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justinsain · 03-31-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

your sarcasm detector is broken...

but: weed is of all drugs surely the most harmless, opposed to nicotine and alcohol it's not addictive (physically)

and i just found this:

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Worldwide Cost of Nicotine, Alcohol, and Drug Abuse

(in billions of dollars)

Alcohol addiction $885
Drug abuse $880
Smoking $400

Total cost: $2,165 billion
Note: Based on 2005 world market data.
Source: Kalorama Information
ELSEVIER GLOBAL MEDICAL NEWS

It should be noted that there are many countries/ cultures where just the cost of smoking makes it prohibitive while alcohol is cheap and easily available. Alcohol is far more available and used world wide than cigarettes.

The stats above would be more telling and pertinent to this discussion if they were about countries where alcohol and cigarettes are both available.

Sly · 03-31-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

THIS..

+ for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.

As smoking is now banned in most public places, it does no health damage to me. I probably get more help damage strolling down the street breathing in all of the car fumes.

Bama · 03-31-2011, 09:06 AM

I went up to the Duty Free shop this week on a trip up to Canada and bought a carton of cigarettes. The price for a carton was $18

That same carton of cigarettes would have cost me $78 had I purchased it in the U.S. $60 bucks in taxes on 1 carton of cigarettes. That's probably a bit higher than the national average because Washington has no state tax so they have to get theirs on top of the national tax but I'm guessing $40 per carton in federal tax would be close.

Multiply $40 by the number of cartons sold per week and then go kiss a smoker, ashtray mouth and all, and thank him/her for keeping you in the tax bracket you're in because without that tax revenue, you damned sure wouldn't be anymore.

AdultKing · 03-31-2011, 09:12 AM

Carton of smokes in Thailand about $10 AUD

Carton of smokes in Australia about $90 AUD

Bama · 03-31-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

THIS..

+ for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.

Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.

MaDalton · 03-31-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

THIS..

+ for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.

really, i was just being sarcastic...

but that alcohol doesn't damage the health of others you can tell those who were killed by drunk drivers, women and children that get beaten up by drunk fathers and husbands and so on.

PR_Glen · 03-31-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bama

Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.

people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...

more people die from falling off of ladders...

Deputy Chief Command · 03-31-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Carton of smokes in Thailand about $10 AUD

Carton of smokes in Australia about $90 AUD

the smokes you buy in thailand are crap .. cheap but crappy .. dont smoke them! they will instantly kill you

I remeber smoking marlboro's there and having this mad cough I normally dont have .. it went away once I stopped smoking the crappyy Thai cigarettes !! fucking garbage I tell ya

MaDalton · 03-31-2011, 09:17 AM

and btw - i used to smoke a lot but gave up abour 8-9 years ago. i hate the smell of cigarette smoke nowadays and i have no problem if it gets banned worldwide. but i also believe in personal freedoms and if someone wants to sit on his veranda and smoke a cigarette then he should be able to do that.

but: they should pay for their cancer treatment out of their own pockets ;)

Deputy Chief Command · 03-31-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...

more people die from falling off of ladders...

how about exhaust fumes ? they deadly or not ?

justinsain · 03-31-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i am not against alcohol and i am not "for" cigarettes but how many crimes are commited while people are drunk? how many rapes are blamed on being drunk? sure, maybe buddy only drinks once a month but then gets in his car and kills people. he still did more damage that a guy who smoked all his life. i know lots of people who only smoke when they drink, so they can't be addicted...one thing about cigarettes, at least it won't turn people into psychotic lunatics like alcohol can.

I agree with you.

However, my point is that drinking alcohol doesn't automatically make one do all that you've said. It takes a second step that one may or may not take. The use of the alcohol needs to be abused for it to become harmful.

The act of smoking a cigarette is harmful immediately and even though it's only harmful to the smoker, the damage is being done.

It's the same logic as guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. If we go around banning everything that can be abused and cause harm like cars, the internet, parenthood and the Jersey Shore we won't have anything left.

Plain and simple, alcohol can be used responsibly and be harmless and smoking cigarettes cannot. That's the difference.

irwin99 · 03-31-2011, 09:34 AM

Anybody who fell for this is an idiot. Obviously not true.

AdultKing · 03-31-2011, 09:42 AM

Last year a region in Melbourne started issuing $2000 fines for smoking in parts of the city

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225949686390

Zyber · 03-31-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

From 1st January 2013, if you come to Australia, leave the cigarettes at home because bringing them into Australia will just be like bringing in weed or other drugs.

Here's the news story, apparently it was covered on Lateline on the ABC tonight with an interview with the health minister.

Do you have a link to the source of your initial post?

AdultKing · 03-31-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Do you have a link to the source of your initial post?

Here's a link to the tobacco industry response

www.ideservetobeheard.com.au

I'll post more links as they become available.

Deputy Chief Command · 03-31-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Here's a link to the tobacco industry response

www.ideservetobeheard.com.au

I'll post more links as they become available.

lol.. stop the trolling

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The I Deserve to Be Heard campaign was launched by Philip Morris Limited, which makes Marlboro and other popular brands. It encourages smokers to write to their MP and enlist the support of other frustrated smokers.

The campaign has three grievances - outdoor smoking bans, taxes, and plain packaging and display of cigarettes.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/chee...#ixzz1ICKEb7xI

not one mention of 2013 complete smoking ban ;-)

xato · 03-31-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and btw - i used to smoke a lot but gave up abour 8-9 years ago. i hate the smell of cigarette smoke nowadays and i have no problem if it gets banned worldwide. but i also believe in personal freedoms and if someone wants to sit on his veranda and smoke a cigarette then he should be able to do that.

but: they should pay for their cancer treatment out of their own pockets ;)

I absolutely concur with everything you just said.

Except that I never smoked.
I hate the smell too, but fuck that, personal freedom should be the highest priority.

AdultKing · 03-31-2011, 10:13 AM

Current time in Melbourne

Fri 1 Apr 2011 04:13:14 EST

Goodnight everyone

SpicyM · 03-31-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

really, i was just being sarcastic...

but that alcohol doesn't damage the health of others you can tell those who were killed by drunk drivers, women and children that get beaten up by drunk fathers and husbands and so on.

I mean direct damage from alcohol.. not connected to vehicles or anything else.

This way I could tell that smokers can also set fire while smoking and kill 50 people in a building.

SpicyM · 03-31-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bama

Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.

It is not alcohol, its the peoples stupidity that kills.. the car is not drunk, only the person driving it.

SpicyM · 03-31-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

As smoking is now banned in most public places, it does no health damage to me.

Yeah, smoking is really banned in most public places and smokers dont give a shit unless they see policemen around.. never heard of anyone being sanctioned for smoking.

cooldude7 · 03-31-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by xato

I absolutely concur with everything you just said.

Except that I never smoked.
I hate the smell too, but fuck that, personal freedom should be the highest priority.

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Bama · 03-31-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...
more people die from falling off of ladders...

That's a "town-crier" type response. Not only is it just not accurate, it's flat out not true.

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

Bama · 03-31-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

It is not alcohol, its the peoples stupidity that kills.. the car is not drunk, only the person driving it.

Who are you kidding? The car is drunk as a skunk too!
Let's see how you fair chugging down 16 gallons of 10% proof!

Zyber · 03-31-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Current time in Melbourne

Fri 1 Apr 2011 04:13:14 EST

Goodnight everyone

Good one!

moeloubani · 03-31-2011, 11:31 AM

Edit: I hate April Fools I can't trust anything

AdultKing · 03-31-2011, 03:32 PM

Australia might as well ban the kangaroo

The Government would have more luck doing that.

The sad thing is that people keep smoking even at between $15 - $18 a packet, yes that much, and will continue to do so. I am trying to give up myself.

livexxx · 03-31-2011, 05:18 PM

Can't see them devoting any time to banning the fags until they've finished banning the aborigines

dazzling · 03-31-2011, 08:59 PM

This post is NOT true. No such statement has been made by the Prime Minister of Australia. Note how there is no link to a reliabe news article on this.
And second, only the State Governments can ban smoking, not the federal government.

$5 submissions · 03-31-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dazzling

This post is NOT true. No such statement has been made by the Prime Minister of Australia. Note how there is no link to a reliabe news article on this.
And second, only the State Governments can ban smoking, not the federal government.

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dazzling · 03-31-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Welcome to 4/1

Lol, yep just realized, got me, lol.

garce · 03-31-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Great, another draconian law in Australia!

Oh wait, no it isn't. It's actually about time a country stepped up and did this. I approve the abolishing of this filthy habit. Canada next please.

Ain't gonna happen. Our indigenous people would revolt like you've never seen before. Seriously - guns, the army, the complete and utter shutdown of of all national and local transportation. The complete shutdown of any development near native lands.

As much as politically-correct, spineless assholes want to kiss government ass for "saving our lives", I want to shove hot pokers up their asses. Repeatedly.

If Australia is going to ban tobacco, they should ban McDonalds and KFC - and any other mass-produced consumable product.

Fuck your hypocrisy.

As long as you're going to eat food out of a package, drive a car, and heat your house - I'm going to smoke cigarettes and cigars.

twistyneck · 04-01-2011, 12:02 AM

I love Australia but they have laws against everything. Fucking hell, I don't know why the people there put up with it.

BlackCrayon · 04-01-2011, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Ain't gonna happen. Our indigenous people would revolt like you've never seen before. Seriously - guns, the army, the complete and utter shutdown of of all national and local transportation. The complete shutdown of any development near native lands.

As much as politically-correct, spineless assholes want to kiss government ass for "saving our lives", I want to shove hot pokers up their asses. Repeatedly.

If Australia is going to ban tobacco, they should ban McDonalds and KFC - and any other mass-produced consumable product.

Fuck your hypocrisy.

As long as you're going to eat food out of a package, drive a car, and heat your house - I'm going to smoke cigarettes and cigars.

no matter what happens you'll never stop the natives from selling smokes so, no worries.

MILF36 · 04-01-2011, 05:14 AM

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georgeyw · 04-01-2011, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.

WTF? 'it's not less dangerous' ?

nico-t · 04-01-2011, 05:51 AM

freedom

nuff said!

theloller · 04-01-2011, 06:04 AM

and right now, i'm going to light up a red marlboro. tsk.
let me choose of what i want to dye.

GatorB · 04-01-2011, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

They should govern the country, not our lives, but really this has been on the cards a long time, it's just taken a reformist government to have the balls to do it. NZ has considered the same thing in the past.

If MY tax dollars are paying for YOUR health care then I think I should have a say if YOUR bad habbits are costing ME money.

Emil · 04-01-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.

What's more useful? Cars or cigarettes?

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03-31-2011, 09:06 AM	#53
Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	I went up to the Duty Free shop this week on a trip up to Canada and bought a carton of cigarettes. The price for a carton was $18 That same carton of cigarettes would have cost me $78 had I purchased it in the U.S. $60 bucks in taxes on 1 carton of cigarettes. That's probably a bit higher than the national average because Washington has no state tax so they have to get theirs on top of the national tax but I'm guessing $40 per carton in federal tax would be close. Multiply $40 by the number of cartons sold per week and then go kiss a smoker, ashtray mouth and all, and thank him/her for keeping you in the tax bracket you're in because without that tax revenue, you damned sure wouldn't be anymore.

03-31-2011, 09:12 AM	#54
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Carton of smokes in Thailand about $10 AUD Carton of smokes in Australia about $90 AUD

03-31-2011, 09:34 AM	#62
irwin99 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 144	Anybody who fell for this is an idiot. Obviously not true.

03-31-2011, 09:42 AM	#63
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Last year a region in Melbourne started issuing $2000 fines for smoking in parts of the city http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225949686390

03-31-2011, 10:13 AM	#68
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Current time in Melbourne Fri 1 Apr 2011 04:13:14 EST Goodnight everyone

03-31-2011, 03:32 PM	#77
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Australia might as well ban the kangaroo The Government would have more luck doing that. The sad thing is that people keep smoking even at between $15 - $18 a packet, yes that much, and will continue to do so. I am trying to give up myself.

03-31-2011, 05:18 PM	#78
livexxx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,201	Can't see them devoting any time to banning the fags until they've finished banning the aborigines

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twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	I love Australia but they have laws against everything. Fucking hell, I don't know why the people there put up with it.

04-01-2011, 05:51 AM	#87
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	freedom nuff said!