Trump does it again...
 

Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, to be top adviser - BBC News

What did he do? Hire another successful business person? We are doomed with all of the successful business people running the country. I mean WTF? No life long politicians?

Just "another successful business person"? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Being forced to do things and oversee because your corrupt father went to federal prison is hardly "another successful business person".

Its possible guys down south are conditioned to admire and submit to anyone in a suit. If they wear a suit they must be smarter than me and more successful than me. That's how me and my red neck friends were conditioned in Washington state.

What has he done that makes him "another successful business person"? I don't think you know his actual history and the alt-rightaid tells you Jared Kushner is a "another successful business person" :thumbsup

Its what dictators do, place family members in their cabinet. Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi, etc.

Turn around everyone nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest.. btw who will run the family business now? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's just a circus everyone..

They also hire their own security. Trump is keeping his personal security to protect him from the secret service. They also do the ruff up work that secret service refuses to do on citizens.

Donald Trump Doesn't Trust the Secret Service, Will Keep His Own Security Force

It also violates Federal law


A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official.

law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

Looks like a good decision to me.

It would be fun to sit back and watch the shit show unfold, if not for being so scared of what could actually happen to the country -- and my family.

nep·o·tism
ˈnepəˌtizəm
noun

the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
synonyms: favoritism, preferential treatment, the old boy network, looking after one's own, bias, partiality, partisanship
"hiring my daughter was not nepotism?it was just good business"

so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?

this is laughable :1orglaugh Scared for a family :1orglaugh
At least horatio was smart enough to claim that nothing would change. Yet some people are scared for a family, libby news fear mongered you well :1orglaugh
What could happen to your family?

All kidding aside.... I didn't think this included "son in law". However, according to your link....

?relative? means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

This is clearly illegal.

"Russian oligarch (see related term "New Russians") is used to describe wealthy businessmen of the former Soviet republics that rapidly accumulated their wealth during the era of Russian privatization in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 1990s."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch

You will make excuses for anything as long as it's your guy/team.. Why don't you just get a rubber stamp so you can just check off everything "OK because of Trump". No need to reply, because we already know it's fine by you..

That is correct.

This is because JFK installed his brother Robert Kennedy as Attorney General.

You can argue Robert Kennedy never really had a job and had no experience in state or federal court. He served "two years in the Navy" but that all schooling and training, was an aide to Adlai Stevenson during his campaign, and was counsel on a Senate Investigative committee.

Hail to the king, baby!

Have you ever known a mayor, governor, senator, president to have a family member on their appointed staff? I thought this was common knowledge.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As if it is and ever was different...

If you look at the notes https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

This was after JFK/RFK the first date I saw was 1967.

Why Trump makes this unlawful appointment is interesting. Maybe, he expects a "Trump Amendment" on the Emperor's desk by February 1? Maybe, this is just a cover appointment expected to be refused then used as a smokescreen of other questionable cabinet appoints Trump is making.

Trump pulls the diversionary scam over and over like a cheap stage magician. Trump is peeing with the big dogs now -- and he seems a bit downwind.

"A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position"

Do you really think they would pass such a law without a loophole?

The law is intended to keep someone from hiring a family member for a position over a more qualified individual already within a particular agency.

It isn't a civilian position. It's a appointed non-civilian position.

Good thing none of you are lawyers.

Case closed.

/endthread

As opposed to a military appointment? Government political appointment IS A Civil appointment.

Nope. They have what's called "non-civilian nominations"


https://www.senate.gov/legislative/noms_confn.htm

U.S. Senate: Nom in Committee (non-civ)


Civilian/Non-civilian applies to more than just the military. Police are considered non-civilian for example.

Not sure you understand the meaning of civilian.

Civilian:
a person not in the armed services or the police force.

Trump names son-in-law Jared Kushner as White House adviser

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

Clearly the anti-nepotism law does apply to the president.

I don't know if it applies to the White House staff or not.

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"In general,"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

Fire fighters, FBI, CIA, Secret Service.. The list could go on... Hell the legislators themselves don't even consider themselves "civilians"

If they wanted to define "civilian" they should have, could have and would have done so. But they didn't for a reason. How many Legislators do you think have family members on payroll? My guess is a lot.

I'm going to define non-civilian for ya. Non-Civilian: Anyone who is legally protected by the government in their role. (aka taking care of their own)

But that really doesn't matter because he is hired as an adviser... That's it. It's technically not even a position. It's like you or I hiring a business consultant. Most likely even contracted that way and doesn't even require confirmation. There are always loopholes left open for them.

Right so McConnell is corrupt. McConnell got Trump to appoint McConnell's wife to a position, because McConnell was barred by the nepotism regulation from giving his wife a job.

Drain the swamp? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

See how corrupt Republicans are!

#ThanksDonald

I suppose this will be known for sure eventually.

The wording is specific for the Executive Branch (a) 1

Trump is appointing Kushner to a political patronage position.

However government 'agency' is defined

executive branch, Executive Office of the President - the branch of the United States government that is responsible for carrying out the laws ... inclusive :thumbsup

The whole thing is shady.
Drain the swamp and fill it back up with "my guys" ...

The Administration is now a family and "Wall Street" insider business -- is that what you voted for?

A "non civilian" is either military or law enforcement.

Non-civilian | Define Non-civilian at Dictionary.com

The blasted Clinton because she had "ties to Wall Street" and the paid her to give a speech or two. Instead we just put Wall Street DIRECTLY in charge of our economy. You know, the exact people who caused the recession.

Clinton was edging on shady.

Trump is full on shady while pushing Whitehouse corruption norms.

This is the problem with Trump, it's all about him 24/7 while taking credit for jobs that were already being created. America creates roughly 145,000 new jobs a month and Trump will try to take credit for as many as possible and give corporate welfare to those who allow him to take credit, as he has for every jobs publicity stunt so far.

anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:

An outsider, not belonging to that society and or interest group. aka Civilian.

Start thinking of DC for what it truly is > not 1 of the 50 United States, a separate entity. And you start to see things a bit differently. You and I are outsiders,, civilians. Couple that with the fact that legalese is a foreign language. That's why words that look and sound like English are defined, they want them to be emphasized. If they wanted civilian defined they would have done it. I've looked, I can't find the definition of civilian in legalese or US code.. I wonder why? They have their own definition for everything...

"civilian" isn't available in the dictionary.
Search for it on the Law.com network:

Legal Dictionary | Law.com

Well lookie here I found one. And guess what it's not the english definition..


What is CIVILIAN?

One who is skilled or versed in the civil law. A doctor, professor, or student of the civil law. Also a private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the army and navy or (in England) the church.

Law Dictionary: What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)

What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)

So based on that legal definition one could argue that he's not civilian in 2 ways and is 1.

Ha! So you're actually a fake Putin troll account I knew it! You're probably CyberSEO's buttbudy and live together in Moscow.

Every fucking American knows what a fucking civilian is.

Nonsense. You are blurring the definition to the extent where anyone can be considered a "non civilian". You can argue that anyone outside of the adult industry is a civilian, where we are considered "non civilians".

Bullshit. You are either civilian or military. That's it.

Incorrect sir. See my next post. Legalese is a foreign language. Again, it looks and sounds like english but has an entirely different set dictionaries.

I asked a cop on the stand under oath if he was aware that the DA's were speaking a foreign language.. His answer? Yes.. A lawyer is your translator.

Why do you think they define commonly known english words when they write law? Think it's because really stupid people are reading them? What is their legal definition of civilian? I'm still looking. But one thing I can assure you it's not exactly what you think.

And we get a bit closer..

CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE?

US residents, 16 years of age or older, not employed by any government or military institution, and either employed and unemployed. .

Law Dictionary: What is CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE? definition of CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE (Black's Law Dictionary)

It doesn't just say "military or police" also that keyword "or" > military institution

Civilian legal definition of civilian