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Slutboat 11-03-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17666271)
Go look up the Bush/GOP controlled Congress combo from 2001-2007 and say that. It's amazing that Obama couldn't fix 8 years of Bush fuck ups in 18 months and somehow that means he sucks. Where else in the real world does that standard even apply?


You're forgetting that in those 18 months the Republicunts have been running BLOCKADE in Congress, and SMEAR 24/7 on FOX.

TheDoc 11-03-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17667631)
dear uneducated idiot.
50% of the country doesn't pay income tax. the largest tax of them all.
I'm sorry you're unable to participate in an adult conversation because its over your head but please, take that problem up with those that failed to raise you properly, not me.


See an example of Fox News stupidity... Go do some damn research you brain dead social leach.

Income tax is NOT the only Fed tax. you also have Payroll and Investment, and others - AND those people pay State & Local taxes - and do not get them back. If you stack your taxes together, Fed tax is NOT the biggest. EVERYONE is paying the hell in!

Then your stupid ass assumes it's the lower income that are getting away with it, which makes you even more pathetic. If you actually read the report rather than listened to Fox news - it says higher income people on average pay a lower percentage tax overall, it appears higher because of pretax income.

Your argument is so... lame, it's hardly even worth discussing.

Tom_PM 11-03-2010 11:13 AM

Obama outright rejects the notion coming from some that this election was a repudiation of the policies that he had no choice but to press through. He's smart enough to reject the PREMISE that taking action to prevent depression is a "liberal agenda".

beerptrol 11-03-2010 11:25 AM

end of socialism? I'm all for ii if it means:
A) That my taxes don't go to pay into medicare. Why should my taxes go to those who didn't plan for health insurance into their retirement years or can't afford it because they didn't set aside for retirement. They take out more than they put into it

b) that I don't have to pay a ss tax. Why should I have to pay into something that more likely will not be there for me and which people take out more money than they put into it

c) People with no kids shouldn't have part of their property taxes used to fund local schools

12clicks 11-03-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17667680)
See an example of Fox News stupidity... Go do some damn research you brain dead social leach.

Income tax is NOT the only Fed tax. you also have Payroll and Investment, and others - AND those people pay State & Local taxes - and do not get them back. If you stack your taxes together, Fed tax is NOT the biggest. EVERYONE is paying the hell in!

Then your stupid ass assumes it's the lower income that are getting away with it, which makes you even more pathetic. If you actually read the report rather than listened to Fox news - it says higher income people on average pay a lower percentage tax overall, it appears higher because of pretax income.

Your argument is so... lame, it's hardly even worth discussing.

put down the crack pipe son, and go cut and paste where I said "Income tax is the only Fed tax"

I'll wait right here, ya silly punk. :1orglaugh

now I've got the idiot arguing with himself.:1orglaugh

12clicks 11-03-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17667693)
Obama outright rejects the notion coming from some that this election was a repudiation of the policies that he had no choice but to press through. He's smart enough to reject the PREMISE that taking action to prevent depression is a "liberal agenda".

good! I hope he continues to reject the voting public.:1orglaugh

OY 11-03-2010 01:12 PM

In Norway the Democrats would be put in the same booth as our right wing, not with the socialists. Just saying...

minicivan 11-03-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17667640)
You're forgetting that in those 18 months the Republicunts have been running BLOCKADE in Congress, and SMEAR 24/7 on FOX.

Blockade against the majority? How does that work?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

SallyRand 11-03-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17667640)
You're forgetting that in those 18 months the Republicunts have been running BLOCKADE in Congress, and SMEAR 24/7 on FOX.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attra...c_bischoff.jpg

TheDoc 11-03-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668108)
put down the crack pipe son, and go cut and paste where I said "Income tax is the only Fed tax"

I'll wait right here, ya silly punk. :1orglaugh

now I've got the idiot arguing with himself.:1orglaugh

Did I quote you? No... I made an expression in my statement, as you tend to single out the Income tax. But let me quote you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668108)
50% of the country doesn't pay income tax. the largest tax of them all.

A skewed lie.... 100% of the legal workers pay income tax, just 50% get money back because of many reasons.

Why not research a relevant number, like the % of people that don't pay income tax, that didn't lose a job during that period, thus them needing help... ie, find those that work that earn in the lower income brackets - what % of the real working poor get away with zero taxes. That's a relevant number but that is not the number you preach.

We would need to exclude people that got away with no taxes due to crafty investments, donations, business practices, some medical costs, first time home buyers on lower incomes, school loans, solar/alt energy benefits, the car buy back program, day care costs, child deductions and I'm sure many other things... all of which can make even someone that earns $80k+ a year get major refunds. Damn sure not on the poor end of the scale.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668108)
only about 50% pay taxes.

This is why everyone rails on the right... Fox news, etc.



That better?

_Richard_ 11-03-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17668124)
Blockade against the majority? How does that work?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

filibustero

or something

12clicks 11-03-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17668252)
Did I quote you? No... I made an expression in my statement, as you tend to single out the Income tax. But let me quote you...



A skewed lie.... 100% of the legal workers pay income tax, just 50% get money back because of many reasons.

Poor deluded child.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly....html?x=0&.v=1

""""About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.""""
Are you even smart enough to lay awake at night knowing you'll never make any more than you do right now doing NATS installs because of your limited intelligence?
:1orglaugh

12clicks 11-03-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17668280)
filibustero

or something

Here in America, we're smart enough to know that the republicans didn't have enough votes to use a filibuster.

You really need to just need to stop typing about things you don't understand

The Demon 11-03-2010 02:31 PM

I would ignore TheDoc like the rest of the forum does. When your only rationalization is "the American people spoke and supported the Democrats", there's not much you can do for someone so incredibly delusional.

TheDoc 11-03-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668323)
Poor deluded child.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly....html?x=0&.v=1

""""About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.""""
Are you even smart enough to lay awake at night knowing you'll never make any more than you do right now doing NATS installs because of your limited intelligence?
:1orglaugh

Yes, we've established that already... The article does not say, they pay no fed income tax.... It says they get money back and it says they pay a shit load other taxes too. Which is exactly what I said.

You know, you should try reading the articles you post. Right in the article, family making $50k a year, 2 kids (not really a poor family) can pay no fed income tax. If you add in other deductions, a company, and so on - higher incomes can pay nothing, even get money back.

Anyone that made $355k a year in 2006 and paid 73% of the fed income tax burden, and bitches about it - can cry me a river. Because without those other 98% Americans supplying for us, we wouldn't have had shit.

Of course... this little increase that happened was due to the economic downfall and Congress responding with tax benefits. Something most Republicans support, unless it's for the poor.


"There are also tax credits for college expenses, buying a new home and upgrading an existing home with energy-efficient doors, windows, furnaces and other appliances. Many of the credits are refundable, meaning if the credits exceed the amount of income taxes owed, the taxpayer gets a payment from the government for the difference."

All those poor/middle class people paying for "energy-efficient doors, windows, furnaces and other appliances" really racking up the tax credits. HAHAHA....


Anything else Tea Bagger?

TheDoc 11-03-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17668398)
I would ignore TheDoc like the rest of the forum does. When your only rationalization is "the American people spoke and supported the Democrats", there's not much you can do for someone so incredibly delusional.

..... you know, we can't say it's your views or even the way you act, that make you have red dot. 12clicks has similar views and treats many people like dirt and he's green as can be.

It must be something else, something... can't quite put my finger on it.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

_Richard_ 11-03-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668353)
Here in America, we're smart enough to know that the republicans didn't have enough votes to use a filibuster.

You really need to just need to stop typing about things you don't understand

:1orglaugh

if you understand zee grand ol'filibustero, there 12clicks, then please, tell us what congress holds the record number of filibusters.

The Demon 11-03-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17668456)
..... you know, we can't say it's your views or even the way you act, that make you have red dot. 12clicks has similar views and treats many people like dirt and he's green as can be.

It must be something else, something... can't quite put my finger on it.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Or it's a few morons like you and GatorB that give me a negative rating, thinking I care, or even thinking it means absolutely anything on this forum. Still though I AM more popular than you and more respected than you in your own profession. Perhaps it's because you're an incompetent failure?:1orglaugh

TheDoc 11-03-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17668495)
Or it's a few morons like you and GatorB that give me a negative rating, thinking I care, or even thinking it means absolutely anything on this forum. Still though I AM more popular than you and more respected than you in your own profession. Perhaps it's because you're an incompetent failure?:1orglaugh

First, I can't neg or pos rate you. So it's everyone else, but me. :1orglaugh

Rep means nothing in relation to business - it does however tell a story about who you are, the quality of your posts, the context of your posts and in general - and what others think of those posts.

See you've never done anything to gain a single bit of respect, ever... You claiming it, doesn't make it true. That's difference between people like me, 12clicks and little stains like you - we've actually done something in this Industry, enough that we can act like pompous idiots and nobody cares....

Unlike you're stupid ass.... :1orglaugh

The Demon 11-03-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17668528)
First, I can't neg or pos rate you. So it's everyone else, but me. :1orglaugh

Rep means nothing in relation to business - it does however tell a story about who you are, the quality of your posts, the context of your posts and in general - and what others think of those posts.

See you've never done anything to gain a single bit of respect, ever... You claiming it, doesn't make it true. That's difference between people like me, 12clicks and little stains like you - we've actually done something in this Industry, enough that we can act like pompous idiots and nobody cares....

Unlike you're stupid ass.... :1orglaugh

Weird, this logic would apply if you weren't constantly ridiculed in your own industry and if people actually vouched for you. Nobody on here thinks you're intelligent which is why you're ridiculed. Your borderline retarded IQ doesn't help your "Reputation" here either..:1orglaugh

TheDoc 11-03-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17668543)
Weird, this logic would apply if you weren't constantly ridiculed in your own industry and if people actually vouched for you. Nobody on here thinks you're intelligent which is why you're ridiculed. Your borderline retarded IQ doesn't help your "Reputation" here either..:1orglaugh

Hahaha... Could you point out those ridiculed posts? Hahaha... Yeah, no vouching, nobody likes me, I'm an idiot, and my rep is trash - hahahaha...

You come up with this shit and you're a lawyer? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I must hire you, your skills truly are l33t, how much an hour are your services, boy?

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-03-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17668353)
Here in America, we're smart enough to know that the republicans didn't have enough votes to use a filibuster.

You really need to just need to stop typing about things you don't understand

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/02/1...ilibuster.html


http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/...filiate.91.jpg

The Demon 11-03-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17668578)
Hahaha... Could you point out those ridiculed posts? Hahaha... Yeah, no vouching, nobody likes me, I'm an idiot, and my rep is trash - hahahaha...

You come up with this shit and you're a lawyer? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I must hire you, your skills truly are l33t, how much an hour are your services, boy?

Looks like TheDoc is back in denial. You're right Doc, you WEREN'T ridiculed in this thread, like in all others ROFL.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And you couldn't afford me. Hell I'm making more than you in your industry. How sad is that.

TheDoc 11-03-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17669099)
Looks like TheDoc is back in denial. You're right Doc, you WEREN'T ridiculed in this thread, like in all others ROFL.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And you couldn't afford me. Hell I'm making more than you in your industry. How sad is that.

Yeah, I know I wasn't ridiculed, that's what I said.... you're a strange one.

Well... you're not a lawyer, so I can afford $20 an hour. I can even pay you cash under the table if you like.

Haha, with the numbers you showed me? I couldn't make payroll on your income, hell I would have a hard time paying my domain reg fees. You're funny... :1orglaugh

I don't know if you're just lame or simply stupid... :helpme

12clicks 11-03-2010 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks
""""About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.""""

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17668419)
Yes, we've established that already... The article does not say, they pay no fed income tax....

intelligence must be this punk's second language. :1orglaugh

12clicks 11-03-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik (Post 17668919)

Does yur boss know you're out embarrassing yourself on a board he's trying to pick up affiliates from?
I'd fire you immediately if you were my employee.
A cloture vote is a vote to not allow a filibuster.
Translation for the stupid: there can be no filibuster when you have enough votes for cloture. (which the democrats had)


Obviously, we've not yet squeezed all the idiots from the Biz

TheDoc 11-03-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17669232)
intelligence must be this punk's second language. :1orglaugh

Seriously.....do you not know how taxes work?


"The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment."

That doesn't mean, they didn't pay fed income tax - it means if they filed the a tax return, they got what they paid - BACK - Because....

"Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability."

P.S. that doesn't mean all fed tax types either... as the article states.

Are we done now?

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-03-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17669253)
A cloture vote is a vote to not allow a filibuster.

To end one, dear idiot.

Educate yourself:

PS: you can't afford to have any employees.


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/...er_Cloture.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/ref...tureCounts.htm

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Demon 11-03-2010 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17669192)
Yeah, I know I wasn't ridiculed, that's what I said.... you're a strange one.

Well... you're not a lawyer, so I can afford $20 an hour. I can even pay you cash under the table if you like.

Haha, with the numbers you showed me? I couldn't make payroll on your income, hell I would have a hard time paying my domain reg fees. You're funny... :1orglaugh

I don't know if you're just lame or simply stupid... :helpme

I think people need to be stupid to understand your posts because they scream "middle school dropout", as well as "failure". That's ok Doc, we know you're a moron. Please continue lying to yourself and amusing us.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

_Richard_ 11-03-2010 05:37 PM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh and of course, the number to end one is 60, i believe 9 more than the democrats even had right?

TheDoc 11-03-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17669380)
I think people need to be stupid to understand your posts because they scream "middle school dropout", as well as "failure". That's ok Doc, we know you're a moron. Please continue lying to yourself and amusing us.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That's why I dumb my posts down for ya buddy... :thumbsup

Bump to pull your string for a new comment... the last one lame.

CyberHustler 11-03-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17662680)
yes because the energy we produce here in canada...is now fully owned by a usa company...and today they upped the prices again to sell us back our own energy that our taxes paid to develop

its so awesome


The Demon 11-03-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17669400)
That's why I dumb my posts down for ya buddy... :thumbsup

Bump to pull your string for a new comment... the last one lame.

Yea, you "dumb" your posts down. I suppose to the normal human beings, they look stupid but to you they look normal. And you're wondering why you can never follow a discussion? LOL... Bump for another hilarious attempt at humor from the borderline retarded failure.:winkwink:

12clicks 11-03-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik (Post 17669347)
To end one, dear idiot.

Educate yourself:

PS: you can't afford to have any employees.


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/...er_Cloture.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/ref...tureCounts.htm

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh, poor idiot. Which laws were blockaded by filibuster again?

Hahaha, no wonder your adult shift starts after your day job

just a punk 11-03-2010 06:13 PM

http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/1009/d4/06fd2099cfff.jpg

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-03-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17669461)
Oh, poor idiot. Which laws were blockaded by filibuster again?

Hahaha, no wonder your adult shift starts after your day job

What are you talking about?

Quote:

republicans didn't have enough votes to use a filibuster.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Go back to selling your shirts on ebay, idiot.

12clicks 11-03-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik (Post 17669557)
What are you talking about?

exactly, idiot. you think you have a clue. you don't.

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-03-2010 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17669601)
exactly, idiot. you think you have a clue. you don't.

"republicans didn't have enough votes to use a filibuster."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

You don't need votes for filibuster.
You just need to talk out of your ass, and you should know better.
Good night moron. You're not worth my time.

What a tool.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-03-2010 09:28 PM

Oh my, I got a negative rep from 45 year old board warrior.

" enjoy your short stay in my business"

My e-feeling are hurt. I don't think I can sleep tonight.
:1orglaugh

The Sultan Of Smut 11-03-2010 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 17667735)
c) People with no kids shouldn't have part of their property taxes used to fund local schools

Wasn't yours paid for by others chipping in? Did you give the money back and pay for it all yourself?

12clicks 11-04-2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik (Post 17669692)
My e-feeling are hurt. I don't think I can sleep tonight.
:1orglaugh

well don't tell your real job boss that in the morning, you might get demoted to Fry-0-later operator

nico-t 11-04-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17666965)
which part of your idiocy shall I answer?

sometimes i'm wondering if you really are such an air head or if its just an act. Anyway, here is the question, for the third time:
When you look at your personal earnings and spendings, is it really much of a difference who is running the country?

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-04-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17670942)
well don't tell your real job boss that in the morning, you might get demoted to Fry-0-later operator

How original.
Idiot.
:2 cents:

Kiopa_Matt 11-05-2010 06:25 AM

You know what's sad about this whole debacle? Some of the major media (ie. FOX News) has actually convinced a good number of the public of this:

"Ohhh, this corporation only made $18 billion in profit last year. Our economy is in the shitter though, so we should give an extra tax credit of 2% to this corporation, THEN I bet they'll begin hiring new American workers, and creating jobs in the US! Just give them another tax break, then we'll be on the right track!".

Unfortunately, millions of people in the US actually believe the above line. Talk about getting ass raped, and loving every minute of it. Don't worry about the fact that bridges are literally falling in the water, best to give those guys a tax break.

Fabien 11-05-2010 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17662649)
and the end of the liberal trash wasting our children's money and future?
I sure as hell hope so.:thumbsup


I hope so cause this shit ain't working and i know what i'm talking about ! Of course it looks good on paper and we all want this to work out but it doesn't !
You can't "save" the world.
We've been trying hard here since 40 years and guess what ? We're LAST in almost everything now when we were prosper SO FUCK IT

The Demon 11-05-2010 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame (Post 17674603)
You know what's sad about this whole debacle? Some of the major media (ie. FOX News) has actually convinced a good number of the public of this:

"Ohhh, this corporation only made $18 billion in profit last year. Our economy is in the shitter though, so we should give an extra tax credit of 2% to this corporation, THEN I bet they'll begin hiring new American workers, and creating jobs in the US! Just give them another tax break, then we'll be on the right track!".

Unfortunately, millions of people in the US actually believe the above line. Talk about getting ass raped, and loving every minute of it. Don't worry about the fact that bridges are literally falling in the water, best to give those guys a tax break.

You've obviously been watching too much MSNBC and have no idea why the rich get tax breaks.

TheDoc 11-05-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17674762)
You've obviously been watching too much MSNBC and have no idea why the rich get tax breaks.

His rant had nothing to do with the rich getting tax credits/breaks. He's talking about Corporations. Two totally different things.

Are you saying that a company already making crazy net profits (18 billion in this example) which many are doing this well now... needs more tax cuts/breaks, before they start investing/rebuilding/hiring? Come on...

Now if we were talking about dropping capital gains tax on money brought in, then yes - but that isn't what we're talking about.

As a business owner, more profits, more tax cuts, doesn't mean I hire or invest more. Just like it doesn't for the shit tons of other companies making net profits now, by the billions... and they aren't hiring, or investing, or building new companies, or anything with it.


Overall he's pretty spot on.... other than the focus should be on our local spending the money they get from the Fed correctly so our damn bridges can be fixed! Then maybe we could actually tax the Middle/lower People less (the consumers), which is what sparks buying trends, thus Companies hire more.

cocainer 11-07-2010 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17662661)
I'm sure Republicans will win overall if that's what you are asking. Then Democrats will win in 2012.

I don't think so.


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