I don't have any issues with it at all. In fact I have looked at some of the reports and docs that I sent up the chain when I was in Iraq in 2004, 2005, 2006. (They were very hard to find in the thousands of docs on wikileaks) Nothing in anything I have seen is of value to anyone at this point in time. Maybe a little embarrassing to some folks. I still hold an active TS (SCI) clearance for contract work that I do off and on. Trust me, none of what is being released is Top Secret, at best it is confidential..:2 cents:

However it is still true that the USSR's attempt to stay up to par in the Arms race during the cold war lent itself to the collapse of the USSR...end of story.

Where did you get that?

[QUOTE=theking;17734050]I'm a little confused, this is out of context I hope

Sorry, I didn't know this was a popularity contest

I didn't vote for him, good luck finding anyone on this forum that thinks I do

Sorry, I thought you could read, I said the USSR, not russia, forgive me for thinking you could read

[QUOTE=Vendzilla;17734100]Where did you get that?

He got it from President Bush saying it and my response is in the context of the "bring it on" statement by President Bush.

Only a portion of this is about USA.

If our governments did something wrong or illegal, then we need to know and bring justice. We need to know who we can trust and they shouldn't do something we don't want them to do. More people will suffer and die, if the wrong people rule the world. Maybe some will die in the process, there will be damage, but rather that than living with lies and die for nothing.

actually it's an intelligence contest - and you're about to lose it

your tax dollars - your sweat and toil - you have the right to see where it goes:

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

My bad, I was expecting you to know world history.

He was acting on behalf of American people and that includes you. I hold you far more responsible for putting your soldiers in danger than some Ausie who is exercising his freedom of speech.

While I have not gone through very much of the info...and have no intentions of going through it all...what I have seen does not seem to be of much import...other than being as you stated "a little embarrassing" and for the most part would only have a security level of "classified" or "confidential" status.

The last big release from WikiLeaks was scrubbed for any current "top secret" information with some government co-operation. What was released contained mainly bureaucratic type of data that was perhaps classified at the time. Years later, this type of information has very little(if any) sensitivity, or current battlefield implications.

In Canada the information that we think the government was hiding, was that prisoners were being turned over to Afghan security were then being tortured. Also possibly that the government unilaterally had committed to a mission extension prior to informing the opposition parties for debate, or the general public.

Don't forget that WikiLeaks were the ones that published the Austrailian censorship lists that not only had suspected, but other sites that were not favorable to the government.

Analysis: Wikileaks vindicate, don’t damage, Israel

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=197131

who does Julian Assange really work for?

assante needs to be a man of the year. if not decade. liars, crooks, needs to be exposed. like someone else said: the entire US (and other) government just got TSA's and balls groped by wikileaks.

Most people don't give a rats ass how it makes the President look. Transparency is more important than your perception of him, period. I sure wish there was a wikileaks for the last 100 years, could have put an end to the thousands of bullshit things our Government did and got away with for decades.

absolutely! I can not believe how simple minded some people are if they think wikileaks is the one who put them in "harm's way"..

oh, and wikileaks didnt make this documents - remember, they were given to wikileaks probasbl by top US diplomats and of course military personnel. What happened with the "dont kill the messenger". It is a sad day in our time when all the dirty mess is coming out and people are angry at who leaked it instead of who made this mess in the first place..

The current Secretary General of NATO and former Prime Minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen gave two promises to Turkish ministers in return of them voting for him. The first was to censor a turkish television channel in Denmark and second to give them a top position in NATO. After elected, according to the leak, he didn't keep his promise and they cried about it.

Corruption and betrayal. Love it. :upsidedow

Like I said, I was talking about the USSR, you changed the subject, please learn to read

Who are you talking about again? And what does it have to do with keeping secrets?

Intelligence, the thing the CIA uses or the thing you lack? If you're going to go on about how the US is perceived in the rest of the world, thats cool, I want to pull the aid to those countries anyways

I've noticed one thing about you, you disagree with everyone

I've noticed about you that when you're losing arguments you start firing away at the people arguing and say nothing about what you're actually arguing.

If that is what you think then you have a severe problem with comprehension. It is no secret that I am a liberal, one pretty much has to be to be in this business. I'm also anti government bullshit which is a lot of what has been covered up. I'm also anti preemptive war in most cases since it makes us less safe, is usually done for political reasons only and costs us so much money that we can't afford to provide healthcare to those that need it.

Almost everything conservatives do comes down to an irrational fear, lack of understanding on an issue, absolute greed or 100% blind hatred. Since I am wholly opposed to fucking ignorance and irrational behavior those with conservative viewpoints have a tendency to really piss me the fuck off.

Almost everything you and the handful of conservative porn webmasters around here post is some off the wall misrepresentation of what is really going on or a call to stop something because it scares your spineless ass shitless. The fear is irrational in almost all cases and it's a pathetic way to live.

I do understand that conservatives are born this way, and will probably die at least as stupid as they are right now but I still put my two cents in so those that aren't irrational don't get fooled by your deceptive and / or scaredy cat bullshit. While cognitive dissonance is something you will always have not everyone reading suffers from the same affliction so my comments are aimed at them.

In short, you probably think I disagree with everyone because I am very vocal about my opinions and they are by default going to be opposite of what you, and those like you, think. I am extremely rational and use reason in everything I do. Conservatives are the exact opposite, small fucking wonder they can't see eye to eye with someone that puts actual thought into their stance. :2 cents:

I reply in the same way I'm replied to, when they change the subject, I do the same, it's like liberals, instead of argueing weather Obama is an idiot or not, they blame Bush instead

Or weather the Stimulus has worked ,again, they say it prevented job loss, which is something that can't be proved.

Or the guys that just call me names, they can't understand when I return the favor

If you want a debate on something, stick to the subject and we'll do just fine

His "argument" is a simple one...and one that he cannot lose...he does not like the leaks and neither do I.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Well this post certainly is opinionated...and opinions are of little import to anyone other than the one offering the opinion. BTW...many of the opinions you offer in this post...I consider to be pigshit...but that of course is just my opinion.

a) I'm talking about social conservatism.

b) Pretty much everything I commented on is factual and has been proven factual by people much smarter than me. Unfortunately for my arguments, conservatives aren't big friends of facts.

Conservatives and liberals are different to the core. Irrational fear is a trait of conservatives.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Pig shit away.

"Facts" are a tricky thing and often are in the eye of the beholder...often more subjective than objective. I really did not need a link providing another person's opinions...thank you very much.

Facts are rarely tricky sir. Something that is subjective is not, in fact, a fact.

this is what puts him in the same boat as "the demon" and any other teabagger - they all stick to personal insults when it comes to real arguments. pathetic

Well...I offered my opinion about "facts"...and you responded with your opinion about "facts"...and the only opinion here that is of any import to me...is my opinion...but feel free to continue presenting your opinions...as I know you will.

Quoted for the sheer absurdity of the statement and a perfect example of the conservative mindset.

Holy shit. :1orglaugh

Invading nations and starting illegal wars does tend to put people in danger.

Childkilling is encouraged?

I have never been a member of the Republican party but I do have certain conservative views...such as being a fiscal conservative and a couple of other areas. I am an Independent and consider myself to be a political moderate with some leaning to liberalism/the left.

If you read more of my posts, you would know I'm anti-government, don't like war and want a healthcare law that works, not what just got shoved down our throats that the people that wrote it are exempt from

More government cost more, more taxes, More overhead, that's the principal understanding I have for smaller government, is that the conservative approach you are saying I'm irrational about and how does that work?

So, i speak how I feel about something, how is that spineless? You are doing the same?

Actually, if you look at the trends, as people get older, they become more conservative, it's been that way for a while.
It's my belief that a balanced government, like what we are getting now or what we had from 94 to 2000 is what works best for the country, I have conservative views when it comes to being fiscal, but I don't always go with the rest of the agenda. I didn't like Bush and I don't like us going to war. I hate censorship which is something that Obama tried with Fox news.
And the reason the stimulus failed was bureaucracy, they didn't take that into account

Or some even yet just change the subject, then when that doesn't work, yell from the peanut gallery

Vendzilla, I am socially liberal. I would much prefer a smaller government. The problem is claiming you want a smaller government but fighting tooth and nail about programs that carry the most costs, the military for example.

Also, whether you will admit it or not you do a lot of party bashing based on half truths and / or pure talking points. Maybe you haven't investigated further, maybe you know you're being disingenuous and just don't care. Either way, when you do it you are acting like every other conservative out there and it accomplishes nothing but a giant hate party in both directions.

enough about left right bullshit back to wikileaks.

Well, he also lied to the Danes. Why should the Turks receive any special treatment? :winkwink:

This is not a "bash USA contest" but I still want to laugh at such ridiculous statements - ironically coming from someone who's country is technically bankrupt.
Take a look if you have forgotten the sad reality. www.usDebtClock.org

As if Germany is on the receiving end of financial aid. Last time I checked, the German economy is the one who pays the bill and gives financial support to its weaker neighbouring economies.

Maybe this is an intelligence contest, after all. :1orglaugh