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Old 05-02-2011, 02:54 PM   #51
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As a former Marine Mustang I?ve had the very unique opportunity to personally participate in this type of operation both from the boots on the ground tactical level as well as the strategic planning level. While I don?t normally offer guarantees freely in this case I can unequivocally GUARANTEE you that this particular ?host nation? had absolutely no notification prior to this raid, period!

That being said, from a political standpoint, both U.S. and Pakistan officials are deciding right now (if the decision hasn?t already been made) whether or not to claim publicly that they were notified prior to the raid. Irrespective of what is claimed publicly, Pakistan was not notified at any point prior to the commencement of this raid.

It simply doesn?t work like that with operations in countries such as Pakistan. Notifying Pakistan officials prior to the operation would have been a serious breach of operational security that no U.S. military commander worth their salt would have been willing to accept. If Bin Laden had been found in Jordan I wouldn?t be offering a guarantee that Jordanian officials weren?t notified prior to the raid (maybe, maybe not) but in Pakistan, absolutely no way they knew and you can take that to the bank!
Can you really 'unequivocally GUARANTEE' this? I don't think so some how
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Can you really 'unequivocally GUARANTEE' this? I don't think so some how
That's why they call it "convert".
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:07 PM   #54
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That's why they call it "convert".
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Can you really 'unequivocally GUARANTEE' this? I don't think so some how
Yes, based on 14 years of experience and being personally involed in several operations very similar to this in various countries around the globe, I can "unequivocally GUARANTEE" it!

Anyone who's ever participated in such an operation will tell you the same thing, Pakistan did not know about this prior to the raid, period!
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That's why they call it "convert".
I think you mean 'covert' but that's got fuck all to do with it.
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Yes, based on 14 years of experience and being personally involed in several operations very similar to this in various countries around the globe, I can "unequivocally GUARANTEE" it!

Anyone who's ever participated in such an operation will tell you the same thing, Pakistan did not know about this prior to the raid, period!
You're basing a guarantee on past experience? Nice one
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maybe rochard knows something we don't?
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Yes, based on 14 years of experience and being personally involed in several operations very similar to this in various countries around the globe, I can "unequivocally GUARANTEE" it!

Anyone who's ever participated in such an operation will tell you the same thing, Pakistan did not know about this prior to the raid, period!
Nothing in life is guaranteed, but I would also be very very shocked if there was prior notification. There are WAY too many holes in Pakistan's security and too many sympathisers in the government. It would constitute WAY too much risk that the mission would be compromised and troopers lives put at risk. The closest I think they would have come is to tell them as they were extracting... that would be about it.



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i can guarantee that they do not reveal this sort of info prior to mission go on tom clancy's splinter cell for xbox360.
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maybe rochard knows something we don't?
All I know is what I'm reading on the news really.

I'm a former Marine myself and I love to see our military in action.
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It is definitely a crazy reality for the guys who did this raid, hardcore.
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at least this works out great for Barry to start up his re election bid
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As a former Marine Mustang I?ve had the very unique opportunity to personally participate in this type of operation both from the boots on the ground tactical level as well as the strategic planning level. While I don?t normally offer guarantees freely in this case I can unequivocally GUARANTEE you that this particular ?host nation? had absolutely no notification prior to this raid, period!

That being said, from a political standpoint, both U.S. and Pakistan officials are deciding right now (if the decision hasn?t already been made) whether or not to claim publicly that they were notified prior to the raid. Irrespective of what is claimed publicly, Pakistan was not notified at any point prior to the commencement of this raid.

It simply doesn?t work like that with operations in countries such as Pakistan. Notifying Pakistan officials prior to the operation would have been a serious breach of operational security that no U.S. military commander worth their salt would have been willing to accept. If Bin Laden had been found in Jordan I wouldn?t be offering a guarantee that Jordanian officials weren?t notified prior to the raid (maybe, maybe not) but in Pakistan, absolutely no way they knew and you can take that to the bank!

You are 100% right Sir. No doubt you are right, and thank God we didn't notify them!
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All I know is what I'm reading on the news really.

I'm a former Marine myself and I love to see our military in action.
i was actually messin with those other guys for the convert comments.

convert ops, sounds plausible. i would of ran with it.

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at least this works out great for Barry to start up his re election bid
if this happened during the bush admin you would have been lined up at the white house to suck his cock..

the fact is that this operation has been on going since clinton was in the white house and if clinton would have had the balls to deal with the civilian casualties, osama would have been dead a long time ago and maybe 9/11 would have never happened..

but, this event could have just have easily happened in a latter administration..

i applaud obama for listening to his military leaders and focusing on pakistan as the safe haven for al qaeda even though politically this has been a difficult road considering all the political ramifications of taking the fight into pakistan..

being the tin foil hat that i am and having a total distrust for the govt, i would love to read all the classified memos up to and after 9/11 to see exactly what the govt knew about al qaedas plans to hijack planed and fly them into buildings and what they allowed to happen..

at the end of the day, osama had become a figure head to a larger picture and it will be interesting to see if this has any future impact on controlling terrorism.. my bet would be that there will always be some real or perceived threat against the US and always some declared war on an organization that has different ideals than the US..

without fear of some real or imaginary boogey man, the govt has a much harder time controlling its flock...








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i wouldn't mess with them. they were pretty much certified crazy, some of the shit they did. oooofff.
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i wouldn't mess with them. they were pretty much certified crazy, some of the shit they did. oooofff.
I had some friends in Force Recon.... They would drop out of sight for weeks at a time and then suddenly came back like they were never gone, and never ever mentioned anything about it. It was odd.
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I had some friends in Force Recon.... They would drop out of sight for weeks at a time and then suddenly came back like they were never gone, and never ever mentioned anything about it. It was odd.
Members of Special Operations Forces...Seals...Special Forces...Rangers...Force Recon...Delta Force...carry out missions outside of the U.S...without the knowledge of the U.S. public and without the knowledge of countries they are operating in...on a daily basis...all around the world.
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Members of Special Operations Forces...Seals...Special Forces...Rangers...Force Recon...Delta Force...carry out missions outside of the U.S...without the knowledge of the U.S. public and without the knowledge of countries they are operating in...on a daily basis...all around the world.
Commiting crimes on a daily basis? Wow. no wonder 9/11 happened.
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Commiting crimes on a daily basis? Wow. no wonder 9/11 happened.
You don't think the British don't do it too? LOL.

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Highly, highly unlikely, that would have been an act of war. How would america have acted if the Pakistani army had gone into some american town without permission to extridite a wanted person? Pakistan may claim not to have known about it to placate some internal dissidents but they knew.

bull fucking shit. pakistan is SO corrupt they only knew on the way out. obama said they were in on it to save face for them. based on the embarrassment of knowing bin laden was in the country, the backed the fuck down. trust me.
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This is why we need Jesse Ventura (a former Navy Seal) for Pres.

The guy is going around telling it like it is on all the controversial topics. Scared of nothing.

I wonder what his take is? He might not be following the party line on this either. He usually doesn't.

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You're basing your opinion on being an overweight keyboard warrior who has never seen a minute of service?

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This corpse made manifest lived in a house next to a military academy 40 miles from the capitol (thats a daily work commute for some), in a mansion that was EIGHT TO TEN times as big as the neighbors with high walls to prevent curious onlookers.

Top that off the pakis have invasive surveillance EVERYWHERE and people think they weren't in on hiding him?

It was obvious the pakistani president knew exactly where he was, hell it was obvious half of their entire government did.

The only 'help' they gave us was accidentally turning over phone transcripts(or whatever medium) that their lazy asses didn't vet first (thus removing any tidbits about osama while looking like they were doing their job)

There is no logical way they were informed. If the US told pakistan, osama would not have been shot.

Here is my guess as to what happened:
Paki-1: holy shit there are 2 big nasty gun ships flying over our military academy, shoot'm down!
Paki-2: Fuck me they are american, and they are spewing marines into osamas house!
Paki-3: send some 'help' down there and make sure Bin laden gets shot in the head so he doesnt talk to them and rat us out.
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It was Navy Seal Team Six that went in and killed Osama bin Laden. They flew into Pakistan in multiple helicopters to a town that had a military academy with over three thousand Pakistani troops less than half a mile a way, attacked a compound with eighteen foot walls, killed a handful of people, and left.

And no one in Pakistan had any fucking clue it happened.

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The pakis are only saying they gave co-operation to save face.
There is no way he lived for years in a secretive compound in a military town, without officials turning a blind eye at least.
Their government is riddled with terrorist sympathisers.

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The pakis are only saying they gave co-operation to save face.
There is no way he lived for years in a secretive compound in a military town, without officials turning a blind eye at least.
Their government is riddled with terrorist sympathisers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/salma...t-state-2011-5
I think Pakistan knew nothing. There' an entire article about it on Yahoo news.

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WASHINGTON/ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) ? Pakistan's president acknowledged for the first time on Tuesday that his security forces were left out of a U.S. operation to kill Osama bin Laden, but he did little to dispel questions over how the al Qaeda leader was able to live in comfort near Islamabad.

The revelation that bin Laden had holed up in a compound in the military garrison town of Abbottabad, possibly for years, prompted many U.S. lawmakers to demand a review of the billions of dollars in aid Washington gives to nuclear-armed Pakistan.

"He was not anywhere we had anticipated he would be, but now he is gone," Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari wrote in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, without offering further defense against accusations his security services should have known where bin Laden was hiding.

"Although the events of Sunday were not a joint operation, a decade of cooperation and partnership between the United States and Pakistan led up to the elimination of Osama bin Laden as a continuing threat to the civilized world."

It was the first substantive public comment by any Pakistani civilian or military leader on the airborne raid by U.S. special forces on bin Laden's compound in the early hours of Monday.
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