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Old 09-22-2011, 01:09 PM   #1
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wow, they broke the speed of light at CERN

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-light.html

should I be bumping my "I debunked einstein while eating icecream" thread?
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should I be bumping my "I debunked einstein while eating icecream" thread?
Fuck, do I have to re-take physics now?
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Thanks for Sharing, Ron. Good stuff.
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Ereditato declined to speculate on what it might mean if other physicists, who will be officially informed of the discovery at a meeting in CERN on Friday, found that OPERA's measurements were correct.

"I just don't want to think of the implications," he said. "We are scientists and work with what we know."

Much science-fiction literature is based on the idea that, if the light-speed barrier can be overcome, time travel might theoretically become possible.
Why don't they want to think of the implications? This should be an extremely exciting discovery leading to many thoughts, theories, and speculations.

So, for the physics majors on GFY, a couple questions. Why does something that can travel faster than the speed of light mean that time travel may be possible? What will this do to the study of physics?
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Why don't they want to think of the implications? This should be an extremely exciting discovery leading to many thoughts, theories, and speculations.

So, for the physics majors on GFY, a couple questions. Why does something that can travel faster than the speed of light mean that time travel may be possible? What will this do to the study of physics?
this is why:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1450...light=12clicks
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over a nanosecond? thought they might be jumping the gun a bit
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Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the international group of researchers, said that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.
I wonder then if the Nutrino arrived BEFORE it left Geneva?

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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm about to travel through time, I bid you adieu...
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over a nanosecond? thought they might be jumping the gun a bit
Think Office Space.

Apply to physics.
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Why don't they want to think of the implications? This should be an extremely exciting discovery leading to many thoughts, theories, and speculations.

So, for the physics majors on GFY, a couple questions. Why does something that can travel faster than the speed of light mean that time travel may be possible? What will this do to the study of physics?
i'm a novice when it comes to the subject but i'll take a shot at it... (someone correct me if i'm way off please!)

We see things through light transfer, reflection etc with our eyes. The stars we see are so far away that we are looking at them from the past. If we can travel faster than light we can can surpass what we can see and essentially time travel.

I'm pretty sure this doesn't open the doors for things like going BACK in time.. I really don't think that is even possible.. but being able to view things before we can see them would be quite impressive.
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So if the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s

.....then exactly how fast is this new speed?
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Cool stuff.. And one more example of how people putting faith in "science" as being written in stone are foolish.. Man knows shit about how things really work and every year some new study comes out that proves some "fact" wrong.
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being able to view things before we can see them would be quite impressive.
You have already done this, we all have.
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Why don't they want to think of the implications? This should be an extremely exciting discovery leading to many thoughts, theories, and speculations.

So, for the physics majors on GFY, a couple questions. Why does something that can travel faster than the speed of light mean that time travel may be possible? What will this do to the study of physics?
first off there is no 'time'. time is the same a 'mile' in that is is not a natural occurrence only a device which men use to measure certain aspects of reality. going back in time using faster than light speeds would meant this in practice: seeing a Galaxy explode, because as you move closer you will be seeing the event earlier in time. it's not about meeting your mom in HS
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explain? Even if you view something through a high powered telescope you are still looking at how it was long in the past.
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first off there is no 'time'. time is the same a 'mile' in that is is not a natural occurrence only a device which men use to measure certain aspects of reality. going back in time using faster than light speeds would meant this in practice: seeing a Galaxy explode, because as you move closer you will be seeing the event earlier in time. it's not about meeting your mom in HS
You read my ice-cream thread
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Did the particles arrive before they were shot?
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explain? Even if you view something through a high powered telescope you are still looking at how it was long in the past.
If you stand one of your hottest girls naked in front of a telescope,, I bet I can get to her before I cum..

Ok I will try to get to her...

All right I will spooge in my pants before I can even get my eye to the telescope..

Anyway this discovery is going to get interesting..
Cant wait till the pope tells us that God had or has something to do with this.
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Amazing this should make you a lot more money now. Faster cross sales ??
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should I be bumping my "I debunked einstein while eating icecream" thread?
Do you think gold nuggets fly out of your ass as quick?
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i'm a novice when it comes to the subject but i'll take a shot at it... (someone correct me if i'm way off please!)

We see things through light transfer, reflection etc with our eyes. The stars we see are so far away that we are looking at them from the past. If we can travel faster than light we can can surpass what we can see and essentially time travel.

I'm pretty sure this doesn't open the doors for things like going BACK in time.. I really don't think that is even possible.. but being able to view things before we can see them would be quite impressive.
novice here as well but that's the way i understand it too. but it would be a way to "go back"

if a point in space is say, 20 light years away from you, and you could can send some apparatus to that point in 10 years, it'd start seeing the light from 10 years ago and up

.......i think
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We figured all this crap out on another thread.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034...ght=light+mass

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I think you should look at your theory again, but this time while you are enjoying Ben & Jerry's Schweddy Balls?

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explain? Even if you view something through a high powered telescope you are still looking at how it was long in the past.
Human beings are quite impressive in some ways. We view things in our minds that don't exist, and we create them, sometimes on a massive scale (i.e. computers, fiber optics technology, the walls in your room). We view things before we can physically see them. We create from nothing something never before seen and only imagined.

We also cheat light constantly. My night vision site shows what can't be seen with the naked eye in the dark, so do xrays and ultrasounds. So many real world examples of this, including what CERN did today.

However if you're attempting to limit the discussion to being able to sense something visually, before you can sense it visually, then that's a straw mans discussion and I'm out on that one.
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Does this mean we will have a faster fiber optic internet...
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Either this turn physics on it's head, or they'll realize the receiving station 160 km away was really just 159.99999 km away.
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I wonder then if the Nutrino arrived BEFORE it left Geneva?

Hmmmm..
No, it does't mean that.

The neutrino had to travel about 700km. You can then calculate the time it should take to get there.

So with 299 792 458m/s over 700,000m..that's about 0.002334948 seconds if I'm not mistaken.

A nanosecond is 0.000000001 seconds.

According to the artical, what happens is is that it arrived 60 nanoseconds earlier than expected.

So: 0.002334948 - 0.000000060 = 0.002334888 seconds over the 700km.
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.....then exactly how fast is this new speed?

299 800 247 m/s
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LOL shows how much you know Ronnie... I posted that while on break, now I am home from my job.
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$1 says Bachman or Pat Robertson try to make the argument that 'If einstein can be wrong so can Darwin' as part of a renewed push for 'intelligent design.'

It could be a monumental discovery but people will assign it their own agenda even faster than a neutrino can move.
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first off there is no 'time'. time is the same a 'mile' in that is is not a natural occurrence only a device which men use to measure certain aspects of reality. going back in time using faster than light speeds would meant this in practice: seeing a Galaxy explode, because as you move closer you will be seeing the event earlier in time. it's not about meeting your mom in HS
Is this like when my friend gets in a wreck and txt's/calls me about it? Phones = first time travel device!
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:35 PM   #46
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-light.html

should I be bumping my "I debunked einstein while eating icecream" thread?
were you one of the scientists consulted for the experiment?...did they invite you and serve you ice cream?
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:43 PM   #47
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LOL shows how much you know Ronnie... I posted that while on break, now I am home from my job.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:43 PM   #48
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We will have to send them to "Happy Time Traffic School" to get their speeding ticket removed or they will see their insurance go up for sure.

I'm sure breaking the speed limit of light will be a major fine; especially, if it occurred in a school zone.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:30 PM   #49
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Now if they could just make my Internet connection a little bit fucking faster I would be happy.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:45 PM   #50
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the faster you travel towards the speed of light the slower time passes relative to a stationary object. it is a way of future time travel, not of going to the past.

amazing article. thanks.
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