FACT: Not all tube sites are bad.
 

Saw that post in one of 2bet's threads and made me want to write a reply, but I figured, ya know what, not only he should see this, but more people who think like him.

Yes, tube sites such as pornhub, redtube, etc have tainted the tube site name, but not EVERY tube site out there is bad and trying to sell dating using stolen content.

There is alot of tube sites out there that use SPONSOR given content that is 1-5mins long that DO promote that sponsor.

There is also programmers out there such as Zorgman, Konrad and myself who build programs to create tube sites and make it so they use sponsor content and give credit where credit is due.

So I ask you, get your head out of your fucking ass and stop ragging on legitimate webmasters running legitimate tube sites because you can't understand jack shit.

Thank you and back to your regular scheduled GFYing.

Exponential explosion and growth of Torrents and Tube sites

As we all know... Torrents and tube sites have exploded over the last year and continue to grow exponentially.

The paradigm of people today is that porn should be free... much the way music is also thought of.

If you google "porn" or "free porn" or "sex" or whatever... almost anything like that...

pornhub, redtube, etc.... all the tube sites come up first.

If you google a specific domain name or episode... a torrent link will come up.

This has caused a major major loss in $$$$ for me and all of you.

But of course---this is not new fucking news.

My question is ... Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on how I can still make money in this market?

REF CODES welcome

All tube sites are the devil

people can fuck around with tubes as much as they like - not my problem or business. No matter what; there will always be a market for still-images, as long as the content is unique (in one way or the other)

giving it away in any form is assinine

lock it all up and, believe it or not, all the same people will still look for porn ... but will pay for it

buckets of money for everyone

its simple really

people say 'hey, tube surfers wouldn't pay anyways...'
so let me ask, why the fuck would you want to give it to the freeloaders for free????
really - why???

oh ya, because you want the raw traffic numbers, and arent smart enough to figure out its garbage traffic - but you sell traffic - so you don't really care if its garbage, just as long as its big numbers - don't ya? thanx a lot for nothing. you sell bigger numbers at lesser quality and think its ok. nice adaptation there.

once more for emphasis - lock it all up and the money will flow like 1999
and more emphasis - why the fuck would you want to give it to the freeloaders for free???? (i wish ferrari would do that for me, because i really don't want to pay for one)

simple

have you ever seen a legit tube site or do you just visit all the big ones that steal content? They are no different than and MGP it's just instead of forcing you to download 3+ clips and view them in the original player, its all in 1 video playable on the page.

yes and yes. and agreed that its just another type of tour (MGP or whatever)

but you haven't adapted, you have succumbed. and you don't see it.

its just another additive to the ever growing plethora of free porn.

now the freeloaders are mega-happy, and daily you turn more and more paying customers into freeloaders (not 1 tube, but collectively, all of them together + bad x-sells, its just all bad ideas)

you are part of the problem, not the solution

this is in no way an insult - just an attempt to point out the fast spiral to ruining it all.

and you are helping to push us down the slide



lock it all up = buckets of money for everyone... seriously

Yes because without free porn people would just instantly find you in some magical la la land of total stupidity and everyone would be rich driving around in Marc D's cars while getting blows by every porn star. And since this is la la land people will run straight up and give us money because a site with downloadable content and no free porn is all it takes to sell people!

That's a great idea though, lock it all down, 100% and now everyone has a reason to visit. Is it like a bread of people that think like this?

Without free porn, 99% of you would still be flipping burgers and changing my oil.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

I agree, done right and legally, a tube site can be a great thing

Trying to make me look stupid thru semantics so others will admire your e-peen? - nice

blowing it up into a fantastical statement so that others can join you in the ridicule?

I however am intelligent enough to already know that a modicum of free porn is required to hawk our wares. What makes you want to justify the exorbitant levels we have taken it to. A baker gives away a yummy loaf, cut into small pieces, 1 per customer to promote his wares. He does not give away as many free loaves to anyone who wants... and still expect to make big sales.

I found a ton of porn way before the explosion of free stuff... are you trying to insult every user on the net by implying that they would be unable to find any porn if you weren't there to give them a ton of free stuff - more than they actually need?

are you saying that no other form of advertising will ever work to get traffic to my site? ads, reviews, banners, link exchange blogs... tons of methodologies? Do you really believe that the only way they will ever find me is if i give most of it away? and that they will buy the rest after I give it to them free?

try again - i'm not buying your funny parodization and exaggeration of my point.

thanx for playing

i totally agree - but still ask... how do you equate that statement with 'providing enough freeporn to satiate almost every potential customer needs at no cost' and think that you are 'adapting'??


(ya i know i screwed up the double quote - sorry barefootsies - not trying to put words in your mouth

I guess I was talking to you....

I will entertain ya, let me wrap it up for ya. All those other traffic sources would be dead if you didn't have "free" to spark the movement to look, the want to collect, the need to hunt it down, the hours of surfing across the mediums looking for that one site with that one girl so they can join it. Same goes for the people that pirate, they collect and they still buy. All the bubbles of traffic online start from one type 'theme' of product... Free.

i lol'd !

Yes, I agree. and knew this before you typed the reply

but again...i still ask... how do you equate that statement with.. 'providing enough freeporn to satiate almost every potential customers needs at no cost' and think that its a 'better business model'

i in no way advocate 'no free porn'. I just can't understand how the supposed solution to higher sales, conversions and retention is "give more away - and later , give more away... and when the customer says we want more free porn - we give away more"

it is cumulative, you know that right?

this business model will not get better the more we do it.

I agree with retoxjosh except for one thing...I have never seen him build or make anything. I do however use Tevs AND Mechanical Bunny. Never seen retoxjosh's work, and I have a feeling I never will.

I don't think you have content saturation or anyone on this forum, unless Bang Bros/ND is posting today. That's the simplest answer.

While others are growing and are 10, 20 or 100x larger than me, you or anyone in this thread, they produce across dvds, broadcasting, plugins, downloads to other sites, and multiple companies still produce mind boggling sales that 'all of us are still trying to catch up to and for some stupid reason people below the big guys still think something is wrong.

Umm.. If you do 20 or 100 sales a day and someone else is doing 200 or 500.. You pretty much aren't doing something correctly. Not saying you failed, but saying something like free porn is hurting you. Is well... Stupid.



Who cares if a few people get around protected movies. The majority don't and that's where the majority of bulk piracy comes from. And the odd fact still remains, VOD sites and sites with DRM, aren't really pirated.... it's just odd. Like if you take away the normal users ability, they don't steal it. And logically advanced users aren't going to pillage every adult porn site online.

First, by you saying the things that you have said, It make me realize that you are trying to defend a business model that you have made the mistake of getting yourself into. So if you do not like what people have to say about Tube Sites then do not run a fucking Tube Site!!!

I am a successful owner of PAY-SITES, by definition; that means I work pretty hard to get new members and keep those members for as long as possible. All the while making sure that my affiliates have everything that they need to help promote our product and making sure that they make as much money as possible. My affiliates are my gold!!
By stealing and giving my product away for free, Tube sites are not just fucking me over but all of my affiliates as well!! So I am not just pissed for me but for everyone that is getting cheated by Tube Sites. Which is about 99% of the adult business.
So I say this to YOU! Unless you have paid $25,000.00 to schedule, direct, shoot, edit, produce, a movie that you are proud of and release it to dvd. Then you experience the fucking frustration of seeing it chopped up scene by scene!! 100% ON ALL of the major Tube Sites without a banner of any form of promotion to the site that belongs to.
Unless you have done something like that, then you do not have the right to say shit to me.

You say you run a legitimate tube site, ok, so redtube and pornhub are fucking over all of the sponsors that you use to make your money legitimately. Who are you gonna promote if they cannot keep their doors open????

My question to you is why would anyone pay for it, if they can get it for free?

Bashing aside, ICQ is in my profile contact page, hit me up, I'll show you all of my own work.

Are you fucking stupid? Do you even know what a legal tube site does? It's no different then you giving a FHG of 4 30 second clips for your affiliates to promote, but instead of the clips, its a 2 minute video with your banner on the same page...

Obviously some of you tards don't exactly know what a legal tube site is about as you've never seen one.

http://www.rudepost.com/0765-3193/ba...ly-habits.html

You see that video for Nubiles? Now do you see the ad on the right for Nubiles? How is that no different?

P.S. I don't run a tube site either, but I have done alot of work for people running legal tube sites.

Tube site discussion?! On GFY?!

It's all good bro :thumbsup

We can insult each other with name calling all day long.... and I am from Philadelphia so I can think of some sick shit. That is not what this is about.
If you are not stealing anything and you are only using sponsor provided content then the term illegal tube site does not pertain to you.
But you still will not answer the question!! As a content producer, I have the right to ask this. If people can get a 20-30 min XXX scene for free, why would they pay for it?

retoxjosh... You have went beyond the limit with me. I would prefer to see you in person and after a nice chat, have you show me your work. You told me in another post that you would get right in my face and say all those things you said. I laughed about it. But honestly I would like to see that happen. Internext is right around the corner. Perfect chance to say what you'd like to my face and see how it flies.

Who knows? I've met a lot of guys on GFY who were total assholes behind a keyboard. And then when I met them in real life they were the complete opposite. Maybe you will be that way too. But I prefer to find out face to face. Internext? :)

I don't waste my money on brofests, but if you're dead serious, and want me out there, pay for my plane, put me up in a hotel, and pay for everything I do, and maybe I'll allow you to attempt to punch me in the face so you can prove how hardcore you really are...

99.999% of them won't

the more people that can't get that 20 to 30 min XXX scene for free increases the percentage that will pay for it


it is obvious, yet some still seem to want to argue that point


even Robbie made a great point the other day when he mentioned in the past that he noticed his sales dropped like a rock and then found out the reason was that his content was pirated a bunch of places, so he dmca'd and cleaned that up and saw his sales go up again

this isn't rocket science .... if you have two McDonald's restaurants side by side, one is giving Big Mac's away for free, the other is charging, and a potential customer is hungry for a Big Mac, it is obvious where he is going to go :2 cents:

Did I say "Not All Illegal Tube Sites Are Bad"? No I didn't no shit illegal tube sites are shit, but I said NOT ALL ARE BAD, which means, legal tubes.

Errr, wait wait, you'll most likely have your "boys" with you when we go face to face, so you'll have to pay for my "boys" to come along to, so it's fair...

Yo, I'll go into a cage.

SLAPDOT vs Robbie and Retox.

Gangsta music.

Humm... I think I will put $1000 on Robbie but then again.. The signature in Retox Josh's signature may j..jjuuuuusus stopp the..ahahhhh

I'll not stand up against you, I back out, please don't kill me.

Again, I'll put $10,000 on myself.

TheDoc. YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT ON THIS.

SLAPDOT.

Hi Hater.
Bye Hater.

Gracy jujitsu FTW

Slapdotted bitch!

Robbie and Retox

I'll hit you both so hard your future baby's will feel it upon conception.

Yeah, I said it.

SO SLAPDOT, BABY!

Internet Gangsta Crew

Thug Life

Red Rag on the right side

REED STREET DE. H-BLOCK. HUSTLE DRIVE UP. HARLEM YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.

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I never said anything about attempting to punch you in the face retox josh. I said come to Internext and see me face to face, man to man and say some of the stuff you have said on here.

You won't.

And that is my point. I can't help but laugh at people like you. IF you were even remotely connected to the adult business in anyway except posting b.s. on GFY you wouldn't talk like that to me or anyone else.

I know I sure wouldn't.

"Brofest" You do realize that the whole "bro" thing is a big inside joke, and everytime ignorant people like you use it like it's real just shows who is and who isn't really a serious person.

Everything you do and say on GFY makes you appear to be nothing more than a guy who posts on a message board.

I would never call Ray an idiot. Neither on this board nor to his face. And the same goes for any legitimate person in our business. I don't care if they are 7 foot tall and 350 pounds or if they are 5 tall and 125. I just don't talk to people like that.

The ones I DO talk to like that are guys like you who interjected yourself into a discussion I was in and proceeded to insult me to the nth degree.

And I say again...prove you're a man and do it at internext. And again..you won't. You have nothing but excuses.

Instead, why don't you try to take yourself a little more seriously and stop jumping on every hater/troll bandwagon and act like you are actually in this business and not just being a jerk.

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http://thighswideshut.org/images/art...giant_cock.jpg

http://www.eoinmaca.com/albums/Abstr...giant_cock.jpg

you think you tough?!?!??!?!

why pay when i can get all the shit packaged in neat zip files through rapidshare and torrent.