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J. Falcon 08-10-2018 08:00 AM

"She" Instead of "He" in articles
 
Have you noticed how more and more online articles are using the "she" pronoun instead of "he" when they refer to a person? I'm noticing it all the time. Obviously it's part of the feminist movement to "battle stereotypes" and also has to do with what's called "inclusive language". However I find it incredibly silly and distracting when I come across a "she" pronoun simply because I know it's there to make a point, so it ultimately distracts from the topic matter in question.

Example:

When looking for a doctor, make sure she's highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but she will be held responsible.

... stuff like that.

Have you guys noticed this? Thoughts?

Bladewire 08-10-2018 08:04 AM

No... I haven't noticed.

It's sad that your insecurities make you uncomfortable & distracted reading she instead of he.

Did you know there are more women in the world than men?

Imagine all the women who feel "uncomfortable" reading he instead of she, but you only give a shit about yourself lol

If the writer is a woman expect to see she instead of he. Pay more attention to who the writer is and who the subject is.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319382)
Obviously it's part of the feminist movement to "battle stereotypes" and also has to do with what's called "inclusive language".

What the fuck is wrong with you? :evil-laug:evil-laug

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319384)
No... I haven't noticed.

It's sad that your insecurities make you uncomfortable & distracted reading she instead of he.

Did you know there's more women in the world than men?

Imagine all the women who feel "uncomfortable" reading he instead of she, but you only give a shit about yourself lol

Nah it has nothing to do with insecurities, it has to do with proper use of language and politically correct bullshit. I just thought I'd bring it up to see if anyone else had noticed.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319388)
Nah it has nothing to do with insecurities, it has to do with proper use of language and politically correct bullshit. I just thought I'd bring it up to see if anyone else had noticed.

If the writer is a woman expect to see she instead of he. Pay more attention to who the writer is and who the subject is.

You made a thread about the female subjects in writing being "silly" & "distracting". Grow up. If you're sexist then be proud about it don't be all manipulative & sneaky about it that's cheap & tacky :2 cents:

imabro 08-10-2018 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319382)
Have you noticed how more and more online articles are using the "she" pronoun instead of "he" when they refer to a person? I'm noticing it all the time. Obviously it's part of the feminist movement to "battle stereotypes" and also has to do with what's called "inclusive language". However I find it incredibly silly and distracting when I come across a "she" pronoun simply because I know it's there to make a point, so it ultimately distracts from the topic matter in question.

Example:

When looking for a doctor, make sure she's highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but she will be held responsible.

... stuff like that.

Have you guys noticed this? Thoughts?

Post a link to one of your examples.

GFED 08-10-2018 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319382)
Example:

When looking for a doctor, make sure she's highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but she will be held responsible.

... stuff like that.

Have you guys noticed this? Thoughts?

When looking for a doctor, make sure they're highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but they will be held responsible.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22319398)
When looking for a doctor, make sure they're highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but they will be held responsible.

According to OP that's "gender neutral" and part of the big femanist plot.

The OP feels "silly" & "uncomfortable" reading anything other than "he" :1orglaugh

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319404)
According to OP that's "gender neutral" and part of the big femanist plot.

The OP feels "silly" & "uncomfortable" reading anything other than "he" :1orglaugh

I guess you don't know proper grammar rules. In English (as well as other languages) "he" is used to refer to both men and women. If some women want to use it to "make a point" that's their thing.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319408)
I guess you don't know proper grammar rules. In English (as well as other languages) "he" is used to refer to both men and women. If some women want to use it to "make a point" that's their thing.

So you call your girlfriend "he". Got it.

If the writer is female then using "she" is appropriate. It's disrespectful to assume a female writer would use he. Not common sense. Why you think male writers aren't into using she is beyond me. All guys who write articles on cars you she to refer to the vehicle from my experience. It's the Trump era, anything goes old rules & etiquette don't apply. #ThanksTrump!

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22319398)
When looking for a doctor, make sure they're highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but they will be held responsible.

Well, traditionally we would use "he" in both cases, since "he" covers both men and women, but it's true to get around this issue and not sound sexists you could choose to use "They're." What I'm seeing are a lot of writers using "she" on purpose. And contrary to what Bladewire says, who apparently is clueless when it comes to the issue, the gender of who is doing the writing doesn't matter.

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319411)
So you call your girlfriend "he". Got it.

Are you stupid or just don't understand? When you're talking about a person who's gender is undetermined (meaning it could be a man or woman, you just don't know yet) traditionally we would use the pronoun "he." Whether that's wrong or not is a separate issue. Some female writers use "she" to battle stereotypes and to close the gender gap. I think that's pretty obvious.

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by imabro (Post 22319397)
Post a link to one of your examples.

I've come across them randomly so I don't have any saved. If I find one I'll post it.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319413)
And contrary to what Bladewire says, who apparently is clueless when it comes to the issue, the gender of who is doing the writing doesn't matter.

Right, the person with a different viewpoint & experience is clueless.

Educate me, 1) Tell me the official term in grammar where the possessive is male by default. 2) Link me to the rule in grammar stating that the sex is male by default.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319415)
Are you stupid or just don't understand? When you're talking about a person who's gender is undetermined (meaning it could be a man or woman, you just don't know yet) traditionally we would use the pronoun "he." Whether that's wrong or not is a separate issue. Some female writers use "she" to battle stereotypes and to close the gender gap. I think that's pretty obvious.

Oh so now it's "tradition" not a rule in grammar? Who's tradition? What country are you in?

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319421)
Oh so now it's "tradition" not a rule in grammar? Who's tradition? What country are you in?

Lol you are the worst troll ever. :1orglaugh At least make an effort man.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319422)
Lol you are the worst troll ever. :1orglaugh At least make an effort man.

Ok so you have no links to prove your point.

The Grammar Book says nothing about "traditionally", or officially, using a male subject pronoun, object pronoun or possessive pronoun by default in their pronoun section.

BTW, two of my best writers are non native English speakers and their English is better than mine, not to mention their creativity. My question about your country was in reference to the tradition of using male pronouns by default. I was in no way implying that your English skills are dependent on your country of origin or native speaking tongue :thumbsup

iceboi 08-10-2018 09:50 AM

It's appalling how much time and energy is wasted arguing about petty things like this.

To answer the OP's question, I haven't noticed that but wouldn't be surprised if I came across it.

My opinion : whosoever is triggered by seeing the word 'he' being used to refer to a general individual should know that replacing it with 'she' is very hypocritical because they are doing to same thing, just with the opposite word.

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319430)
Ok so you have no links to prove your point.

The Grammar Book says nothing about "traditionally", or officially, using a male subject pronoun, object pronoun or possessive pronoun in their pronoun section.

Either I didn't explain myself sufficiently or this is too complicated for you. I said "traditionally" because grammar rules change over the years. It used to be that "they" was an incorrect singular pronoun, nowadays it's accepted. But what I'm talking about our some writers not using gender-neutral pronouns (they, their, them) but specifically using "she" which I have seen a lot.

Damn, I know you have a reputation to keep around here, but it's not necessary to act like a fucking dick in every thread, is it?

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceboi (Post 22319435)

My opinion : whosoever is triggered by seeing the word 'he' being used to refer to a general individual should know that replacing it with 'she' is very hypocritical because they are doing to same thing, just with the opposite word.

Thank you, I guess that's kind of my point.

Mickey_ 08-10-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319413)
Well, traditionally we would use "he" in both cases, since "he" covers both men and women, but it's true to get around this issue and not sound sexists you could choose to use "They're." What I'm seeing are a lot of writers using "she" on purpose. And contrary to what Bladewire says, who apparently is clueless when it comes to the issue, the gender of who is doing the writing doesn't matter.

English is not my first language, but in what world does "he" refer to both male and female genders? The way I learned it and recall it to be standard practice is when attempting to cover both genders in writing, you simply default to the "gentler" gender and that will cover both. Politeness in writing, if you will. It has nothing to do with being overly politically correct or being a feminist or any of that BS in my opinion, it's just polite. No more no less.

In short: My analysis of the situation is that you have way too much time on your hands. :winkwink:

Having said all this, I don't think any of this matters in the least bit. :1orglaugh

ps. I agree that the easiest way to avoid the issue completely is simply to use plural.

CurrentlySober 08-10-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22319398)
When looking for a doctor, make sure they're highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but they will be held responsible.

https://www.assignmentx.com/wp-conte...ate-Dillon.jpg

Reminds me of Taylor, and how they wanted everyone to address and refer to themselves... :)

JFK 08-10-2018 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 22319438)
English is not my first language, but in what world does "he" refer to both male and female genders? The way I learned it and recall it to be standard practice is when attempting to cover both genders in writing, you simply default to the "gentler" gender and that will cover both. Politness in writing, if you will. It has nothing to do with being overly politically correct or being a feminist or any of that BS in my opinion, it's just polite. No more no less.

In short: My analysis of the situation is that you have way too much time on your hands. :winkwink:

Having said all this, I don't think any of this matters in the least bit. :1orglaugh

ps. I agree that the easiest way to avoid the issue completely is simply to use plural.

TRY "it" :Graucho

Mickey_ 08-10-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 22319444)
TRY "it" :Graucho

https://78.media.tumblr.com/96f7e3f0...5z9o1_1280.jpg

Denny 08-10-2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22319398)
When looking for a doctor, make sure they're highly qualified.

We don't know who started the fire, but they will be held responsible.

:2 cents::thumbsup

Bladewire 08-10-2018 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22319436)
Either I didn't explain myself sufficiently or this is too complicated for you. I said "traditionally" because grammar rules change over the years. It used to be that "they" was an incorrect singular pronoun, nowadays it's accepted. But what I'm talking about our some writers not using gender-neutral pronouns (they, their, them) but specifically using "she" which I have seen a lot.

Damn, I know you have a reputation to keep around here, but it's not necessary to act like a fucking dick in every thread, is it?

Again with the personal insults.

Notice how I provided links and you didn't?

Notice how I didn't personally insult you, and you personally insulted me multiple times? That's tacky.

What is it with the emotional men on GFY that can't have a basic conversation without breaking down? Why are links so hard to post to prove basic points like grammar rules?

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319454)
Again with the personal insults.

Notice how I provided links and you didn't?

Notice how I didn't personally insult you, and you personally insulted me multiple times? That's tacky.

What is it with the emotional men on GFY that can't have a basic conversation without breaking down? Why are links so hard to post to prove basic points like grammar rules?

No, you never insulted anyone :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

NatalieMojoHost 08-10-2018 11:20 AM

I thought the correct grammar was "he or she" when we don't know the gender reference? I did notice that the order gets changed up - she or he vs he or she... not sure if that's pc or not but that's what my English teacher told me to use back in high school.

MrBottomTooth 08-10-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319454)
Again with the personal insults.

What is it with the emotional men on GFY that can't have a basic conversation without breaking down?

This is the same nonsense you posted in that Element TV thread after you, unprovoked, called me a Russian shill 3 times and didn't even take the time to read and understand my replies. Ever think maybe you're the problem?

Even StefanG, one of the nicest and most liberal guys on here tried to tell you you're too abrasive.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 22319476)
This is the same nonsense you posted in that Element TV thread after you, unprovoked, called me a Russian shill 3 times and didn't even take the time to read and understand my replies. Ever think maybe you're the problem?

You're lying

I said "how Russian of you" once.

I didn't say "Russian shill", let alone 3 times.

Anyone can check the thread themselves here.

The only one who used the term "Russian shill" was you.

The Porn Nerd 08-10-2018 11:39 AM

Traditionally if the writer is female she will use "she" more often than "he" and vice versa.

I only find it distracting when the writer switches from one to the other (uses both). Stick to one please. LOL

MrBottomTooth 08-10-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319481)
You're lying

I said "how Russian of you" once.

I didn't say "Russian shill", let alone 3 times.

Anyone can't check the thread themselves here.

Yes, this isn't implying someone is a Russian shill at all:

'Of course nothing American made will meet your high standards and you'll always have a handy excuse, then soon you'll be recommending "quality" Russian imports to fill the gaps of the American businesses gone under like this quality Russian made 2018 model Shilijalis brand TV"

You're fucked in the head.

kane 08-10-2018 11:40 AM

I've been writing this way for years. When I was in college I took a technical writing class and in it the professor taught us to switch between he and she because, well, half the population is female and people like to feel included.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 22319486)

You're fucked in the head.

Again with the personal insults.

What is it with the emotional men on GFY that can't have a basic conversation without breaking down?

MrBottomTooth 08-10-2018 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319490)
Again with the personal insults.

What is it with the emotional men on GFY that can't have a basic conversation without breaking down?

Not a personal insult, just an observation.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 22319495)
Not a personal insult, just an observation.

You seem really stressed maybe you could go suck a dick? Always makes me feel better :thumbsup

MrBottomTooth 08-10-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22319496)
You seem really stressed maybe you could go suck a dick? Always makes me feel better :thumbsup

No thanks but maybe I'll let my woman sit on my face later.

Sorry, I guess I'm in one of those moods. Apologies for the insults.

Bladewire 08-10-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 22319500)
No thanks but maybe I'll let my woman sit on my face later.

Sorry, I guess I'm in one of those moods. Apologies for the insults.

No worries :thumbsup lucky girl

J. Falcon 08-10-2018 01:35 PM

Fuck BW do you have to hijack every thread? You're just as bad as the Trump supporting fake nicks. Maybe you're the same fucking loser?

Bladewire 08-10-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieMojoHost (Post 22319472)
I thought the correct grammar was "he or she" when we don't know the gender reference? I did notice that the order gets changed up - she or he vs he or she... not sure if that's pc or not but that's what my English teacher told me to use back in high school.

Same here. Seems like common sense and a good general rule of thumb :thumbsup


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