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will76 · 02-02-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Robbie, (someone will have to quote that one again <G> if anyone cares for an answer)

Thanks for the kudos on NATS... even from you...

Robbie, I am not talking down to you... 70 sales a day man to one program... that's awesome... and I mean that... also, I never claimed I made brazzers what it is today. _I_ would never take that credit, I just own the company and guide the team as to where I want to get, give them a vision, give them a target, give them incentives, make sure they are happy.. the team makes the magic happen... My magic is making sure the team is the right team and the team has what it needs to achieve its optimal goals...

Have I managed to amass one of the biggest if not the biggest online porn company on the planet? Yes, I have, with operations not only in North America but also in Europe, and looking into Asia (although fuck that is complicated to get into)... I honestly do not care if you think that is an achievement or not, I think I can be proud of it...

I also am not sure if you grasp what this company is. I have no time to do day to day things. I talk to my CEOs every day, I talk to certain key people often, for example the CFO... but day to day running the actual Manwin Canada biz... of course not! Never claimed I run that.. and since you asked, yes I was at a porn shoot... both professional and amateur.... (visited our Las Vegas production partner before I purchased and amateur, I pay 2000 amateur performers each month in europe to produce content at home... I know many many of them personally...)

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wow all of that and he still finds a couple hours a day to piss and argue with people on GFY, trying to make everyone believe he is some successful, powerful guy who runs the world.

You are a role model for the trolls on here, one day they may have porn empires to run too.

will76 · 02-02-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

No, actual videos...

mydirtyhobby.com

350 new videos a day... all home made.. kinda like homegrown on steroids

LOL did you get Far-L's permission there champ ?

xxxjay · 02-02-2011, 10:48 PM

I like your sig now...viva www.pornstarplatinum.com - may we be the next Brazzers

Nathan · 02-02-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

omfg... I apologize then. I thought that was all cam content. That is just crazy.

Guess we are only going to be able to claim being the first amateur company and not the world's largest library in a month or two...

Damn! There you go destroying everything again! You better watch out - at the rate you are going Godzilla is sure to awaken and rise to put you in your place!

We really need to talk about this in the next few weeks actually... good partnership possibility ahead...

The Porn Nerd · 02-02-2011, 11:36 PM

Someone PLEASE answer me this (since I've asked it so many God-damned times and no one can even address it I just assume it's the "magic question" of all eternity):

At this point, when the tubes are obviously worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS - why do they not simply remove ALL (and I mean ALL) of the "user-submitted" (stolen) content? There's enough big programs out there to populate a tube and then some. Problem solved, no? Then the memories of scraped and stolen content that built their legacies can fade over time, or whatever.

What the fuck does 'brazzers' even mean, anyway? Is that a Canadian slang for fucking a moose?

Agent 488 · 02-02-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Someone PLEASE answer me this (since I've asked it so many God-damned times and no one can even address it I just assume it's the "magic question" of all eternity):

At this point, when the tubes are obviously worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS - why do they not simply remove ALL (and I mean ALL) of the "user-submitted" (stolen) content? There's enough big programs out there to populate a tube and then some. Problem solved, no? Then the memories of scraped and stolen content that built their legacies can fade over time, or whatever.

because there always be ones that don't and they then will suck up the traffic.

most of the big tubes are coming from a file sharing background and not a porn/adult side and probably have never sold a porn membership ever.

they deal in traffic, not subscriptions.

Far-L · 02-03-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

We really need to talk about this in the next few weeks actually... good partnership possibility ahead...

Honored. We are ready when you are... and despite the fact that Will76 does not approve.

Far-L · 02-03-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

wow all of that and he still finds a couple hours a day to piss and argue with people on GFY, trying to make everyone believe he is some successful, powerful guy who runs the world.

You are a role model for the trolls on here, one day they may have porn empires to run too.

Actually, you keep saying you aren't going to post anymore but keep coming out of your cave to keep whining and making assinine assertions.

At least to my eye... that is the kind of behavior which can be described as being much more Troll-like...

Paul Markham · 02-03-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Those days are dead and gone. You need to live in the "today", the "Now".

I do, doing a new puzzle at the moment. Retirement is great.

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Paul, you are right, I did miss the "good old days" the "hey day" boat. And yes You rode it and made your money. I have mad respect for you for you and all of your accomplishments. Good for you. Im not here to fight with you or anybody, i just disagree with you and a few others.

And as far as me missing the boat, you are dead right. I have missed the good old days boat. I have not made the kind of money you have probably made.

I have only been in this business for the last 10 years. I live in Porn Valley where the best of the best compete for work. It is cut throat here and people who i know are good content shooters are leaving everyday.

The good old days ended about 5 years ago. If you had been selling sets 5-10 years ago you also would of known the good old days. Yes the decline had kicked in. But while people were paying $300-$500 for an exclusive solo set and video, Barely Legal were paying $2400 for a non exclusive set. Then there was the UK, EU, second rights and the Internet. All still buying in 2005.

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I stand by my statements:

Nicky is good solid people who i have the utmost respect for as a person and as a content shooter and he has also been in this business for 25+ years. I can call Nicky any time with any question i have about anything and he gives me the honest answer. He is the single most strait up person that i have ever had the pleasure of meeting in the adult business. People like that will always get my respect.

Nicky lives in the "today", the "now", he also lives, shoots in porn valley. He competes with the best of the best and he is still working.

Then he didn't make enough to sit back like we can. WILL someone PLEASE ICQ me his real name so I can put a handle to his Nick, I will not reveal it. Just would love to know who he is.

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And as of "today" not 20 years ago Brazzers has some of the nets very best online adult content. I don't give a fuck who had the idea 1st or who originated that style of shooting. I am talking about what is getting shot and produced "today".

If they have some of the best online content then there's a very big reason people aren't buying like they used to. From what I saw and "I stand by the statement" WHAT I SAW WASN'T GOOD.

That actually disappointed me because as I make it clear I think content is King and I expected them to have raised the bar on production. Did you read my comments on the scene I reviewed? The basic mistakes made in that scene are repeated over and over.

If they seriously did raise the bar and produce less quantity and more quality they would have a lot more members. Adding 3 more scenes that are average and little to differentiate between the other 3,000 isn't good business management.

Nathan · 02-03-2011, 01:22 PM

Paul, many of the things you call "mistakes" in your review, are essential to our members and the reason they like us.

For example the fact that the intro is long... they love that. It makes it all more real.

The fact that camera is not perfect all the time, is great too... again it makes it more real.

You might want to consider that tastes are different online today than they were in your time. And that not everyone has your tastes...

Everyone here is disagreeing with you, and you just do not care... talk about stubborn old man

(no disrespect!)

Paul, our content delivers what our users want, or we would not have so many users. Are there users that do not like our content? Of course.
Is the content only good for online? No its not. We are top 10 in sales on DVD too. So we really can't be all that bad as you make us look...

Paul Markham · 02-03-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Eric should be proud you take time out of your important, busy day managing your 100+ million dollar porn empire to come on GFY to piss with Robbie, DWB, and Paul.

During my time selling office furniture I was fortunate enough to meet many people who managed, ran or owned companies of this size. They hardly have time to lunch.

It's in their nature to be hands on, to want to get involved and to fill their day with everything they possible can. They had the drive, ambition and skills to get to that position. The last thing they would do is delegate to 2 people and troll on GFY.

They retire and go fishing or do jigsaws

, but while they work they want to be involved and in control of everything. Too scared some underling might miss something and tomorrow it will all be gone.

JustDaveXxx · 02-03-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I do, doing a new puzzle at the moment. Retirement is great.

Ahhhhhh! Makes perfect sense now.

When is the last time you actually shot a scene?

Like I have been sayen, its about "Today" and "Now".

I live in it and so does Brazzers.

As for Brazzers quality sucking... Really? Come on dude! It's like saying Ex-Girlfriend content sux because its lit badly or has camera shake.(style)

Paul your opinions are obviously based on if you had a bad day with your crossword puzzles. Brazzers size and the fact that they are expanding daily in an economy that is in the shitter says it all.

I do not need to see one damn Bazzers scene to know they are doing something right with their content style and quality.

OHH, good luck with that puzzle of yours, i got to head to set and shoot a scene in the "today" and "now". (not 20 years ago)

Far-L · 02-03-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

It's like saying Ex-Girlfriend content sux because its lit badly or has camera shake.(style)

You would be surprised how many years we have had to put up with people (reviewers) saying our "quality is not great" - EVEN THOUGH WHAT THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR AUDIENCE LOVES... TOTAL AUTHENTICITY*, real amateurs shooting homemade content. Not fake amateur but the real deal.

We had real "ex-GF" for almost 30 years before anyone decided to call it a niche and pay shooters to simulate it.

*/sorry, don't mean to sound like I am caps yelling at you - this has just been a pet peeve of ours for years!

Robbie · 02-03-2011, 05:44 PM

I think what Paul is saying is that the statement was made that Brazzers has the best content on the web.

Paul is saying that the shooting isn't done all that great and the sex ain't the best.

But as has been pointed out...that isn't always the key to making money.

So what SHOULD be said is that Brazzers has done a great overall job over the years of being the "best" big tit program for generic multiple girl paysites. Sorta the exact thing that piracy has put a hurtin' on (ironic)

As a guy who loves big tits...I definitely think Brazzers sites are the bomb. Do I think they are technically shot at the level that Paul is speaking of? Hell no. To shoot that way you're gonna need a multi-camera shoot and editing that is just not worth it to shoot these days (and I honestly don't think that many of the shooters in porn valley these days have ever had the experience of shooting a multi-cam shoot). Brazzers doesn't do it. And yeah, I've been on set and watched Brett Brando work. He shot the first scenes that Claudia-Marie ever did.

I used it as a learning experience because it had been 5 years since I had shot anything & I wanted to get up to speed. He does a good job. Especially since he was shooting 5 scenes a day, 5 days a week for Naughty America back then.
He had to basically "write" the scripts, shoot the whole thing with one camera, run the whole show...which is the way it's done these days. And I learned from being there.

Do I think that IF Brett Brando were given a single project to do with Brazzers to create a "feature" film done "right" the way Paul is talking about that he has those skills? I don't know.

But he's damn good and talented at doing what he does for sure.

One thing I've always done is I try to get on the set of other people's shoots anytime I can talk them into allowing me. I love learning, and you can always learn something by watching someone else work.

Robbie · 02-03-2011, 05:49 PM

Oh, and by the way...just to further what I was saying....
Claudia-Marie shot an episode a couple of months ago for a reality show on Showtime that is coming up this year.

She basically hires a male escort and got the hell fucked out of her in the episode she's in.

Those guys had 3 cameramen (big shouldermount cams), and two stationary cams on tripods, and the entire room was mic'ed up.

I can't even tell you how many people were there in the crew. It was more than 20.

That's the kind of thing that Paul is talking about (on the technical side), and it's just not something that's profitable at this point to do. And for stuff like I shoot, it's not even remotely necessary. But I do understand what he's saying.

BlackCrayon · 02-03-2011, 05:53 PM

regardless of opinions, in a business where you have to work more to make less to be in the 'now', its only a matter of time before its not viable at all.

JustDaveXxx · 02-04-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

You would be surprised how many years we have had to put up with people (reviewers) saying our "quality is not great" - EVEN THOUGH WHAT THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR AUDIENCE LOVES... TOTAL AUTHENTICITY*, real amateurs shooting homemade content. Not fake amateur but the real deal.

We had real "ex-GF" for almost 30 years before anyone decided to call it a niche and pay shooters to simulate it.

*/sorry, don't mean to sound like I am caps yelling at you - this has just been a pet peeve of ours for years!

I love your content.

It is exactly what it is so-pose to be.

Your content is getting shot like that "intestinally." Thats what makes it good.

LushBoobs · 11-17-2011, 02:02 AM

I'm going to hazzard a guess and say that brazzers/ porn hub was making 10 million a month, profit. By now it could be and most likely is more. Don't ask me how I know.. I just know. :::clapping hands::: impressive - but I wonder what they could do without the stolen content in the mix.. would it still be impressive? probably. Would it still be enough? most likely.. it's a shame that this can't be a win win for everyone, there should be enough horny people with cash to go around.. right?

on a side note: I've also heard that they're great guys, I haven't met them personally but if you're reading this, brazzers guys - you make a very good impression on NON adult industry professionals.

RycEric · 11-17-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LushBoobs

I'm going to hazzard a guess and say that brazzers/ porn hub was making 10 million a month, profit. By now it could be and most likely is more. Don't ask me how I know.. I just know. :::clapping hands::: impressive - but I wonder what they could do without the stolen content in the mix.. would it still be impressive? probably. Would it still be enough? most likely.. it's a shame that this can't be a win win for everyone, there should be enough horny people with cash to go around.. right?

on a side note: I've also heard that they're great guys, I haven't met them personally but if you're reading this, brazzers guys - you make a very good impression on NON adult industry professionals.

The guy giving away free stolen electronics is always the most popular guy on the block. It's a shame for what? It's a shame some people still have a backbone? You looking for a handout too? Fuck Manwin and Brazzers.

stocktrader23 · 11-17-2011, 07:03 AM

I just want to thank you for bringing Will76 and Paul Markham together on something.

Unban Will btw, I want to call him out on his hypocrisy some more.

LushBoobs · 11-17-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

The guy giving away free stolen electronics is always the most popular guy on the block. It's a shame for what? It's a shame some people still have a backbone? You looking for a handout too? Fuck Manwin and Brazzers.

It's a shame that people steal, lie, post other peoples work, use to get ahead, etc.. it's a bummer that some people haven't figured out that there is enough for everyone, and no one has to steal, lie, use, cheat, step on or climb over.. so ya it's a fucking shame. Do i sound like I'm looking for a fucking handout? it's a fucking shame. what part of that isn't clear? I'm happy for them that they're doing well but if they're doing it at the expense of everyone else then it's a fucking shame.

I happen to be someone who isn't down with lying, stealing, cheating, breaking agreements, breaking promises etc.. but I've unfortunately encountered more than my fair share of people like that both in my life and in this business. I stay to myself, don't associate with a large group of people but still... I was part of the ibill fiasco which caused plenty of drama, for which I'm still paying.. and for which I did not deserve. A lot of us work hard, we don't have a staff, we don't have big budgets and we're just trying to do the best we can with what we have and it's a shame when others, big companies and small, feel ok about infringing upon what I think is a right - work hard, see rewards - and yes, it totally sucks when you work hard to brand something, or someone - and then everyone else who didn't do the hard work profits from that - but it's life. So you work harder, and you think outside the box and you come up with new strategies - it's what pushes us to be creative and yes, it's a shame that we can't all just be honest and treat eachother respectfully and maintain an honorable stance with which to approach this whole work/earn a living/win thing.

I often question why I'm in this business - and still hope that working hard, being honest, keeping my agreements and promises and playing fair will work out.. I guess we'll see...

RycEric · 11-17-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LushBoobs

It's a shame that people steal, lie, post other peoples work, use to get ahead, etc.. it's a bummer that some people haven't figured out that there is enough for everyone, and no one has to steal, lie, use, cheat, step on or climb over.. so ya it's a fucking shame. Do i sound like I'm looking for a fucking handout? it's a fucking shame. what part of that isn't clear? I'm happy for them that they're doing well but if they're doing it at the expense of everyone else then it's a fucking shame.

I happen to be someone who isn't down with lying, stealing, cheating, breaking agreements, breaking promises etc.. but I've unfortunately encountered more than my fair share of people like that both in my life and in this business. I stay to myself, don't associate with a large group of people but still... I was part of the ibill fiasco which caused plenty of drama, for which I'm still paying.. and for which I did not deserve. A lot of us work hard, we don't have a staff, we don't have big budgets and we're just trying to do the best we can with what we have and it's a shame when others, big companies and small, feel ok about infringing upon what I think is a right - work hard, see rewards - and yes, it totally sucks when you work hard to brand something, or someone - and then everyone else who didn't do the hard work profits from that - but it's life. So you work harder, and you think outside the box and you come up with new strategies - it's what pushes us to be creative and yes, it's a shame that we can't all just be honest and treat eachother respectfully and maintain an honorable stance with which to approach this whole work/earn a living/win thing.

I often question why I'm in this business - and still hope that working hard, being honest, keeping my agreements and promises and playing fair will work out.. I guess we'll see...

You're the one giving props to them BRO.

02-02-2011, 10:48 PM	#103
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02-02-2011, 11:36 PM	#105
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,548	Someone PLEASE answer me this (since I've asked it so many God-damned times and no one can even address it I just assume it's the "magic question" of all eternity): At this point, when the tubes are obviously worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS - why do they not simply remove ALL (and I mean ALL) of the "user-submitted" (stolen) content? There's enough big programs out there to populate a tube and then some. Problem solved, no? Then the memories of scraped and stolen content that built their legacies can fade over time, or whatever. What the fuck does 'brazzers' even mean, anyway? Is that a Canadian slang for fucking a moose? __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

02-03-2011, 01:22 PM	#110
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Paul, many of the things you call "mistakes" in your review, are essential to our members and the reason they like us. For example the fact that the intro is long... they love that. It makes it all more real. The fact that camera is not perfect all the time, is great too... again it makes it more real. You might want to consider that tastes are different online today than they were in your time. And that not everyone has your tastes... Everyone here is disagreeing with you, and you just do not care... talk about stubborn old man (no disrespect!) Paul, our content delivers what our users want, or we would not have so many users. Are there users that do not like our content? Of course. Is the content only good for online? No its not. We are top 10 in sales on DVD too. So we really can't be all that bad as you make us look... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

02-03-2011, 05:44 PM	#114
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I think what Paul is saying is that the statement was made that Brazzers has the best content on the web. Paul is saying that the shooting isn't done all that great and the sex ain't the best. But as has been pointed out...that isn't always the key to making money. So what SHOULD be said is that Brazzers has done a great overall job over the years of being the "best" big tit program for generic multiple girl paysites. Sorta the exact thing that piracy has put a hurtin' on (ironic) As a guy who loves big tits...I definitely think Brazzers sites are the bomb. Do I think they are technically shot at the level that Paul is speaking of? Hell no. To shoot that way you're gonna need a multi-camera shoot and editing that is just not worth it to shoot these days (and I honestly don't think that many of the shooters in porn valley these days have ever had the experience of shooting a multi-cam shoot). Brazzers doesn't do it. And yeah, I've been on set and watched Brett Brando work. He shot the first scenes that Claudia-Marie ever did. I used it as a learning experience because it had been 5 years since I had shot anything & I wanted to get up to speed. He does a good job. Especially since he was shooting 5 scenes a day, 5 days a week for Naughty America back then. He had to basically "write" the scripts, shoot the whole thing with one camera, run the whole show...which is the way it's done these days. And I learned from being there. Do I think that IF Brett Brando were given a single project to do with Brazzers to create a "feature" film done "right" the way Paul is talking about that he has those skills? I don't know. But he's damn good and talented at doing what he does for sure. One thing I've always done is I try to get on the set of other people's shoots anytime I can talk them into allowing me. I love learning, and you can always learn something by watching someone else work. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 02-03-2011 at 05:45 PM..

02-03-2011, 05:49 PM	#115
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Oh, and by the way...just to further what I was saying.... Claudia-Marie shot an episode a couple of months ago for a reality show on Showtime that is coming up this year. She basically hires a male escort and got the hell fucked out of her in the episode she's in. Those guys had 3 cameramen (big shouldermount cams), and two stationary cams on tripods, and the entire room was mic'ed up. I can't even tell you how many people were there in the crew. It was more than 20. That's the kind of thing that Paul is talking about (on the technical side), and it's just not something that's profitable at this point to do. And for stuff like I shoot, it's not even remotely necessary. But I do understand what he's saying. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

02-03-2011, 05:53 PM	#116
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	regardless of opinions, in a business where you have to work more to make less to be in the 'now', its only a matter of time before its not viable at all. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

11-17-2011, 02:02 AM	#118
LushBoobs Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hollywood, California Posts: 140	I'm going to hazzard a guess and say that brazzers/ porn hub was making 10 million a month, profit. By now it could be and most likely is more. Don't ask me how I know.. I just know. :::clapping hands::: impressive - but I wonder what they could do without the stolen content in the mix.. would it still be impressive? probably. Would it still be enough? most likely.. it's a shame that this can't be a win win for everyone, there should be enough horny people with cash to go around.. right? on a side note: I've also heard that they're great guys, I haven't met them personally but if you're reading this, brazzers guys - you make a very good impression on NON adult industry professionals. __________________ <3 Last edited by LushBoobs; 11-17-2011 at 02:09 AM.. Reason: just because I could.

11-17-2011, 07:03 AM	#120
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	I just want to thank you for bringing Will76 and Paul Markham together on something. Unban Will btw, I want to call him out on his hypocrisy some more. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."