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AdultKing 03-31-2011 07:52 AM

Australia Bans Smoking
 
From 1st January 2013, if you come to Australia, leave the cigarettes at home because bringing them into Australia will just be like bringing in weed or other drugs. :helpme

Here's the news story, apparently it was covered on Lateline on the ABC tonight with an interview with the health minister.

Quote:

Prime Minister Ms Julia Gillard tonight announced the latest stage of the Federal Government health reforms including it's aggressive plans to tackle the tobacco industry.

Under the plans announced to Parliament today and detailed in the Prime Minister's speech to the Australian Medical Association conference in Sydney tonight, smoking will be eradicated in Australia by 31st of December 2012.

The first stage of the plan, announced late last year was to provide free PBS prescriptions of nicotine replacement therapy to smokers who wished to give up the habit, costing the health budget an estimated $2 billion.

Stage two is the introduction of rigorous controls on the display and sale of tobacco products with most states now already outlawing the display of tobacco products at point of sale, following this the now legislated plain packaging laws come into effect on 1st July this year.

Stage three of the radical Government plan is to place non therapeutic nicotine products on the prohibited drug imports and sales lists, thereby effectively placing cigarettes and other tobacco products in the same category as cannabis and other recreational drugs. This will take effect at midnight on the 31st December 2012.

Schedule 9 (S9) drugs and poisons are substances and preparations that, by law, may only be used for research purposes. The sale, import, distribution, use, and manufacture of such substances is strictly prohibited by law.

Ms Gillard said in her statement to the AMA tonight that "Australia is determined to stamp out the devastating impact of tobacco use in the Australian community and to save the community the cost of the obvious impacts of such products."

The health budget last year, according to treasury estimates, for medical treatment for people with smoking related illnesses was approximately nine billion dollars.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was quoted tonight as saying "While I was not aware of the full nature of the Government plans to remove the impact of smoking on the health of Australians, the opposition supports any measures to reduce the impact on our community from the impact of tobacco related illness. In effect Australia will lead the way and become the first country that will tackle this problem head on".

Source AAP.

2intense 03-31-2011 07:56 AM

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AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:01 AM

They were already pretty tough on smoking in recent years

Now it's going to be completely illegal. Gonna be alot of upset people at pubs tonight.

List of smoking bans in Australia

DWB 03-31-2011 08:02 AM

That is awesome!

u-Bob 03-31-2011 08:03 AM

they are a couple of hours ahead, so early April fools?

Si 03-31-2011 08:05 AM

Interesting stuff!

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18017063)
they are a couple of hours ahead, so early April fools?

Nah, they introduced free prescriptions for nicotine replacement , eg patches, champix and other drugs early this year, it now costs PBS prescription prices for 3 months supply of stop smoking patches. In effect a box of patches was $30 bucks, now almost free.

We knew this was coming, the passed the plain packaging laws without one single federal member voting against it before Kevin Rudd was dismissed, even though the Libs take money from big tobacco.

Australia can't afford to keep it's health system going with the cost to the community of smoking illness.

~Ray 03-31-2011 08:07 AM

Crikey Mates!

MaDalton 03-31-2011 08:08 AM

they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18017083)
they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.

They should govern the country, not our lives, but really this has been on the cards a long time, it's just taken a reformist government to have the balls to do it. NZ has considered the same thing in the past.

HBKKH 03-31-2011 08:10 AM

fuck them... and i don't smoke

CDSmith 03-31-2011 08:11 AM

Great, another draconian law in Australia! :mad:

Oh wait, no it isn't. It's actually about time a country stepped up and did this. I approve the abolishing of this filthy habit. Canada next please.

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:12 AM

I wonder if in 2013 people will smuggle smokes in to the country up their ass!

woj 03-31-2011 08:16 AM

thanks for the reminder, going to turn gfy off for the next 2 days :winkwink:

PR_Glen 03-31-2011 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18017083)
they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.

alcohol does not do as much damage.. not even close... You have mixed it up with weed..

car argument is invalid, not the same thing in the least.

BlackCrayon 03-31-2011 08:20 AM

they're just gonna create a huge underground market.

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:21 AM

Earlier this year this happened.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...01/3126580.htm

Quote:

Nicotine patches will now be subsidised through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS).

From today, smokers wanting to butt out will be able to access under-the-skin nicotine patches under the PBS as part of a smoking cessation program.

The anti-smoking drug varenicline (Champix) is now also available through the PBS for an additional 12 weeks, helping those smokers who need to use Champix to quit.

Minister for Health and Ageing Nicola Roxon says smoking kills 15,000 Australians every year and costs the economy $31.5 billion.

"There are many serious health consequences from smoking and we want to provide support to smokers who are ready to kick the habit," she said.

"With subsidised nicotine patches now available for those working with their GP, I hope many Australians take up the challenge and quit in 2011."

BlackCrayon 03-31-2011 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18017114)
alcohol does not do as much damage.. not even close... You have mixed it up with weed..

car argument is invalid, not the same thing in the least.

huh? no one dies from smoking weed. lots of people die from alcohol, be it over a lifetime or in a drunk driving accident, etc, etc,...

woj 03-31-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18017114)
alcohol does not do as much damage.. not even close... You have mixed it up with weed..

car argument is invalid, not the same thing in the least.

If besides the health problems, you throw in drunk driving accidents, drunks beating their wives, etc... it's gotta be in the same ballpark.... :2 cents:

Dejan 03-31-2011 08:24 AM

Tobacco lobby wouldn't allow this...

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18017135)
If besides the health problems, you throw in drunk driving accidents, drunks beating their wives, etc... it's gotta be in the same ballpark.... :2 cents:

Health and car insurance covers accidents, car and otherwise. It won't cover you if you get sick from smoking, so the cost to the community of smoking problems is higher.

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dejan (Post 18017139)
Tobacco lobby wouldn't allow this...

They are already campaigning against it, but I think it's too late.

http://www.news.com.au/national/chee...-1226031535298

Quote:

BIG Tobacco is trying to turn smokers into a political force with an under-the-radar campaign encouraging protests against high taxes and bans on smoking in public.

The I Deserve to Be Heard campaign involves slipping small cards into cigarette packets directing smokers to a website headlined: “It’s time to tell the government you’ve had enough”.

The federal government says it will fight the industry’s campaign “tooth and nail”, with a spokeswoman for the Health Minister describing it as “an example of how low Big Tobacco is prepared to go to peddle their killer products.”

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/chee...#ixzz1IBvdaxBb

woj 03-31-2011 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18017114)
alcohol does not do as much damage.. not even close... You have mixed it up with weed..

car argument is invalid, not the same thing in the least.

...and cars is probably not the best analogy, but sports cars would be... one could argue that sports cars are more dangerous than normal cars, and they don't contribute anything useful except some entertainment for the owner, at a cost of reduced safety for everyone...

justinsain 03-31-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18017126)
huh? no one dies from smoking weed. lots of people die from alcohol, be it over a lifetime or in a drunk driving accident, etc, etc,...

You can have a drink or two and have no ill effects from it.

You can have a few drinks a few times a week and have no problem with it.

Cigarettes are addicting. Smoke a few and you most likely will be hooked.
When you smoke a cigarette it is affecting your body and your health instantly and has an accumulative effect as you continue to do it.

Of course alcohol can be abused but it can also be consumed responsibly with no ill effect to your health. The same can't be said about smoking cigarettes.

woj 03-31-2011 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18017141)
Health and car insurance covers accidents, car and otherwise. It won't cover you if you get sick from smoking, so the cost to the community of smoking problems is higher.

How is someone going to get covered when some drunk kills some innocent person while driving under the influence?

MaDalton 03-31-2011 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18017114)
alcohol does not do as much damage.. not even close... You have mixed it up with weed..

car argument is invalid, not the same thing in the least.

your sarcasm detector is broken...


but: weed is of all drugs surely the most harmless, opposed to nicotine and alcohol it's not addictive (physically)


and i just found this:


Quote:

Worldwide Cost of Nicotine, Alcohol, and Drug Abuse

(in billions of dollars)

Alcohol addiction $885
Drug abuse $880
Smoking $400

Total cost: $2,165 billion
Note: Based on 2005 world market data.
Source: Kalorama Information
ELSEVIER GLOBAL MEDICAL NEWS

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18017165)
How is someone going to get covered when some drunk kills some innocent person while driving under the influence?

We have the Transport Accident Commission (TAC), they insure everyone involved in a road accident as part of your car registration fee, doesn't matter how you are hurt, it's a no fault system. That's why it costs $600 a year to register your car in Victoria.

_Richard_ 03-31-2011 08:32 AM

hope the government gets sued

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18017174)
hope the government gets sued

You can't sue the Government for making a law , you can only challenge it if its constitutionally invalid as a law in the High Court. The precedent is already there anyway, they ban other drugs that used to be legal. Some barbiturates were legal in Australia until 1957.

sperbonzo 03-31-2011 08:39 AM

Ok, so now we need to get into the tobacco running business.... Its gonna make MILLIONS!!!

Everytime a government bans something that people want, smart people make HUGE amounts of money!

I need to get busy. Thanks for this heads up!



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woj 03-31-2011 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18017172)
We have the Transport Accident Commission (TAC), they insure everyone involved in a road accident as part of your car registration fee, doesn't matter how you are hurt, it's a no fault system. That's why it costs $600 a year to register your car in Victoria.

I think you missed the point... so as long as everyone is covered by some insurance all is good? those that die or get paralyzed for life because of a drunk driver just drew the short straw in life?

SmutHammer 03-31-2011 08:42 AM

weather you like cigerettes or not it's just another way of taking freedom from people..... if they care about people's health so much then almost all fast food places and soda pop companies should be banned too.

sperbonzo 03-31-2011 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18017169)
your sarcasm detector is broken...


but: weed is of all drugs surely the most harmless, opposed to nicotine and alcohol it's not addictive (physically)


and i just found this:

Worldwide Cost of Nicotine, Alcohol, and Drug Abuse

(in billions of dollars)

Alcohol addiction $885
Drug abuse $880
Smoking $400

Total cost: $2,165 billion
Note: Based on 2005 world market data.
Source: Kalorama Information
ELSEVIER GLOBAL MEDICAL NEWS

Good find madalton.


Yup, Alcohol will be next. We can go right back to the prohibition days!!

Look at how good it worked during prohibition in the US, or the "war on drugs"! That has been a great thing also!



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YDG 03-31-2011 08:45 AM

I'm not surprised by this, and I have no doubt that in 30-50 years time most countries in the world will ban the sale of cigarettes. This may seem unbelievable now, but then again, who would have thought 30 years ago that you would not be allowed to smoke in public places including some parks.

Cigarettes are a legal drug. Alcohol is too of course, but the key difference is alcohol can be consumed in small quantities with no effects on health. In some cases it might actually be good for you.

Cigarettes are plain and simple deadly, and therefore there is no reason for them to be allowed on sale.

I'm guessing countries around the world are waiting for the first to ban them completely, then others will follow suit. Tax revenue or not it will happen in my opinion.

By the way I'm a smoker trying to give up, so if I was unable to buy them at all, that would be a huge help. :)

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:46 AM

Therapeutic nicotine like nicotine gum, patches etc will still be legal, so people can give up without going cold turkey on New Years Eve 2012 but it will mean that possession or import of cigarettes or other tobacco will get you jail time when the ban takes effect.

sperbonzo 03-31-2011 08:48 AM

Hey AdultKing, I just hit you up on ICQ. Please get back to me when you get a chance

AdultKing 03-31-2011 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18017274)
Hey AdultKing, I just hit you up on ICQ. Please get back to me when you get a chance

I'm on a mobile device through our VPN at the moment and ICQ wont work on it, I won't be on IM until after 1pm GMT +10

Deputy Chief Command 03-31-2011 08:50 AM

lol! who believes this crap ? not one news link ..


april fools yall!

BlackCrayon 03-31-2011 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 18017158)
You can have a drink or two and have no ill effects from it.

You can have a few drinks a few times a week and have no problem with it.

Cigarettes are addicting. Smoke a few and you most likely will be hooked.
When you smoke a cigarette it is affecting your body and your health instantly and has an accumulative effect as you continue to do it.

Of course alcohol can be abused but it can also be consumed responsibly with no ill effect to your health. The same can't be said about smoking cigarettes.

i am not against alcohol and i am not "for" cigarettes but how many crimes are commited while people are drunk? how many rapes are blamed on being drunk? sure, maybe buddy only drinks once a month but then gets in his car and kills people. he still did more damage that a guy who smoked all his life. i know lots of people who only smoke when they drink, so they can't be addicted...one thing about cigarettes, at least it won't turn people into psychotic lunatics like alcohol can.


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