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BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 02:36 AM

@Tjeezers - If AwEmpire isn't scamming everybody and supporting illegal tube sites [why do they care, you can't pirate LIVE shows... you can record them and pirate them, but it's not the same effect].. where is wildwildwest's and my payments. I'm starting to think this is wide spread and now only coming to light because people are hoping to still get paid.... I, myself have been warning AwEmpire rep's I'll go to the boards if I am not paid. They keep promising payment and their time lapses and they promise it again..... FOR TWO MONTHS.

I ask if you are not having an issue yourself please don't try to distract people from the issue at hand. Thanks :)

mynus 11-18-2010 02:50 AM

This thread is very interesting.

Tjeezers 11-18-2010 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708361)

I ask if you are not having an issue yourself please don't try to distract people from the issue at hand. Thanks :)

What I have or had, i keep for myself in this thread
but from what I read, you and a few others have not learned how to read between the lines.

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 03:05 AM

@Tjeezers - I'm a victim of AWEmpire myself as well and this isn't a case of "mob mentality". I do not need to "read between the lines." This is my last response to you, as it's obvious you're just trying to stir up problems.

DamianJ 11-18-2010 03:17 AM

Internet fraud is an attempt by a person or a group of people to trick or scam someone else using the Internet. This usually means that the person who is being tricked loses money to the people scamming them. Internet fraud can take place on computer programs such as chat rooms, e-mail, message boards, or Web sites. Advertisements that pop up on the internet have a big risk of being scams.

darksoul 11-18-2010 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17708356)
the truth will be somewhere in the middle, again....

He actually says in 1st post
  • When I joined AWE, they were running their $222 PPS

So from my understanding you actually say you joined AWE for this $222 contest and used your network of members on your own site as cows to cash 222 dollars and in return give your members a place on a VIP and pay back some discount to them. All in all, you still would be able to pay back the whole $99 dollar package back if you would cash in $222 a sale.

Sounds like a creative use of milking the system, not sure if you discussed this with AWE before you actually started to do it like this. So perhaps they dont like to see a creative abuse like this on their PPS, honestly their rules and you cant do jack shit.

The way how you did this and how you describe this makes me think there is a lot more behind this then you want to make us believe.

But will see how it plays out here, if it ever / uberhaupt gets plaid out.

My thoughts exactly.
Its not very hard for awe not to notice 30 users coming from the same webmaster in a short period of time with the same spending patters
The way you worded your letter to Mickey shows that you tried to game the system so :321GFY

Tjeezers 11-18-2010 03:22 AM

stir up problems?

I think you are wrong. I am a well experienced AWE webmaster with positive and some negative ideas on how it works. But still, i am there for 6 years now i believe.

Problems like this have never happened until the $222 promo started. So when it is regarding this, you should know for sure that every sort of creative way of promoting is a risky one when other party, in this case LJ, is not aware of this.

The whole motivation of this post is more then clear to me, but the post itself is not really mirroring the entire situation, thats all I say.

OP used a few creative things to make his members spend $99 packages, and OP was aware he would cash $222 on this. OP tells he is informing AWE he is making them a perfect business, uses a few smoke cloud marketing lines, and tries to tell AWE that he almost knows for sure that these $222 members will continue spending cause they are all member of his escort site and he introduces now his LJ Cams there.

Now, i dont stire up shit when i say PPS programs cant remain alive paying out huge payouts and having a inactive member after 4 weeks. It is a fact that whale campaigns like this stir up shit, it separates the rush player from the life time revenue player.

rowan 11-18-2010 03:35 AM

<Wonders if this could be the next Dirty D style thread>

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 03:36 AM

Just so everybody knows I inserted their ready-made flash banners on my blog sidebars and did a post or two about them with a screen capture as the post graphic including an honest review. That's the extent of the creativeness of my promotion.

I still have not been paid.

Buzz 11-18-2010 03:44 AM

if that's true and the single webmaster gets ripped off of 11k - how many do they scam in total? Millions per year?

JFK 11-18-2010 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 17707637)
Imma have a seat RIGHT here.

I really doubt AWE needs to take your 11k tbh man

I think along the same lines:2 cents:

Machete_ 11-18-2010 03:57 AM

after reading this thread, i'm pulling links now

Zyber 11-18-2010 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17708356)
the truth will be somewhere in the middle, again....

He actually says in 1st post
  • When I joined AWE, they were running their $222 PPS

So from my understanding you actually say you joined AWE for this $222 contest and used your network of members on your own site as cows to cash 222 dollars and in return give your members a place on a VIP and pay back some discount to them. All in all, you still would be able to pay back the whole $99 dollar package back if you would cash in $222 a sale.

Sounds like a creative use of milking the system, not sure if you discussed this with AWE before you actually started to do it like this. So perhaps they dont like to see a creative abuse like this on their PPS, honestly their rules and you cant do jack shit.

The way how you did this and how you describe this makes me think there is a lot more behind this then you want to make us believe.

But will see how it plays out here, if it ever / uberhaupt gets plaid out.

I think you are right, Tjeezers.
Like you say, it sounds like the OP could have been a bit creative with "milking the system".

It makes sense that not all $222 sales were counted, because AWE does not count "every" signup, even though their promos said otherwise.

Remember when this "flaw" was pointed out back in June?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=972750

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=951993&page=8

After this attempt of cheating webmasters was exposed, AWE did improve their wording a little on their future promos. Kudos for that...

Good luck having your issue(s) solved. :)

JFK 11-18-2010 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17708402)
stir up problems?

I think you are wrong. I am a well experienced AWE webmaster with positive and some negative ideas on how it works. But still, i am there for 6 years now i believe.

Problems like this have never happened until the $222 promo started. So when it is regarding this, you should know for sure that every sort of creative way of promoting is a risky one when other party, in this case LJ, is not aware of this.

The whole motivation of this post is more then clear to me, but the post itself is not really mirroring the entire situation, thats all I say.

OP used a few creative things to make his members spend $99 packages, and OP was aware he would cash $222 on this. OP tells he is informing AWE he is making them a perfect business, uses a few smoke cloud marketing lines, and tries to tell AWE that he almost knows for sure that these $222 members will continue spending cause they are all member of his escort site and he introduces now his LJ Cams there.

Now, i dont stire up shit when i say PPS programs cant remain alive paying out huge payouts and having a inactive member after 4 weeks. It is a fact that whale campaigns like this stir up shit, it separates the rush player from the life time revenue player.

well thought out reply:thumbsup

digitaldivas 11-18-2010 04:23 AM

I am pulling links now as well.

grumpy 11-18-2010 04:36 AM

the old cookie trick, shitloads is made with that :)

fris 11-18-2010 04:37 AM

can fatfoo save them?

fris 11-18-2010 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 17708331)
Now they have 10K more of free money to buy more popunders at the illegal tubes and filesharing boards. Congrats to the winners.

dont forget torrents and warez sites

2intense 11-18-2010 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris (Post 17708530)
can fatfoo save them?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

2intense 11-18-2010 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitaldivas (Post 17708495)
I am pulling links now as well.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

- LOL - 11-18-2010 04:56 AM

AWempire are also thieves.

They stole the whale image for their banner from my friend and edited out his copyright:

http://www.francoisgohier.com/galler...0macrocephalus

seeandsee 11-18-2010 04:59 AM

early morning drama for me

gimme-website 11-18-2010 05:16 AM

Sounds like the OP is offering "compensated traffic"

xsabn 11-18-2010 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fucksakes (Post 17707864)
I have tested my account many times and always sales were given, just my personal experience thou.

i have tested them many ways.. always ok :thumbsup

ottopottomouse 11-18-2010 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 17708114)
How sure are you that your members/surfers have never been to LJ? They do buy popunder ads to every tube site you can think of. While your surfers might not have gone to LJ directly, isn't it possible a cookie was placed from those popunders when your surfers went to a tube site?
WG

+1

LJ are all over the place and hard to avoid.

ottopottomouse 11-18-2010 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17708356)
the truth will be somewhere in the middle, again....

He actually says in 1st post
  • When I joined AWE, they were running their $222 PPS

So from my understanding you actually say you joined AWE for this $222 contest and used your network of members on your own site as cows to cash 222 dollars and in return give your members a place on a VIP and pay back some discount to them. All in all, you still would be able to pay back the whole $99 dollar package back if you would cash in $222 a sale.

Sounds like a creative use of milking the system, not sure if you discussed this with AWE before you actually started to do it like this. So perhaps they dont like to see a creative abuse like this on their PPS, honestly their rules and you cant do jack shit.

The way how you did this and how you describe this makes me think there is a lot more behind this then you want to make us believe.

But will see how it plays out here, if it ever / uberhaupt gets plaid out.

Sound very feasible actually and there is always two sides to everything (sometimes 3)

signupdamnit 11-18-2010 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machete_ (Post 17708440)
after reading this thread, i'm pulling links now

I don't feel that I can trust them either. It's not only this but other things as well.

- In this thread if you do the math this person appears to have 1:60,000 ratios with them. Unless he means 2k impressions per day? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=997807

- I've read a post from an old rep which basically advanced the idea that affiliates don't deserve rebills anyway, especially not ones who pulled links long ago. Yes, it was in the time of the 14 day cookie. It gave me the impression that there was a culture of disrespect towards affiliates within the company.

- When using their promo materials every X pageviews bring up an advertisement with some lady on it saying "Aren't you the lucky one". My affiliate link is nowhere to be found when this occurs. This isn't a special custom tool either. It's a regular iframe. The problem is well documented elsewhere. They seem to claim it is a technical issue but that seems very convenient to me. This problem is many years old. http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=11179

- http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=594765 The old 14 day cookie was REALLY. BAD. Especially combined with calling it "revshare" and basically playing off the ignorance of webmasters who will assume revshare means the industry standard -- "revshare for life".

- This incident. There are multiple issues but one thing is clear. Unless the OP is flat out lying or a total moron then there is something with either the way that program is setup or the tracking which means affiliates may not be getting all the sales they think they are getting. I see potential technical issues to explain that lack of credit to him, but that still does not nullify the end effect itself which is not what I want to see.

I get that they are a big GFY advertiser but I call it as I see it. I've made up my mind anyway.

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 06:27 AM

@signupdamnit - Culture of disrespect at AWE? I noticed that too, they have tried to intimate that this is all my fault. Especially with the Wire "error". They sent me a PDF file of the "wire confirmation" and they didn't include most of the information they asked for inside their console, including my receiving bank name and address in the "Beneficiary" field. They said they sent the wire with "the information THAT I GAVE THEM in the console" or something to that effect, but their "confirmation" PDF shows they didn't! They usually take 24-48 hours to reply to any email I send, even though it's usually daylight working hours in Hungary when I send them. They are stalling and hoping I'll go away... that's all they're doing.

Overall I feel really "brushed off" by their support. Honestly, it makes me feel more bad then upset.

AWE: IF I DON'T GET PAID WILL NEVER FORGET nor will I let anybody else forget.

2intense 11-18-2010 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 17708654)
i have tested them many ways.. always ok :thumbsup

STFU :1orglaugh

B.Barnato 11-18-2010 06:34 AM

this can maybe go in both direction depends of how much the starter leaves out in story

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 06:36 AM

A wire was promised this week from AWE-Brad FIVE DAYS AGO and still has not arrived as of 5:35 am PST 11-18-2010.

Mickey_ 11-18-2010 06:40 AM

Neil,

In regards to your accusations:


#1 - "20 Sales were never credited to me"


So far you have only provided me with two exact sales for analysis, both of which were credited to another affiliate as the customers, at the time of purchase, had the cookies (or other tracking identifier) of those other two accounts. One of them was a media buy account, the other, a regular AWE affiliate. Feel free to contact me privately and I will share the id of the affiliate the sales were credited to. I will not, however, share any additional personal information about our affiliates.

In regards to your due diligence, as I pointed out to you on our board, you were asking your members an irrelevant question:

Quote:

Had you visited LIVEJASMIN or any other WEBCAM sites within the past month?
As an example, if your members purchased credits on our sites 6 months ago, they would no longer be considered unique, new customers and you would not receive $222 PPS as a commission after their purchase.

#2 - "30 sales were misteriously deemed "fraudulent" six weeks later..."

As stated in my reply to you on our board (and the same reply was sent to you from our support staff as well), thorough risk and fraud analysis flagged the sales you mention as fraudulent. Commissions for these fraudulent sales were deducted and you have been paid for all legitimate sales referred. Details of how sales are flagged as fraudulent cannot be given out for obvious reasons (to retain the effectiveness of our risk management processes)

As you can imagine, we, like any other company, are not be amused by an attempt to be blackmailed, unfortunately, 'cutting a deal with us in order to keep this private' is not an option.

In reference to the 'wise crack'. The wise crack in question was not "my wise crack and only response", it was something you posted on our forum

Quote:

It's tough enough to get sales these days. If you're gonna have an affiliate program in the first place, I think it's pretty slimy for AWE to be competing against your own "salespeople" the way you do.

This just doesn't pass the "sniff test".
and to reply to the below question -
Quote:

If my 31 sales were "fraudulent" then surely I am a total piece of shit affiliate. Why would AWE .. or ANY company for that matter .. keep an affiliate on-board with a proven record of "fraud"?
Our decision to terminate or keep an account active is on a case-by-case basis and depends on many factors. In your case, terminating your affiliate account was not neccessary as commissions for fraudulent sales have been deducted and any legitimate sales were paid out.

If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact me or one of our staff members.

Agent 488 11-18-2010 06:47 AM

great response by awe. i think we can safely wrap up this fiasco and move on.

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 06:48 AM

Did that seem a little dry and vague to anybody else? Especially since he conveniently didn't mention all the MISSED, STALLED, and LATE PAYMENT complaints!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE (Post 17708720)
Neil,

In regards to your accusations:


#1 - "20 Sales were never credited to me"


So far you have only provided me with two exact sales for analysis, both of which were credited to another affiliate as the customers, at the time of purchase, had the cookies (or other tracking identifier) of those other two accounts. One of them was a media buy account, the other, a regular AWE affiliate. Feel free to contact me privately and I will share the id of the affiliate the sales were credited to. I will not, however, share any additional personal information about our affiliates.

In regards to your due diligence, as I pointed out to you on our board, you were asking your members an irrelevant question:



As an example, if your members purchased credits on our sites 6 months ago, they would no longer be considered unique, new customers and you would not receive $222 PPS as a commission after their purchase.

#2 - "30 sales were misteriously deemed "fraudulent" six weeks later..."

As stated in my reply to you on our board (and the same reply was sent to you from our support staff as well), thorough risk and fraud analysis flagged the sales you mention as fraudulent. Commissions for these fraudulent sales were deducted and you have been paid for all legitimate sales referred. Details of how sales are flagged as fraudulent cannot be given out for obvious reasons (to retain the effectiveness of our risk management processes)

As you can imagine, we, like any other company, are not be amused by an attempt to be blackmailed, unfortunately, 'cutting a deal with us in order to keep this private' is not an option.

In reference to the 'wise crack'. The wise crack in question was not "my wise crack and only response", it was something you posted on our forum



and to reply to the below question -


Our decision to terminate or keep an account active is on a case-by-case basis and depends on many factors. In your case, terminating your affiliate account was not neccessary as commissions for fraudulent sales have been deducted and any legitimate sales were paid out.

If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact me or one of our staff members.


BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 06:49 AM

@Agent 488 - Wrap it up? HELL THE FUCK No.... WHERE IS MY AND OTHERS PAYMENTS?

Randy West 11-18-2010 06:49 AM

In defense of AWE, I recently contacted them and told them I was going to stop promoting them. I had an $82 balance, not yet to meet the payout thresh hold of $100.

I created a ticket and asked to be paid out what was owed, and they said no problem. Since, the check has been delivered, cashed, cleared and spent. So no ill will towards them in my book :2 cents:

Agent 488 11-18-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708741)
@Agent 488 - Wrap it up? HELL THE FUCK No.... WHERE IS MY AND OTHERS PAYMENTS?

in the mail.

livegirlsonbed 11-18-2010 06:54 AM

Hi!


If you dont was credited with sales this may be an issue regarding the cookie.

The awempire.com revshare set a cookie with a lifetime of 14 days. If you want to keep your members lifetime you have to turn on Lifetime revshare option from your account.

To be honesti promote awempire starting with 2006, never spoken with my members but i'm happy with my sales there.

Regarding Chargebacks, you can see its in your stats also after 6 months from the time when the sale was made. Its exist and are a problem for all credit card procesors. You can block the poor countries and you will not see so many CBs.

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 07:01 AM

They fucked up my VERY FIRST PAYMENT from them, and my buddies Second Payment... HE did receive his first payment but not any subsequent payment(s).

That's not my only issue with them. They could have fixed that easy by not INSULTING us by telling us there was a major problem with US webmaster bound checks then telling us they're not going to pay us until we submit another "ticket" and authorize a $35 check cancellation fee. I can understand if the problem was say... the check was stolen from an insecure mailbox but it was not! It was "lost" on THEIR END. Like I previously said, NOT A SINGLE CHECK of mine has been lost by the United States Postal Service. Additionally, they're acting like it's not a real high priority of theirs to make this right. $291 or $20,000 ... a missed payment then taking MONTHS to fix it is a fucked up thing to do to an affiliate, especially in this economy. Last year I would of brushed this off and stopped promoting them but I really needed that payment, as I had planned my finances on receiving the first check, I was sure I would receive it because they SEEMED like a reputable company. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Why would anybody keep promoting them if they can't even pay out $291 via a check properly?

The guy who have said "lets move on" was WAYYYYY to quick to come on and say that. The OP's problem is not the only problem affiliates are having with AWEmpire Rep's and company as a whole:

THEY ARE MISSING PAYMENTS AND NOT ACTING QUICK ENOUGH TO FIX IT! ... IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS FOR ME.......

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 07:07 AM

"micky" - where is my wire? Is my money in motion?


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