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-   -   MICKEY @ AWE .. I'm calling you out. You fucked me out of $11,321 and I have PLENTY OF PROOF (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=998027)

Bryan G 11-18-2010 07:32 AM

wheres fatfoo for his official comment

BradBreakfast 11-18-2010 07:43 AM

@Bryan G - Guess they must not of paid him either

Agent 488 11-18-2010 07:46 AM

guess that`s it. no further reply from either party.

so, how is the weather where you are? cold here.

kazbalah 11-18-2010 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 17708114)
How sure are you that your members/surfers have never been to LJ? They do buy popunder ads to every tube site you can think of. While your surfers might not have gone to LJ directly, isn't it possible a cookie was placed from those popunders when your surfers went to a tube site?
WG

That was going to be my point - but for a different reason.

AWE is run by a bunch of dodgey russians, who have pop ups running on every illegal tube site on the net.

Now its the #1 webcam site - Why? Becuase its being popped so much.

And my point here is - Nearly every mother fucker in town is being cookied by them - so your chances of making sales drop - unless you got MASS traffic.

Basicly if you run some small webcam site only promoting AWE - you only make a sale if that surfer HAS NOT been to a tube site in the last month.

I know becuase i sent AWE 20k + hits of webcam traffic and couldnt even make 1 sale.

So thats the kinda company your dealing with their.

CXA 11-18-2010 07:59 AM

Mickey,

You really have all the bases covered. You have your neat little system set up in such a way that your AFFILIATE VICTIMS have no recourse and basically have to take your word for things. You won't say which webmaster got credit so there's no way to verify this with the customer. How convenient?

I think the reason for this "veil of secrecy" is because AWE is usually the webmaster getting credit for these sales.

WHY DO YOU ASK WEBMASTERS TO DO A TEST?
You have it set up so you can't fail because you won't provide the information necessary for an affiliate to prove that AWE skims sales.

With respect to the UNCREDITED sales you are now saying that all these 20 people were LJ customers in the past. WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT. Most of my customers had never heard of LJ much less been a customer.


Regarding the "fraudulent" sales, EVERY ONE of the 104 sales I got for LJ were acquired the same way from the same promotional materials on my site. There were ZERO charge-backs (except for one guy who got double billed).

Why won't you provide me with a list of names of the 30 "bad apples" so I can do my own "risk analysis"? You have everything set up so conveniently. You claim "secrecy reasons" as you FUCK YOUR AFFILIATES UP THE ASS.


You have built a program based on mistrust and back-stabbing. In all fairness, I'm sure that plenty of affiliates don't play by the rules. But judging from the dozens of affiliates that have posted negative comments about AWE on GFY, it sure looks like there are some serious fundamental issues with your program.

Enjoy all the money you make. Just know that scamming the very people that help you make that money has given AWE Totally Toxic Karma.

This is going to be a very expensive $11K for AWE. As I said in my last email to you: Normally this kind of thing is "just business" ... in this case you have made it very personal.

My "crusade" is less than 24 hours old and you've already lost three affiliates. I'm not going away. The site listed in my signature will be a clearinghouse for "all things AWE". All your scams, tricks, techniques, BS policies and lies will be easily searched & sorted. My story will be one of many on the site for all to see.


Mickey, do us all a favor: STFU with remarks like this:
Quote:

If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact me or one of our staff members.
To the uninitiated, you sound like the "concerned, accessible professional" To people that have dealt with you you sound like a disingenuous piece of shit.

I have emailed, PMed and ICQed you MANY TIMES with no response. The only time you have responded is when I submitted a ticket or posted on your board or GFY.

I'm really pissed at myself for not checking into AWE's reputation before I joined up with you. Live & learn



HomerSimpson 11-18-2010 08:18 AM

neverending dramas with AWE...

kazbalah 11-18-2010 08:26 AM

Yea dont worry brad, funds are in motion :P

kazbalah 11-18-2010 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CXA (Post 17708219)
Here is a post I made on AWE last week:

http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=11148

DISTURBING REVELATION: AWE is our biggest competitor ... Say it ain't so

For 11 years I have run a tight-knit adult social network site. Last June I signed up with AWE / LJ after meeting Douglas at the XBIZ show in Las Vegas. LJ would be a great 'fit'

Pretty soon after I started promoting AWE I started having issues with my sales getting credited to other webmasters.

I knew this was the case because my Members -- many of whom have been with me for more than five years -- were encouraged to try LiveJasmin and email me to be included on my WebCam VIP list.

When I wrote to support to inquire why two of these sales were not showing up on my commission list I was told that they were credited to another webmaster and no other information was available. Well, that sucked.

I then wrote to the two guys and asked them if they had been to LJ recently. Neither one of them had ever been to LJ. One guy had gone to CAM4.com, but he clears his cookies / temp files / cache on a daily basis

Fast forward to yesterday.

I was chatting on ICQ with Douglas and I asked him if someone goes to a site like PornHub.com and a LiveJasmin popup / popunder appears out of nowhere, would that set a cookie?

Imagine my surprise when he said "yes"

Keep in mind that LJ cookies are NON-REWRITABLE. So, if someone gets a LJ cookie from PAID ADVERTISING on a NON-WEBCAM site, and then DAYS LATER goes to LJ INTENTIONALLY as a result of your marketing efforts then AWE get the sale.

NOTE TO AWE: Please let me know if I explained it wrong.

If this is in fact the case then I for one am VERY DISTURBED by this revelation.

Douglas tells me that this is common knowledge among affiliate webmasters.

Well, I can tell you that I was in a state of shock when I learned this. In essence AWE is BY FAR our biggest competitor.

Maybe I was naive but I thought that a surfer would need to actually visit LJ in order for a cookie to be set.

By my count I have lost approximately 20 sales out of 100. That's 20% ... One out of five.

AWE won't help one bit to explain who got the sale and how. I have several letters from other clients all saying the same thing .. that they hadn't been to LJ. Most had never been to a webcam site at all before I explained what camming was all about and how fun it was.

At the time I didn't think to ask if they had been to PornHub or some other site where they might have picked up the AWE cookie.

This "surprise cookie" revelation explains a lot and I am not a happy camper

Please weigh in on this. Is this common knowledge? Do other sites do this?

Is it something many / most / all sites do? Or is AWE a special situation in the industry?

Of course AWE has a huge marketing budget .. but do the other sites do it on some level or another?

Let's see if this thread stays up for long

Hit me up on ICQ
264-118-553

Hey ive just said this shit in 3 different threads.

Why do you think all these big tube sites are popping up live jasmine?

Do pop ups all of a sudden convert MAD for tube sites? Alas no.

They are popping them becuase if they cookie millions of people, and any of those buy LJ credits - they will get the sale.

They steal content, make a huge site and then even steal your sales... aweeesoooommeee!!

CXA 11-18-2010 08:43 AM

Mickey:

Here's where "The rubber hits the road"

If both of the TEST CASES I provided you say that they had either not been to LJ within the previous 30 days from when they joined ... or ... they had never been to LJ at all, ever.

And ... they both state that they had never been members of LJ or a white-label / cobrand. Would you want me to tell them that you are calling them a liar?

What PROOF can you offer me that they DID go to LJ or an affiliate?

If you don't offer proof then it's your word against theirs .. and the 18 others.

What'syour solution to this problem. We all want to hear

Klen 11-18-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 17708958)
Hey ive just said this shit in 3 different threads.

Why do you think all these big tube sites are popping up live jasmine?

Do pop ups all of a sudden convert MAD for tube sites? Alas no.

They are popping them becuase if they cookie millions of people, and any of those buy LJ credits - they will get the sale.

They steal content, make a huge site and then even steal your sales... aweeesoooommeee!!

Yes the irony in this thread,it actually proves how is bad idea to promote awe since sale would go to other affiliate due to their presence everywhere.

2intense 11-18-2010 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 17708867)

Now its the #1 webcam site - Why?

no,is not # 1 webcam site .............

CXA 11-18-2010 08:54 AM

Weren't there a few guys here that wanted to bring in the lawyers? Whatever happened to that?

If you're a lawyer or want to join me in retaining one, please contact me privately.

Does anyone know where AWE's main office is located?


Agent 488 11-18-2010 08:59 AM

i heard awe world headquarters has moved to sealand. good luck on serving them there.

lazycash 11-18-2010 09:04 AM

CXA, I just want you to clarify in regards to your members signing up to LJ. What exactly were you offering them if they signed up and then emailed you confirming?

Altwebdesign 11-18-2010 09:13 AM

here we go. . .

xsabn 11-18-2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 17708704)
STFU :1orglaugh

you promote the biggest thieves from entire adult biz, and you know it's true..
so.. AWE is OK, i bet this will end soon.. a big program always have big enemies

TurboAngel 11-18-2010 10:33 AM

Wow........

Mickey_ 11-18-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708221)
AwEmpire has stalled paying me around $291.xx for the past 2 months. First it was a "lost" check in the mail even-though the USPS has never ever lost a single check of mine. They admitted there was a problem with their payouts, but forced me to agree to a $35 cancellation fee before they would send a WIRE, then did not include all my bank information they wanted in the WIRE which, they said, was "RETURNED". It seems they are utilizing STALL tactics and I DON'T LIKE IT.

TWO MOTNHS LATER They still have not paid me. WHERE IS MY MONEY AWEMPIRE?

My business partner also has an outstanding payment they never paid him, so the problem isn't unique just Mr. CXA

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708246)
They have fake American-sounding names like "Brad" and "Dave" but when one of their reps replied to my emails, the "senders name" was "Naggy" not "Brad".... they're supposedly in Hungary.

I really hope nobody nominated them for "Affiliate Program of the Year" for the xBiz 2011 Awards, as they've drug there feet paying me... and other people I know.

"AWEmpire Named XBIZ Summer Forum Platinum Sponsor" .... was it with skimmed affiliate money?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708264)
@BCyber - Yeah tell me about it. I have had other affiliate programs paying me $100-800 weekly with no problems, one affiliate program paid me $35k just last year OFF ONE SITE. What AwEmpire is doing is disgusting and is obviously wide spread.

I believe CXA because the same thing is happening to me, right now as me, and another affiliate I referred to AwEmpire as we speak.

I'll be happy to post when I get paid, but after all my time chasing this payment for 2 months is almost not going to be worth it.

If I don't receive payment like I told AwEmpire, I'll have to tell anybody who mentions AwEmpire about my experience and their non-payment... and as I told them, I'm only 26 years old and in this business FOR THE LONG HAUL!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708286)
Awempire dave ... Where are you and where is our money?


If I'm not paid... I'll be submitting fraudulent processing complaints to VISA and MASTERCARD directly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708307)
I too have removed all their flash apps (that cause multiple unwanted pop-ups if your visitors leave your site open too long), as well as their links until I'm paid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708312)
@crazygirls - It's money that's owed to me, being unjustly withheld, and until I get it, I'm not going to shut up. No offense to you.

With that being said, that's all I'm going to say about that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708314)
@2intense - I first thought it was just Chrome web browser, so I idled on my sites in FireFox, and their "Live cam" flash banners didn't just do 1 or 2 popups but like 6 all in a row and they were hard to close. I pulled those from my small-but-profitable network of sites as fast as I could. I don't want to send visitors to shady ass affiliates or I'll lose credibility with them and there will be no repeat sales, and without those my business would eventually die due to the lack of trust.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708323)
AWEmpire = Next ePassporte level scandal ??????

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708361)
@Tjeezers - If AwEmpire isn't scamming everybody and supporting illegal tube sites [why do they care, you can't pirate LIVE shows... you can record them and pirate them, but it's not the same effect].. where is wildwildwest's and my payments. I'm starting to think this is wide spread and now only coming to light because people are hoping to still get paid.... I, myself have been warning AwEmpire rep's I'll go to the boards if I am not paid. They keep promising payment and their time lapses and they promise it again..... FOR TWO MONTHS.

I ask if you are not having an issue yourself please don't try to distract people from the issue at hand. Thanks :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708387)
@Tjeezers - I'm a victim of AWEmpire myself as well and this isn't a case of "mob mentality". I do not need to "read between the lines." This is my last response to you, as it's obvious you're just trying to stir up problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast (Post 17708413)
Just so everybody knows I inserted their ready-made flash banners on my blog sidebars and did a post or two about them with a screen capture as the post graphic including an honest review. That's the extent of the creativeness of my promotion.

I still have not been paid.

Brad,

Contrary to your speculation ('trying to stall') lost checks were, in fact, reported by a few of our US affiliates. Unfortunately the check void fees are imposed by the issuing company/bank and the fee has to be passed onto the affiliate.

With all due respect, I don't see how your case compares to that of Neil's. Your check was lost, our accounts payable dept. sent a replacement wire transfer, which only made it to your intermediary bank and could not advance to the destination bank due to one missing field (ABA #). You received an official PDF confirmation from our support staff, that stated your commission was indeed sent. Having said all this, do you honestly believe in the crusade you've started going from thread to thread stating AWE doesn't pay, using stall tactics, "Next ePassporte level scandal", submitting fraudulent processing reports to VISA and MC, etc.? Honest question.

I understand you're new to AWE and with the recent closing of many affiliate programs, affiliates are more cautious when it comes to payment issues, but AWE did not open its doors yesterday and our staff has always worked hard to ensure AWE partners receive their payment, whether it is WebmasterChecks funds frozen or ePassporte being shut down, our affiliates received their commissions, even though the payments were made using our own reserves not knowing whether we would be able to recover the frozen funds or not.

Also, please email us information about the flash promo tool issue you mentioned, as we do not have any flash promo tools that open any popups, our team would like to investigate.

Thank you.

2intense 11-18-2010 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 17709286)
you promote the biggest thieves from entire adult biz, and you know it's true..
so.. AWE is OK, i bet this will end soon.. a big program always have big enemies

ha ha ha ,u know is # 1 adult cam site

lazycash 11-18-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 17708958)
Hey ive just said this shit in 3 different threads.

Why do you think all these big tube sites are popping up live jasmine?

Do pop ups all of a sudden convert MAD for tube sites? Alas no.

They are popping them becuase if they cookie millions of people, and any of those buy LJ credits - they will get the sale.

They steal content, make a huge site and then even steal your sales... aweeesoooommeee!!

Bingo, even if you get your site visitor to clickthrough your livejasmin link, there's a good chance they are already cookied to an awe house account from a tube site and you won't get credit for the sale. Anyone checked to see if the cookie put on by their ad popups is 14 day or lifetime?

Only way I'd ever consider promoting AWE is if they did away with their cookie system and just tracked by account. If I send a visitor to a cam site, they sign up and fund an account, I want all the revshare from that account. This is the way most cam sponsors do it.

FlexxAeon 11-18-2010 11:54 AM

still laughing at 'sniff test'

Roald 11-18-2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 17708958)
....

Why do you think all these big tube sites are popping up live jasmine?

Do pop ups all of a sudden convert MAD for tube sites? Alas no.

They are popping them becuase if they cookie millions of people, and any of those buy LJ credits - they will get the sale.

I do think this is a valid question as I recall Mickey saying the cookie is only set when they click on the popunder.

Mickey?

Mickey_ 11-18-2010 11:57 AM

copy-paste of my reply regarding popunders from another thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE (Post 17709200)
One thing I feel is important to clarify:

The mentioned popunders do not place cookies unless the user clicks through.
We do not condone or allow cookie stuffing and have various internal checks in place to weed out any would-be cookie stuffers. However, if you do come across any affiliate sites cookie stuffing please report them to us and they will be dealt with.

As a personal comment: I understand the easiest way to justify performance issues is by finding outside factors to blame, it's human nature, I've probably done it, you've probably done it, all of us have probably done it at one point or another. My experience is (both corporate and personal), if you're willing to accept this and work on not trying to justify performance issues and actively look for ways to adapt to the changes and get creative, your ventures will be a lot more successful.

'Adapt' can be very vague, so here's an example: if you feel larger free sites are hard to compete with as users may have become familiar with our flagship product via advertising on these sites, feel free to promote any of our 8 additional official sites or your own co-brand/whitelabel. There are a variety of options we have to offer.


Roald 11-18-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE (Post 17709557)
copy-paste of my reply regarding popunders from another thread:

Thanks, that must explain why we convert pretty well on Mycams :thumbsup

CXA 11-18-2010 12:07 PM

Mickey:

MANY OF US LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST
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signupdamnit 11-18-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17708688)
- When using their promo materials every X pageviews bring up an advertisement with some lady on it saying "Aren't you the lucky one". My affiliate link is nowhere to be found when this occurs. This isn't a special custom tool either. It's a regular iframe. The problem is well documented elsewhere. They seem to claim it is a technical issue but that seems very convenient to me. This problem is many years old. http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=11179

To provide some evidence of what I was referring to here is a screenshot of what comes up:

http://oi53.tinypic.com/1zoexr9.jpg (or http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zoexr9&s=7 )

Here's another person asking about it on their forum: http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=10151

Supposedly it's an "old bug"

You'll notice how it has an action verb telling the surfer to "CLICK CLICK". The "CLICK CLICK" leads to http://www.2.livejasmin.com/allonline.php without your affiliate code.

So if this appears on an iframe on your site and a surfer clicks it, then it basically funnels the surfer to their own site without giving you any credit.

If it's really just a bug, it was time for them to fix it a long time ago. They need to do so immediately. :2 cents:

edit: Here's another person reporting seeing this on a co-branded site: http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=346 Note the date - 2006!

CXA 11-18-2010 12:14 PM

Mickey:

Kindly answer a simple question:

Where is your main office located?


Agent 488 11-18-2010 12:19 PM

free willy.

sextoyking 11-18-2010 12:26 PM

I never knew companies in our industry charged a stop / void check fee....

If one of our affiliates doesn't get his or her check - we just stop that check and send another....

Hope you guys get this all worked out.

Peace

Todd

JFK 11-18-2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 17708577)
early morning drama for me

well its afternoon edition by now ;)

JFK 11-18-2010 12:35 PM

One fitty ............Dramas

NaughtyVisions 11-18-2010 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sextoyking (Post 17709630)
I never knew companies in our industry charged a stop / void check fee....

If one of our affiliates doesn't get his or her check - we just stop that check and send another....

I was thinking the same thing. It's not the affiliate's fault the check was lost, why does the fee have to be passed on to the affiliate? Next time my check for my utility bill gets lost in the mail, I'll be sure to pass the stop check fee on to them. :disgust

alias 11-18-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - LOL - (Post 17708569)
AWempire are also thieves.

They stole the whale image for their banner from my friend and edited out his copyright:

http://www.francoisgohier.com/galler...0macrocephalus

He is talented. :thumbsup:thumbsup

sextoyking 11-18-2010 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 17709658)
I was thinking the same thing. It's not the affiliate's fault the check was lost, why does the fee have to be passed on to the affiliate? Next time my check for my utility bill gets lost in the mail, I'll be sure to pass the stop check fee on to them. :disgust



hahaha, get a generator first :) LOL

alias 11-18-2010 12:56 PM

Man the harpoons, it's whale hunting time.

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.c...e_harpoons.jpg

ShellyCrash 11-18-2010 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sextoyking (Post 17709630)
I never knew companies in our industry charged a stop / void check fee....

If one of our affiliates doesn't get his or her check - we just stop that check and send another....

Hope you guys get this all worked out.

Peace

Todd


Ditto to this. Doesn't seem right to pass the cost on to the webmaster, especially if more than one check went missing. :2 cents:

CXA 11-18-2010 01:26 PM

The problem with AWE is that they treat their affiliates as if they are the enemy. They don't give a rats ass if their screw-up causes problems for their affiliates. This is abundantly evident from their policies and practices.

I posted this on the AWE board in the midst of the "check is in the mail ... not" fiasco:


I used to work as an Institutional Bond Trader for a Wall Street brokerage firm. This was in the late 1980's.

If a payment was ever delayed they would do whatever it took to get us paid ASAP. Replacement checks would be sent from the home office by Express FedEX within 12 hours. Sometimes they would send a Courier if FedEX wasn't an option.

They would do this even if the commission amount was a few hundred bucks
That my friends is how truly professional companies that derive their income from a sales force treat their people.

If a manager ever made his people wait for payment because of a company screw-up, he'd be fired in a heartbeat and would never work on Wall Street again.

This isn't Wall Street, that's for sure. I just hope it's not the sewer that runs under the street. As I said in my original post, how AWE handles this will show me how much they think of their money-makers.

Will they be AWE-some or will they be AWE-ful. We'll see

signupdamnit 11-18-2010 01:46 PM

That's how it used to be in Adult as well. I had one major sponsor (of old) "bounce" a check when they changed banks. He wrote me a check from his personal account and sent it via Fed Ex and volunteered to pay any additional fees. He was very apologetic about the whole thing.

Back then being an affiliate was more of a partnership. These days it's often more one way with the sponsor looking for every way they can to possibly screw you over and minimize you. The whole attitude has changed and it shows. 95% of programs by old standards are operating a scam on affiliates. But that's the old standards. It's very different now what is considered acceptable... I'm thinking more and more of flat out refusing to send any traffic to anyone who doesn't live 100% up to my standards on what I see as an ideal affiliate. Perhaps that's better than settling and growing some crook's business for them. :2 cents: It might mean staying out of some areas but so be it.

digitaldivas 11-18-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17709850)
That's how it used to be in Adult as well. I had one major sponsor (of old) "bounce" a check when they changed banks. He wrote me a check from his personal account and sent it via Fed Ex and volunteered to pay any additional fees. He was very apologetic about the whole thing.

Back then being an affiliate was more of a partnership. These days it's often more one way with the sponsor looking for every way they can to possibly screw you over and minimize you. The whole attitude has changed and it shows. 95% of programs by old standards are operating a scam on affiliates. But that's the old standards. It's very different now what is considered acceptable...

true this

lazycash 11-18-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17709056)
CXA, I just want you to clarify in regards to your members signing up to LJ. What exactly were you offering them if they signed up and then emailed you confirming?

Not sure if you missed my question cxa, but could you answer it?


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