Net porn sales - will things get better
 

Tube sites mean free porn.

Do you think sales will improve or just get worse.

I see many sites up for sale or closing.

Is it realy the end now?

TGPs meant free porn. Why didn't they have a similar effect on photo members areas from several years ago? Nobody seems to have answer for this.

Could it be that maybe tube sites aren't really the problem?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh this shows the total lack of understanding with the tgp guys...

do you understand that tgp's are 180 degrees different than tubes that offer full VIDEO scenes?

apparently not... :thumbsup

Sure tgp's still meant free porn but surfers still had to jump through hoops to get it and the majority of it was still LQ pics and short crappy movies... tubes are full movies and no hoops to jump through!

Is it over? No, but we could timeshift back to at least 2003 if we could get rid of torrent sites and tubes. I think.

Yes

Tubes offer full content. Even full porn DVD's.

My mate used to buy 10 or so porn dvd's each month, now he says he just uses a few tube sites.

TGPs gave you a tast. Plus they did not have the traffick some of the BIG tube sites get.

Would you join asite these days when you can see thesites full content free on a tube site?

I can only see things getting worse.

Just look at all the sites being sold.

People seem to now want to get out of the bizz.

You guys need to learn to adapt. I've reviews LOTS of sites in my time and seen some really good ideas to get members.

Picture/Video archives aren't that amazing, get unique and develop something that makes you better than a tube site.

Sales are better than ever for us.

Well it doesn't have to be the end if you take action! I don't mean those law suites! Find your self a good protection company and they will do the job for you there is a bunch of companies like ours out there doing this for a living!

It is not just the tubes! Do you guys know anything about free file hosting websites? they are at the moment the main source of free porn as you don't need any sort of skill to use them not even installing a torrent client or a good connection to watch streaming video!

See that's what I'm working on, but finding producers that are willing to adapt to something new, other than just your vanilla porn shoot is difficult, not everyone is willing to adapt, yet.

Whatever your business, if you just keep doing the same thing over and over and never enhance or develop it your sales will of course decline over time.

All my friends that know what I do ask me how I'm still making a living doing this... they all say that don't need to join a site anymore because they can find it all for free... now think about how many of your friends are saying the same thing!

Well, opposite, you can't put photos on tubes :)

Selling porn probably would have been awesome with no TGPs or tubes :thumbsup

So the next logical question should be how do we put them out of business, legally?

It is easy just make the business impossible for them. You have to chase them to the point they give up on your specific content!

I was speaking as the industry as a whole. Not just individual companies. Individual companies should already be doing that.

The shear number new site popping up everyday is overwhelming, no one company can keep up. When one gets shut down 5 more open up, so as an industry how do we protect our trade?

Working together as a whole, something like ASACP has done might benefit us more than each individual companies trying to fight thousands of illegal sites, one by one. Go after them as a whole. Does that make sense?

The quickest way is sponsors and webmasters... if they had nobody to sell traffic to and no sponsors to promote then whats the good of all that traffic! But that will never happen in this industry!

semantics... i did say 180 degrees, which doe imply in the opposite direction..

anyway,, if the majority of people wanted to see pics, then tgp's would be crushing the tubes in rankings which is def not the case...

That is true, but unless all the companies start caring and fight in individual level first they cant really protect the business. Let me put it this way unless the pirates( including tube sites) are afraid that there is bad consequences awaiting them or that they have lsot audience they will not stop! so the goal should be finding methods to make it hard to for them to pirate things which as you pointed out correctly it needs a group effort.

"As a hole"... hm yeah, it makes sense, assuming "best practice" also actually is put into practice.

And where would we advertise? How would people find the paysites?

A good attorney and a federal class action digital copyright infringement threat would scare most of them out of biz. Granted following through with the suit couple times may be necessary but in the end the expense would be worth it fir everyone in the industry.

Just a thought.

Yes, no doubt about that. But there will always be a market for hi-res photos, especially the more soft-erotic/artistic ones. So if everyone convert into tubes, the ones left will gain. :winkwink:

:uhoh

Is that a serious question?

What about flooding torrents and Rapidshare type sites with blank or annoyingly watermarked video files? Wouldn't it be a deterrent to download if the thief knew there was a chance he would be getting something unwatchable?

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner folks.
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sales will go to hell

Un huh. Tube Sites aren't the problem. Not at all. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You're a winner dude. A real winner.

Yep clueless shithead noob. That is what I said.

I am sure in all your wisdom the problem of today could not be long term problems of customers being ripped off on 50 scene pay sites, nor their cards being banged in, or pre-checked cross sales they did not ask for, or clip stores, or having hard time canceling memberships, or content that is not tailored to their specialized demands, or pay sites that never update, or update once a week/month for $29.95. Nope. Couldn't be taking advantage of customers for 10+ years that has changed people's mentalities. Not to mention the past 18+ months, and the economy and credit crunch.

Must be the tubes are the problem for EVERYTHING in adult going bad.

You crack me up bitch ass trick.
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These are definitely things we did to screw ourselves, but I don't see how we can go back and fix those other than running clean programs and sites now. But torrents and tubes we can fix that.

I just did a search on a major torrent site for naughty america, on the first page 11 out of 15 results were stolen content!

That can't be helping us at all!

Agreed.

I am not saying the tubes do not have a role to play. However, they are the END RESULT in a much bigger issue that has been going on for a decade. Instead of blaming the end game, how about looking at the bigger source of the problem.

That's the point.
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Of course! Do you think if all tgps and tubes dissapear, review sites will have millions visitors daily? If you don't offer free content as promo, noone would join paysites either, because there wouldn't be enough sites with traffic to promote them. Free content was the best invention in adult, tubes are good, too, the only problem with them is that they offer full movies. Tubes with short movies are just as good as tgps. And its only a matter of time until all tubes have shorter clips.

DAMN RIGHT !

No ones buy music anymore. They download them as MP3 even tho they don't sound as good as the real thing why ? BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING FREE !
They are doing the same thing with porn. Bahhhhhh it's not really what he wanted to see or felt like but hey, it's free and he gets it RIGHT AWAY :mad:
It takes 2 secs for the guy to watch a full lenght porn movie. Do you really think this guy will buy something ?

We are teaching them to not buy anymore. As it's happening in the musical industry.


As for TGP's jesus christ get real here ! It was just small shitty samples and you even had to dig to find what you were looking for.

Reasons:
Tubes
Torrent
Cross sells and shitty behavior
Money crisis
Banks/Cards scrubbing

Add everything up and no wonder i get 1:70k on a fucking sponsor.:mad:

What you describe is whats happening in mainstream from day one, too. And even worse, mainstream is using much better hidden xsales and for a longer period of time. Every company in the world thinks just about profit, customer is only important until he pays, then they go for the next one. Its like complaining about day and night, it won't change, you can only use it for your own profits.

They don't? So all the millions of sold copies is buying who? The companies themselfs?

1:70k is your issue, not the sponsor's, today you can't just make a link with "paysite name - click here" and expect people to go crazy about it. Today you need marketing to sell paysites, it seems most people can't do it, so that makes people leaving faster than ever.