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Old 01-30-2018, 01:47 AM   #351
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I'm somewhat disheartened to see this thread. I just got into the adult webmaster game late last year and Naughty America was one of my highest converting programs.

Unfortunately now that its time to get paid out I see this thread. I'm in the same boat as many of you, weeks without a response from Crystal.

And on top of that my 'backup' program Pimproll just banned me.

Has the adult industry always been like this?
Did they give you the reason for the ban?
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Banned you for what?

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Old 01-30-2018, 02:31 AM   #354
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I'm somewhat disheartened to see this thread. I just got into the adult webmaster game late last year and Naughty America was one of my highest converting programs.

Unfortunately now that its time to get paid out I see this thread. I'm in the same boat as many of you, weeks without a response from Crystal.

And on top of that my 'backup' program Pimproll just banned me.

Has the adult industry always been like this?
Whenever I look at my Nifty Stats, which are constantly declining anyway, I subtract 25% from the total under the assumption that I ultimately wont get paid.

I've been an affiliate for a decade and I would say that the vr porn sponsors seem to be the worst. I suspect it's down to VR porn growth flatlining and not skyrocketing as everybody hoped for (or prayed for). There are still a handful of very good sponsors with excellent trustworthy affiliate support - like Badoink - but I don't think it can be a coincidence that some of the worst sponsors around at the moment for not paying or scamming are in the vr porn sphere.

BTW, I personally haven't had any problems at all with PimpRoll and consider them one of the best.

The thing with Naughty Revenue is I can't believe they are scammers, it's just perhaps utter mindblowing stupidity at the top. You have their CEO Ian Paul giving interviews every week to the mainstream press about how VR porn is the future, even being the only porn company to be allowed to showcase at the CES, they are shooting more new scenes each week than anyone, and yet they don't seem to have a clue that all this is worthless in the longrun without the support of affiliates, especially their VR porn affiliates. Even just hiring a part-time intern to help out Crystal with accounts or affiliate management might make the difference between Naughty Revenue being a billion dollar company in ten years time or going bankrupt in 5 years.

If you Google 'VR porn', Naughty America are nowhere to be seen (apart from being mentioned in the mainstream tech articles that appear in the rankings below the tube sites). They haven't been paying VRPorn.com, which is number 1 on Google, and likely to remain so there or thereabouts for years. What the hell is the point of spending tens of thousands of dollars on media campaigns when whoever organizing the affiliate side of things is so dense as not to understand the importance of at least keeping your biggest affiliates happy???
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It's clearly not a manpower issue.

If it was, once they get to you, they would pay out the full amount owed.

But they're always paying out only smaller fractions. (Unless they only owe you a few hundred dollars to begin with.)
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I'm somewhat disheartened to see this thread. I just got into the adult webmaster game late last year and Naughty America was one of my highest converting programs.

Unfortunately now that its time to get paid out I see this thread. I'm in the same boat as many of you, weeks without a response from Crystal.

And on top of that my 'backup' program Pimproll just banned me.

Has the adult industry always been like this?
Why did they ban you?
99% are ok - but there are always people who think they are "smarter".
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Old 01-30-2018, 03:32 AM   #357
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Pimproll has been solid for me, no problems.
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Did they give you the reason for the ban?
I was able to speak with Glen and get things sorted out reasonably quickly. It ended up being a misunderstanding.

I agree with many of the other comments here. Besides this relatively minor blip Pimproll has been fairly solid for me as well. And has been converting very well.

I too have a hard time believing a well-known company like Naughty America is trying to scam users, but it seems like there is something fishy going on. Hopefully some of you bigger guys can get paid out! I'd be going nuts if I was owed $60k!
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I was able to speak with Glen and get things sorted out reasonably quickly. It ended up being a misunderstanding.

I agree with many of the other comments here. Besides this relatively minor blip Pimproll has been fairly solid for me as well. And has been converting very well.

I too have a hard time believing a well-known company like Naughty America is trying to scam users, but it seems like there is something fishy going on. Hopefully some of you bigger guys can get paid out! I'd be going nuts if I was owed $60k!
Glad you were able to work it out with Glen. Pimproll has been rock solid since the start.
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Hopefully some of you bigger guys can get paid out! I'd be going nuts if I was owed $60k!
I know someone who's owed even more, seems it's better that they owe you a couple hundred bucks, they seem to pay out those after months of trying
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Whenever I look at my Nifty Stats, which are constantly declining anyway, I subtract 25% from the total under the assumption that I ultimately wont get paid.

I've been an affiliate for a decade and I would say that the vr porn sponsors seem to be the worst. I suspect it's down to VR porn growth flatlining and not skyrocketing as everybody hoped for (or prayed for). There are still a handful of very good sponsors with excellent trustworthy affiliate support - like Badoink - but I don't think it can be a coincidence that some of the worst sponsors around at the moment for not paying or scamming are in the vr porn sphere.

BTW, I personally haven't had any problems at all with PimpRoll and consider them one of the best.

The thing with Naughty Revenue is I can't believe they are scammers, it's just perhaps utter mindblowing stupidity at the top. You have their CEO Ian Paul giving interviews every week to the mainstream press about how VR porn is the future, even being the only porn company to be allowed to showcase at the CES, they are shooting more new scenes each week than anyone, and yet they don't seem to have a clue that all this is worthless in the longrun without the support of affiliates, especially their VR porn affiliates. Even just hiring a part-time intern to help out Crystal with accounts or affiliate management might make the difference between Naughty Revenue being a billion dollar company in ten years time or going bankrupt in 5 years.

If you Google 'VR porn', Naughty America are nowhere to be seen (apart from being mentioned in the mainstream tech articles that appear in the rankings below the tube sites). They haven't been paying VRPorn.com, which is number 1 on Google, and likely to remain so there or thereabouts for years. What the hell is the point of spending tens of thousands of dollars on media campaigns when whoever organizing the affiliate side of things is so dense as not to understand the importance of at least keeping your biggest affiliates happy???
He's right, stop promoting VR.
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:45 AM   #362
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It's clearly not a manpower issue.

If it was, once they get to you, they would pay out the full amount owed.

But they're always paying out only smaller fractions. (Unless they only owe you a few hundred dollars to begin with.)
Well clearly they have financial issues, but it's still hard to explain why they are not prioritizing their more important affiliates including VR (given that they have invested so much in that area and are continuing to do so). Even if they were outright scammers it wouldn't make sense not to try to keep the guys sending them the sales (now and even more so in the future) at least somewhat happy. Good luck in being the market leader in VR porn in ten years if not a single affiliate is willing to promote you. If there was any kind of honesty on their part there would be no problem. Not only do they not tell affiliates what exactly is going on, in many cases they don't even reply to e-mails anymore (36 hours since I sent four of their staff a mail politely asking for info about next payment - no reply yet).
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** IMPORTANT UPDATE ***

Well, good news, today i have received an email from Mike (NTA)
*and* the payment via PAYPAL.

So, they fixed the issue, and sent me the paypal as i requested.

All I can say is that, in my case, they were truthful to their word.

With some delays, but the payment was delivered.

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** IMPORTANT UPDATE ***

Well, good news, today i have received an email from Mike (NTA)
*and* the payment via PAYPAL.

So, they fixed the issue, and sent me the paypal as i requested.

All I can say is that, in my case, they were truthful to their word.

With some delays, but the payment was delivered.

THANKS.
how many emails, messages, handjobs ... did it take you?
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how many emails, messages, handjobs ... did it take you?
daily mails for many many days but... as i was losing hope reading this thread
the answering mails started to arrive more frequently and then the payment...
so... happy ending
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Wow they finally paid 1 affiliate out of the 1000's they have screwed. Remember what I said about Mike been savvy and dangling a carrot on a stick? That's what he did here, he pays one affiliate knowing that affiliate will report the "good news" on the board and Mike is hoping the rest of the affiliates will be foolish enough to keep their links up.

Links up = equals more referrals = more affiliates to continue scamming

That's how Naughty Revenue has been scamming people for years.

Don't get me wrong JJota, glad you got paid, but this scam with Naughty Revenue never ends.
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Wow they finally paid 1 affiliate out of the 1000's they have screwed. Remember what I said about Mike been savvy and dangling a carrot on a stick? That's what he did here, he pays one affiliate knowing that affiliate will report the "good news" on the board and Mike is hoping the rest of the affiliates will be foolish enough to keep their links up.

Links up = equals more referrals = more affiliates to continue scamming

That's how Naughty Revenue has been scamming people for years.

Don't get me wrong JJota, glad you got paid, but this scam with Naughty Revenue never ends.

I understand. Obviously your experience with them has been different and you have all the right to say it, i can only speak for me, and in my case, they always payed in the past, via check (La Touraine) and I never had any problem, nothing to say. Until some months ago when in order to receive the payment as requested I had to repeteadly email them and wait for a reply.

In any case, I wish someone from NaughtyAmerica could come here and address the concerns. Nowayads, making new sales in the online porn biz is harder than ever, so literally every single dollar counts. And they have such a great archive of talent on their sites... like a whos who in the xxx entertainment world for the past 10 years... so, well, I wish that every other webmaster gets paid too... regards!
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I understand. Obviously your experience with them has been different and you have all the right to say it, i can only speak for me, and in my case, they always payed in the past, via check (La Touraine) and I never had any problem, nothing to say. Until some months ago when in order to receive the payment as requested I had to repeteadly email them and wait for a reply.

In any case, I wish someone from NaughtyAmerica could come here and address the concerns. Nowayads, making new sales in the online porn biz is harder than ever, so literally every single dollar counts. And they have such a great archive of talent on their sites... like a whos who in the xxx entertainment world for the past 10 years... so, well, I wish that every other webmaster gets paid too... regards!
You got paid and now you'll happily promote them again and in 6 months time you'll still be waiting for another payment but now they wont reply to your e-mails at all.
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Can the ones that are owed a big sum (5 figures+) from NA contact me on skype?

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Yay. NA paid me one payment from back in August. Still waiting for the rest. And yeah @cordoba I totally don't get why they should treat their affiliates like this, it just doesn't make sense.

Just to know if it's only me. But since the 24th of January, I don't get any more Rebills registered in Pimproll, so there definitely should've been many. Anyone else, too?
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Well, good news, today i have received an email from Mike (NTA)
*and* the payment via PAYPAL.

So, they fixed the issue, and sent me the paypal as i requested.

All I can say is that, in my case, they were truthful to their word.

With some delays, but the payment was delivered.

THANKS.
Were you owned five figures or a small amount ? if you don't mind me asking
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Same situation here... im trying to get a reply to get paid u$ 600 generated in sales
at NTA sites, i tried via icq, skype, and email... without luck yet....


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From what I have been hearing, the bigger amounts five figures and 6 figures are NOT being paid. That's why Feng wants to get in touch with those affiliates like himself. Naughty Revene's scam revolves around periodically paying off the "small fishes" but not paying the big fishes.

What I don't understand is why Eric or one of the other admins doesn't sticky this thread because clearly everyone here sees Naughty Revenue for what they are...

Anyone who still hasn't pulled their links are stupid at this point. There are far better programs to promote.
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Just an update still waiting on payment here.
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Just an update still waiting on payment here.
Me too, but I`ve kinda given up.. Last payment I got was actually almost 1 year ago today.

Got this e-mail back in September 2017:

"Hey ****,

Sorry about the delay in response. I have you on my list for Monday.
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But no payments since Feb 2017, just bogus e-mails from Mike asking Crystal to take care of it. Scammers, no doubt about it.
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Same here, more promises, then no response.
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From what I have been hearing, the bigger amounts five figures and 6 figures are NOT being paid. That's why Feng wants to get in touch with those affiliates like himself. Naughty Revene's scam revolves around periodically paying off the "small fishes" but not paying the big fishes.

What I don't understand is why Eric or one of the other admins doesn't sticky this thread because clearly everyone here sees Naughty Revenue for what they are...

Anyone who still hasn't pulled their links are stupid at this point. There are far better programs to promote.
For two years it has been that those who do $2k+ per month do get paid out. Those who do less find it hard to get paid on a regular basis.
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For two years it has been that those who do $2k+ per month do get paid out. Those who do less find it hard to get paid on a regular basis.
No, they have been scamming people for years who do $2k+ per month. There was an incident in 2015 AVN where a pissed off affiliate confronted the Naughty America's booth folks about not being paid $16K. He even had paperwork/screenshots showing what was owed.
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Naughty America is an absolute disgrace to the industry. Even within the industry, they are regarded like the black sheep. Graham Travis (former head of Elegant Angel) once told me during lunch that if there was one company that is the scum of the industry, it was not Manwin, it was Naughty America. Joone when he was running Digital Playground and his sister Sue echoed the same thing to me on a few occasions about Naughty America as well.

When you don't have the respect of your own peers within the industry, it says alot.
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For two years it has been that those who do $2k+ per month do get paid out. Those who do less find it hard to get paid on a regular basis.
I know people who do a lot more than 2K a month and they find it impossible to get paid
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Still looking to contact people owed by NA. SKYPE ME!
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Can we just get this pinned until Naughty America changes their policies and fucking pays us, so people are warned?

I mean it's a scam. Nothing else.
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Another email from Mike to Crystal received. Starting to just collect those emails like baseball cards except cards are worth more
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yeah, got one too today, as a reply to an email from 9 days ago & after I send Crystal another email today
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Yeah told Mike he's been emailing the same thing to Crystal for 2 months. Total waste I think.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:21 PM   #386
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still looking to contact people owed by na. Skype me!
bump this up!!!!
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Old 02-10-2018, 03:02 AM   #387
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For two years it has been that those who do $2k+ per month do get paid out. Those who do less find it hard to get paid on a regular basis.
If that's true then they are effectively blackmailing affiliates to keep promoting them.

It would be an effective scam - build up a huge backlog of unpaid commissions amongst your highest earning affiliates, tease them with the odd payment and promises so long as they are still sending you lots of sales, and if they start pulling links stop answering their e-mails alltogether. Meanwhile, they must have perhaps a million dollars of affiliate's unpaid money to continue shooting five new scenes a week, as well as expensive publicity campaings including being the only porn company allowed to exhibit at the regular CES.

I still don't get it however. I can see the logic of the scam - we're effectively loaning them our money (sales) while they spend it on trying to establish themselves as the number 1 VR porn brand. But if that's the case, why are they treating their VR porn affiliates so poorly? Most of the money they owe me (over $20K) came from rebills from when I was promoting them before VR, but they are apparently shitting on the biggest VR players such as VRPorn.com.

It's almost as confusing as their intricate Naughty America scene plots. 'Jessica's rich new husband has a sexy son Brad who is seduced by her by the pool, but hubby is secretly ploughing the sister of Brad's former wife who is also Jessica's secretary'.

Maybe they should start outsourcing their scene scripts to Indian $2 an hour freelancers like every other porn company and spend the money they save on hiring another accountant.

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Old 02-12-2018, 11:12 AM   #388
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Another email to Mike demanding payment. Only $400 but done chasing him.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:55 AM   #389
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After promising a payment, they stopped replying to me again, haven't replied the emails for weeks.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:50 AM   #390
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After promising a payment, they stopped replying to me again, haven't replied the emails for weeks.
Sucks to have to chase down payments. Keep firing them off, and I hope you get paid from their shell game.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:09 PM   #391
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I've been escalated to the accounting Dept. Oh wait that's Crystal right? Dohhh
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:34 PM   #392
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Naughty America is an absolute disgrace to the industry. Even within the industry, they are regarded like the black sheep. Graham Travis (former head of Elegant Angel) once told me during lunch that if there was one company that is the scum of the industry, it was not Manwin, it was Naughty America. Joone when he was running Digital Playground and his sister Sue echoed the same thing to me on a few occasions about Naughty America as well.

When you don't have the respect of your own peers within the industry, it says alot.
Why would they say that? I know a lot of people blame them for the increase in model fee's since they would pay any fee the model quoted.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:22 PM   #393
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Can the ones that are owed a big sum (5 figures+) from NA contact me on skype?

Thanks.
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Why would they say that? I know a lot of people blame them for the increase in model fee's since they would pay any fee the model quoted.
They have been very shady in their dealings within the industry for years, bouncing checks to models (Haley Paige, Raven Black to name a few), short changing or not paying crew wages (surprise surprise), they damaged a mansion they rented and the owner had to sue them for damages, inappropriate behaviors to models on set.

Their dirty reputation is very well known, thats probably why they have to overpay the models
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Pimproll has been good to me over the years. Never had a problem getting paid.
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Just fucking pay us the money owed. Stop playing fucking games NA.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:22 AM   #398
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Well, I'm now helping do the books over here at FreeOnes. By Phoenix I should have a nice list of non-payers and as of now, NA is still on it. o_O
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Oh good, another rebill today of money i'll never see at this point.
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