prevention doesn't put lawyers kids through school though.

MrRob 10-02-2010 11:58 AM
John Steele, can you answer these two questions please:

How much is the average downloader being sued for?

How much is the person who uploads the content being sued for?

I'm curious how you calculate the cost/damages etc etc?

arock10 10-02-2010 12:24 PM
just sue everyone

chronig 10-02-2010 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17560621)
the death of napster pushed the drive towards bitorrent, now these rounds of mass mailings will push people to total anonymity. seeing a trend here?
A big company going under (and thus pushing the same surfers to different means) is a lot different than targetting the company, the uploaders, and the downloaders.

Big company goes under WHO GIVES A FUCK

Bobby Jacobs my next door neighbour gets busted for pirating LESS content than me? Holy shit! I better stop pirating

Bit torrent is as easy as p2p/napster once you get the hang of it. Pushing people to more underground means is a good thing, it still means less people doing it, and less people knowing how to do it. The more complicated it is to pirate, the better (for producers).

chronig 10-02-2010 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :) P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?

Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
:thumbsup

It's really gotten to a point of ridiculousness (piracy).... Something needs to be done and glad to see that you guys have done AT LEAST SOMETHING.

Everyone used to cry about no one doing anything and people being pussies about pirating. Now that old farts like Steve have finally realized just what a monster modern day piracy is and are doing something about it, of course you here crys of the opposite.

chronig 10-02-2010 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by unimatrix0 (Post 17562006)
Blackmail isn`t good for industry.
If I was a porn consumer and I learn that porn companies blackmail people with making their name public I would never buy a porn subscription again...
This kind of things should`t be in the media attention.
There are stupid and greedy people in this industry, and one bad move and everybody is fucked. It`s a meter of time.
Yeah it's a "meter" of time you porn surfing nothing to do with the industry faggot surfer. Just shut the fuck up already.

The only ones opposed to this are

1. GFY surferz
http://havefun.com/catalog/images/ha...Surfer_400.jpg

2. GFY basement dwellers/psychos (trolls)
<insert can you tell which one is timeshifting? pic here>

3. "Marketing expert" clowns like DamianJ that make no money and have likely never taken a picture of anything other than their ugly-toothed british girlfriend.
https://gfy.com/image.php?u=77765&dateline=1207859285

I've always used pirated software, ever since I was a little kid, knew about ftps, warez groups, and even napster way before 99% of people my age

Even now I watch movies off thepiratebay, pirate single-player video games, or software - it's absolutely ridiculous how easy it is, let alone when it required a little bit of knowledge and research back in the day.

Think I've ever bought a porn subscription? From programs that used to brute-force password guess, to pw request boards, etc.

Does that make me a hypocrite for now being a bit older, having produced content and websites myself, and not want people pirating the material? Sure. Do I give a fuck? Nope.

All you basement dwelling faggots can go fuck yourselves. :thumbsup

Whether you've pirated your whole life, or haven't, you'd be a complete dumbfuck fuckwad if you were currently engaged in the porn industry and couldn't see how piracy is making it CRUMBLE and wouldn't be open to REAL ACTUAL SOLUTIONS even if they are slightly unethical.

chronig 10-02-2010 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17563620)
Yes, I produce my own content and own the rights.

It is not that I am for, or against piracy bud. It's about the economics of running a business. The amount of money you spend trying to chase down and sue a river of infringers would be better spent on either.....

1. Developing a better mousetrap for your pay sites. Where the client c:2 cents::2 cents:an enjoy your content on the site, an:2 cents:d while a member, but can't take it with them. Mark the videos with their IP while they watch. Something that makes it more difficult.

2. Grow some balls and use DRM. If you think theft is sooooooo rampant. I am sure the handful of people:2 cents: you lose to DRM :2 cents::2 cents:would be a lot less than all these pirates people bitch about. So it's a trade off in the "war on piracy".

3. When you go the route of mass lawsuits against anyone, and everyone, you have made that yo:2 cents:ur business model. Just like that shithead from Perfect10 who has tried to sue Rapidshare, and lost. Google, and lost. Who knows how many others? The point being, he does not focus on great content anymore. He spends all his time and money on law suits.

4. The money you waste on lawsuits would be better spent hiring RemoveYourContent or a couple of interns to police your shit off :2 cents::2 cents:the web. It would cost a fraction of the time, aggravation, and expense. Plus, over all, be better for your business then some lawsuit that will ultimately n:2 cents:ot change shit.

5. Stop giving away all of your shit to your affiliates. Go invite only. I would bet you many of those affiliates who never sent you a single click took all of your shit and posted it up somewhere. This is o:2 cents:ne of the greedy failures of this industry.

As a content producer myself, I am all for people protecting their content and doing what you need to like Robbie has. If your content really is as good as you think, a few minor changes are not going to chase off all :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:of your customers. If you, 'have the bead on them', as many think they do. You should know that they will buy regardless if you know your niche.

That said, I think giving up your primary purpose and business of developing sites, and technology, to protect your content while continuing to actually PRODUCE NEW CONTENT to just try and Sabre rattle a few kids into mone:2 cents::2 cents:y you will never collect is a futile enterprise.

The point being, you h:2 cents::2 cents:ave to decide if you are still actively going to be in the porn business, and worry about running that business which is providing for your patrons. Or if you want to run around shouting to the heavens to anyone who will listen, and wasting time, money, and years of aggravation just to 'prove a point'.

There are many other cost effective ways to run a business, and provide your service.
:2 cents:
Didn't read past your first few lines, but the lawyers are hired on % basis. It's not costing Steve or anyone else anything to campaign these lawsuits. It's making them money. :2 cents::2 cents:

candyflip 10-02-2010 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17563620)
Yes, I produce my own content and own the rights.

It is not that I am for, or against piracy bud. It's about the economics of running a business. The amount of money you spend trying to chase down and sue a river of infringers would be better spent on either.....

1. Developing a better mousetrap for your pay sites. Where the client can enjoy your content on the site, and while a member, but can't take it with them. Mark the videos with their IP while they watch. Something that makes it more difficult.

2. Grow some balls and use DRM. If you think theft is sooooooo rampant. I am sure the handful of people you lose to DRM would be a lot less than all these pirates people bitch about. So it's a trade off in the "war on piracy".

3. When you go the route of mass lawsuits against anyone, and everyone, you have made that your business model. Just like that shithead from Perfect10 who has tried to sue Rapidshare, and lost. Google, and lost. Who knows how many others? The point being, he does not focus on great content anymore. He spends all his time and money on law suits.

4. The money you waste on lawsuits would be better spent hiring RemoveYourContent or a couple of interns to police your shit off the web. It would cost a fraction of the time, aggravation, and expense. Plus, over all, be better for your business then some lawsuit that will ultimately not change shit.

5. Stop giving away all of your shit to your affiliates. Go invite only. I would bet you many of those affiliates who never sent you a single click took all of your shit and posted it up somewhere. This is one of the greedy failures of this industry.

As a content producer myself, I am all for people protecting their content and doing what you need to like Robbie has. If your content really is as good as you think, a few minor changes are not going to chase off all of your customers. If you, 'have the bead on them', as many think they do. You should know that they will buy regardless if you know your niche.

That said, I think giving up your primary purpose and business of developing sites, and technology, to protect your content while continuing to actually PRODUCE NEW CONTENT to just try and Sabre rattle a few kids into money you will never collect is a futile enterprise.

The point being, you have to decide if you are still actively going to be in the porn business, and worry about running that business which is providing for your patrons. Or if you want to run around shouting to the heavens to anyone who will listen, and wasting time, money, and years of aggravation just to 'prove a point'.

There are many other cost effective ways to run a business, and provide your service.
:2 cents:
Wow. Even we can think alike from time to time.
:thumbsup

FYI: These guys aren't actual IP lawyers. They're a step above your typical ambulance chaser. People think lawyers are scum, these guys are on the top of the list.

candyflip 10-02-2010 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :) P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?

Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
I notice you skipped over my question about determining who in a household of 5 was the one who actually downloaded the file, based on my scenario and actual arrangement with tenants.

And I could easily point out a number of legitimate uses for bittorrent. If you really think that it has no legitimate use, you are again mistaken.

I'm amazed sometimes by lawyers I hear who have obviously graduated law school and passed the bar. But you hear them talk on subjects they should be well versed in, seeing that they're practicing in that environment, and they're absolutely clueless and boarderline retarded.

Much like the asshat in this video:

Barefootsies 10-02-2010 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 17564286)
Wow. Even we can think alike from time to time.
:thumbsup
This world can be a crazy place...

Barefootsies 10-02-2010 01:05 PM
A hundie pornographer lawyers.

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 17564171)
just sue everyone
True dat. Let the paramedics sort em out.

borked 10-02-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :) P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?

Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
Andrew Crossley spoke the same words as you a few years ago. He had his 2 years run yet I doubt his firm will be continuing imo. IANAL.

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564243)
Whether you've pirated your whole life, or haven't, you'd be a complete dumbfuck fuckwad if you were currently engaged in the porn industry and couldn't see how piracy is making it CRUMBLE and wouldn't be open to REAL ACTUAL SOLUTIONS even if they are slightly unethical.
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 17564286)
These guys aren't actual IP lawyers. They're a step above your typical ambulance chaser. People think lawyers are scum, these guys are on the top of the list.
You do what for a living?

chronig 10-02-2010 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
Piracy is at it's highest form yet, anyone who thinks different is a fucking idiot. A blubbering fucking idiot. It's never been like this. Even if these particular measures were half as likely to succeed than what they are, it would still be worth a try.

This board is full of porn-surfing/pirating basement dwellers and that's where the typical negative sentiment towards this is coming from...

chronig 10-02-2010 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
And I don't give a fuck what johnsteele has to say about whether he wants piracy to stop or not... what a stupid comment

That's like asking a police department if they want crime to stop

No one wants to be out of work...

candyflip 10-02-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17564305)
This world can be a crazy place...
True dat tootsie. :1orglaugh

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564398)
And I don't give a fuck what johnsteele has to say about whether he wants piracy to stop or not... what a stupid comment

That's like asking a police department if they want crime to stop

No one wants to be out of work...
My comment was based on you saying this:
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564243)
Whether you've pirated your whole life, or haven't, you'd be a complete dumbfuck fuckwad if you were currently engaged in the porn industry and couldn't see how piracy is making it CRUMBLE and wouldn't be open to REAL ACTUAL SOLUTIONS even if they are slightly unethical.
Which made it sound like you thought this effort would actually do something to stop/reduce piracy.

candyflip 10-02-2010 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crazytrini85 (Post 17564346)
You do what for a living?
Lots of different things.

Adult and Mainstream site owner. Property owner and manager. I've owned a restaurant and a retail storefront.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

chronig 10-02-2010 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564461)
My comment was based on you saying this:

Which made it sound like you thought this effort would actually do something to stop/reduce piracy.
:uhoh

of course I think this effort would stop or more importantly and realistically REDUCE piracy :uhoh

Just like you'd think a Police department would stop or more realistically reduce crime...

Neither means that a Police chief or lawyer would want it to END COMPLETELY and be out of a job.

How about you just get back to editing some images and shut the fuck up on the issue already. You're not making any sense and I'm sure it boils down to you simply wanting to be able to continue to keep filling your pirated porn database as easily as possible

Fuck off - bye

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 02:02 PM
You forgot to call me a surfer and say that you're putting me on ignore.

chronig 10-02-2010 02:08 PM
By the way - suing/blackmailing downloaders isn't going to scare off any porn buyers :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh - the amount of 15-21 year old broke college kid basement dwelling porn downloading faggots on this forum is ridiculous...

The current sentiment is WOW YOU PAY FOR PORN? YOU FUCKING LOSER! GET THAT SHIT FO FREE LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD IDIOT!

Watch this bastard nignog outline it here:


Fucking clown.. he says he has friends in the porn biz and isn't trying to put them out of business... well... by making this video that's exactly what he's contributing towards

So - take our beloved (weird, antisocial, quite possibly virgins as they may be) porn subscribers who definitely have to buy their subscriptions in private, get KNOCKED publically on youtube about it, and find for themselves that they're getting jipped because they're paying for something that's more or less readily available for them on various torrent sites, file sharing forums, etc around the world and present them with the current situation: UPLOADERS AND DOWNLOADERS GETTING SUED FOR PIRATING PORN!

How do you think that makes them feel for spending money on porn over the years instead of pirating it and getting sued like these other guys?? It would make them feel GREAT!

Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
I don't think anyone said they were set out to stop piracy. They are only saying they want to get paid for people viewing their content.

chronig 10-02-2010 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564498)
You forgot to call me a surfer and say that you're putting me on ignore.
:uhoh :uhoh

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564517)
Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.
Preach on.

candyflip 10-02-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564517)
Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.
I was 6 years old when I got started in this business. :thumbsup

flashfire 10-02-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17562127)
I don't oppose it, however I think it would be more effective to sue the people who are stealing the content and then uploading it to the torrents / tube sites. I think that is who they should go after the real offender. The end down loader is guilty but not as guilty as the person who stolen it and then distributed it.

Its like going after crack addicts instead of the drug dealers. Why not go to the source of the problem??? Since they can't shut down the torrents / tube sites because of DMCA why not go after the people who put the content on the torrents? If there is nothing on the torrents then there is nothing to download.
they are scared shitless of the real offenders...they are not hard to find and we all know the big ones. It like cops going after the jon because they can't/wont touch the pimp

gideongallery 10-02-2010 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

so agree to pay for the extra legal cost if the bad precedent is set then. If there is no possiblity of it happening you really should have a problem committing your firms resources.


real copyright lawyers know that timeshifting was extended to the cloud, other fair uses will also be extended in such a way.

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Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :)
what the fuck are you talking about bit torrent is a public broadcast protocol, you have always been able to identify the ip address of the seeders by definition that how you know who to connect too.

if you don't understand that simple fact how the hell can you be expected to understand the legal consequences of technical specs.



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P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?
currently more than 50% of all bit torrent traffic is content that is broadcast on tv. The majority of bit torrent users are using it as a vcr. And it is an obviously superior version of a vcr. the swarm is a pvr that has an infinite hard drive, which records every show, and allows you to watch what you want whenever you want, and skip the annoying commercials.

it allows people to tune into shows they didn't realize they would have liked because the tv stations did a substandard marketing of the show ( supernaturals).

the only way you get ot 99.3% illegal is by ignoring fair uses like timeshifting (see above) backup and recovery etc.



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Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.
says the divorce lawyer who doesn't even understand the reference spec of the protocol he is discussing.


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At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.

so why not agree to cover all the legal expenses if the bad precedent happens. If you truly believed it never going to happen, you should have a problem committing your firms resources.

johnsteele 10-03-2010 12:40 AM
Ouch. Gideon Gallery is not a believer. I respect that. Lets agree to this. I will sue people, and you keep telling people what I'm doing is stupid. We will see who gets to $1M with this project first. How much money can you make arguing for the continuation of illegal downloading? Anyone who things P2P is legit is using BT to download something illegal IMHO.

I respect those who disagree with me, and I hope that in the end, we can have a beer and debate this at a bar at the next AVN show.

AzteK 10-03-2010 12:45 AM
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