Should Ron Paul run again in 2012? - GoFuckYourself.com

$5 submissions · 04-02-2011, 10:56 PM

Let's keep the Age factor out of it. What are the most compelling reasons why Ron Paul should or should not run for president in 2012? Isn't the libertarian wing of the Tea Party movement enough "vindication" regarding this ideas?

This news story brought the thread question to mind: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52317.html

kane · 04-02-2011, 11:00 PM

Ron Paul has a book coming out later this month. Therefore he will likely run again just in time for the book to come out in paperback.

I'm not slamming Paul, I'm just saying he never runs a serious campaign and doesn't really want to win to it doesn't really matter if he runs or not. I feel he runs simply to draw attention to himself, maybe make 1 or 2 of his issues a little more well-known and to help the sales of his books.

Phoenix · 04-02-2011, 11:00 PM

he will never make it...the powers that be...mainly rothschild families etc, wont let him in

if he somehow managed to get in....like they forget to rig the election...then they would wipe him out the instant he went against the FED
they killed kennedy less then a week after he proclaimed he was shutting down the FED

billywatson · 04-02-2011, 11:01 PM

I'd vote for him.

drx · 04-02-2011, 11:11 PM

I'd vote for him

$5 submissions · 04-02-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

if he somehow managed to get in....like they forget to rig the election...then they would wipe him out the instant he went against the FED
they killed kennedy less then a week after he proclaimed he was shutting down the FED

It doesn't even have to go down that way. It could just be the same old same old... stagnation by cooptation.

Sausage · 04-03-2011, 12:08 AM

Sure he should, but do you really think the media or his opponents will give him a chance ? He is far too honest to win .. there is no way he will even get a look in!

onwebcam · 04-03-2011, 12:52 AM

He's already winning the straw polls. I have faith Obama with crash and burn between now and the election. In fact I'd be willing to bet he's back at the banker bailout table within months. If the EU breaks up it won't be long before the US is drug down with the sinking ship.

kane · 04-03-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Sure he should, but do you really think the media or his opponents will give him a chance ? He is far too honest to win .. there is no way he will even get a look in!

As I said above, it is him that doesn't want to him to win. It has very little to do with the media. Sure, he isn't a sexy candidate who gives them good sound bites and he is very smart so he isn't going to do Palin/Biden like gaffs, but if her were actually a candidate who won some of the primaries and was out in front they would pay attention to him.

His problem, and I guess in a way it is linked to what you say about him being too honest, is that he won't take any corporate money nor will he let lobbyist and the power brokers raise money for him. It takes around 100-150 million to win the primaries and Obama will have somewhere between 800 million and 1 billion for the general election. If he wants to compete on that level he has to be willing to let the machine raise him that money. Then when he is i office he can do as he pleases and if it works out, his popularity could carry him into a second term. But he won't do that so he will never raise enough money and therefore never give himself a legit chance.

Theo · 04-03-2011, 01:57 AM

he's like 80 y.old..

$5 submissions · 04-03-2011, 02:13 AM

One thing I dig about Ron Paul is that he speaks TRUTH to power. He's like the kid who finally said the Emperor is buck naked.

Of course, I don't agree with him on everything but the way this man can go head to head with conventional wisdom is quite refreshing. Forget all the Fed stuff. Forget all the small government stuff. (Although those are the areas I agree with him the most) Where he really goes BALLS OUT is when he risks being called a loon or an idiot for going against sacred cows like EVOLUTION and the idea of Lincoln being the best US president ever. He has other issues where he goes balls out.

Like I said, I don't agree with him on everything but you have to give respect to a man who counters the accepted wisdom of his age with a calm demeanor, cold facts, and engaging analysis.

GatorB · 04-03-2011, 02:59 AM

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Let's keep the Age factor out of it. What are the most compelling reasons why Ron Paul should or should not run for president in 2012? Isn't the libertarian wing of the Tea Party movement enough "vindication" regarding this ideas?

The GOP dismissed him last time, why wouldn't they do so again? As much as the want tea party votes the establishment wants THEIR guy and hopes they can con enough tea parties to either for for him or not at all. I will say he'll do better than he did in 2008 but in the end he'll still lose.

Also as president as candidates tend to find out once elected, they can't do shit unless they get permission form Congress. See the President can only SUGGEST legislation it's up to Congress to actually pass it or even put it up for a vote. And a president can have problems from even his own party not to mention the opposite party. As nearly every president has found out. Even Bush couldn't get his SS reform passed even though his party Controlled both houses of Congress. And he nearly didn't get his Medicare Subscription Drug Plan passed. And if it wasn't for a lot of democrat votes on that he wouldn't have.

Every would be president promises the moon because he doesn't know what the job really entails. Even governors that run do this and they really should know better. Of course they probably have more control over their own party in their home state and can push guys around. I think Obama has learned this lesson and a 2nd term by him will be less grandiose in both ideas and actions. Any tea party candidate that won election will soon learn the same lesson. You just can't come swooping and and BAM make changes. First because you have to cooperate with the other side and compromise, and the tea partiers think you don't have to. Second, as bad as the people claim they want change when you actually do it they say "Whoooah wait a minute". Kind of like when a girl seems all excited by finally letting you fuck her in the ass because she wants to try something different, then as soon as you try to get the head in she's says "ouch, wait I've change my mind". That's the American people.

GatorB · 04-03-2011, 03:14 AM

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He's already winning the straw polls. I have faith Obama with crash and burn between now and the election. In fact I'd be willing to bet he's back at the banker bailout table within months. If the EU breaks up it won't be long before the US is drug down with the sinking ship.

for guy whose avatar seems to like neither party you sure are gung ho for the GOP. And no Obama won't burn. Heck unemployment has fallen 1% in just 4 months. even if it only falsl at half that rate until the election it will be 6.5% by then.

For those that forget history in March 1983 unemployment was 10.3% but it was down 0.5% from it's peak of 10.8% in December 1982 and Reagan was NOT a sure thing for re-election. See a familiar patern here? By Sept 1984 it had fallen to 7.3%( Sept numbers come out in October and are the last before the election ) and Reagan won re-election easily. The unemployment rate ironically wasn't much different than it was in Sept 1980 when it was 7.5%. But it was the effect that people felt things were getting better that helped Reagan.

maxxtro · 04-03-2011, 03:22 AM

It`s a shame he is so old. I think he would be a very different kind of president.

+ Fox News hates him, so he must be doing something right..

Barry-xlovecam · 04-03-2011, 05:49 AM

He could add ideas to the debate.

However, he is too radical to be elected.

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IllTestYourGirls · 04-03-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

for guy whose avatar seems to like neither party you sure are gung ho for the GOP. And no Obama won't burn. Heck unemployment has fallen 1% in just 4 months. even if it only falsl at half that rate until the election it will be 6.5% by then.

You believe those unemployment numbers? Do you believe the inflation numbers too?

As far as Ron Paul not being able to do things he promises. He is not promising anything. He is saying what he wants to do. And he has admitted several times it is not realistic. However, there are many things he could do: Pardon all non-violent drug offenders. Pardon all non-violent "tax cheats". Bring our troops home. He could also try to defund many agencies that are trampling on our civil liberties, he could change the way the TSA works ect.

There are many many things he could do, before the some nut job assassinates him.

IllTestYourGirls · 04-03-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AVN Theo

he's like 80 y.old..

The last two young presidents worked out so well!

u-Bob · 04-03-2011, 07:03 AM

First of all he'll never win. The powers that be would never allow it. If they'd allow it, that would be a clear sign that things are way worse than anyone could have imagined and that they're letting him take the fall for it.

Should he run for office? I hope so. Not because I think he'll win but because of the attention he brings to economics in general and the Austrian School in specific.

seeandsee · 04-03-2011, 07:36 AM

Ron Paul is next president! VOTE FOR PAUL

GatorB · 04-03-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Pardon all non-violent drug offenders.

Oh the governors would love that.

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Pardon all non-violent "tax cheats".

WTF does that mean? Ok just encourage people to cheat on taxes.

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He could also try to defund many agencies that are trampling on our civil liberties, he could change the way the TSA works ect.

No he can't.

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There are many many things he could do

not without the help of congress.

IllTestYourGirls · 04-03-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Oh the governors would love that.

WTF does that mean? Ok just encourage people to cheat on taxes.

No he can't.

not without the help of congress.

If they are in federal prisons it is a federal issue.

Cheat on taxes? No start to get rid the unfair income tax that punishes lower and middle class. Or do you like watching the lower and middle class people getting fucked while corporations get a free ride? Zero income tax is the only fair income tax.

He can influence TSA policies.

He can veto any bill he does not like and that in itself is getting a lot done. Unlike Obama who always says "i didn't want to have to do such and such BUT i did anyway"

Redrob · 04-03-2011, 10:04 AM

I think we need a new third and, maybe, fourth political parties.

Let the Tea Bagging Libertarians form their own party...... and leave the Republicans with the Christian crazies.

or,

Let the vast majority of 'centerist' form their own party leaving all the nut jobs from both extremes hanging on the fringes.

$5 submissions · 04-03-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by maxxtro

It`s a shame he is so old. I think he would be a very different kind of president.

+ Fox News hates him, so he must be doing something right..

Establishment repubs don't like him. That much is true. But Fox News milks him to get views from time to time.

INever · 04-03-2011, 12:48 PM

He's waiting for his instructions from the ETs on Planet Draco.

theking · 04-03-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I think we need a new third and, maybe, fourth political parties.

Let the Tea Bagging Libertarians form their own party...... and leave the Republicans with the Christian crazies.

or,

Let the vast majority of 'centerist' form their own party leaving all the nut jobs from both extremes hanging on the fringes.

There are more than 50 federally registered political parties...it is up to the people to bring one...or more to the forefront...to be competitive with the current 2 dominant parties.

PornMD · 04-03-2011, 03:17 PM

As much as I'd like to see him run again, it would be a terrible statement about this country for the likes of Sarah Palin to beat him in primaries, which sadly I'm afraid probably would happen.

$5 submissions · 04-03-2011, 04:21 PM

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As much as I'd like to see him run again, it would be a terrible statement about this country for the likes of Sarah Palin to beat him in primaries, which sadly I'm afraid probably would happen.

It's looking less likely she'll run. Michelle Bachmann on the other hand...

Coup · 04-03-2011, 04:23 PM

Dr. no? More like Captain Pork Barrel!

dynastoned · 04-03-2011, 04:24 PM

he should run because hes the last honest politician out there.

IllTestYourGirls · 04-03-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

Dr. no? More like Captain Pork Barrel!

Earmarks are not pork.

Coup · 04-03-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Earmarks are not pork.

Coup · 04-03-2011, 04:37 PM

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Pork-barrel projects, or earmarks, are added to the federal budget by members of the appropriation committees of United States Congress. This allows delivery of federal funds to the local district or state of the appropriation committee member, often accommodating major campaign contributors. To a certain extent, a member of Congress is judged by their ability to deliver funds to their constituents. The Chairman and the ranking member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Appropriations are in a position to deliver significant benefits to their states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel#Examples

IllTestYourGirls · 04-03-2011, 04:54 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel#Examples

Ear marks make up around 30 billion dollars a year out of a 2 trillion dollar budget. Congress by law has to spend it. So what do you suggest a congressman do? Not return any of the districts tax money back to them?

Want to see real pork?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obamacare

and maybe here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...strial_complex

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$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	One thing I dig about Ron Paul is that he speaks TRUTH to power. He's like the kid who finally said the Emperor is buck naked. Of course, I don't agree with him on everything but the way this man can go head to head with conventional wisdom is quite refreshing. Forget all the Fed stuff. Forget all the small government stuff. (Although those are the areas I agree with him the most) Where he really goes BALLS OUT is when he risks being called a loon or an idiot for going against sacred cows like EVOLUTION and the idea of Lincoln being the best US president ever. He has other issues where he goes balls out. Like I said, I don't agree with him on everything but you have to give respect to a man who counters the accepted wisdom of his age with a calm demeanor, cold facts, and engaging analysis. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

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