What is the filesonic business model? - GoFuckYourself.com

ilnjscb · 10-21-2011, 11:49 AM

I see no ads on the download page, which is what all the content theft forums link to. Does anyone have an inkling of why they'd get sign-ups? It isn't quality, since the content is the same.

seeandsee · 10-21-2011, 11:50 AM

premium account?
http://www.filesonic.com/affiliate-program

Payouts

* We pay weekly, every Tuesday from the previous Saturday to Friday
* We make payments to Paypal, Webmoney and AlertPay. Payments via bank wire transfer are available on request
* Minimum payout is $15 (Except Elite)

/affiliate/advertise-with-us
/affiliate-program

fris · 10-21-2011, 12:49 PM

like 100% of the filesharing sites, premium memberships

ilnjscb · 10-22-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

like 100% of the filesharing sites, premium memberships

So they are just buying time - wow

Jarmusch · 10-22-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

So they are just buying time - wow

Time, speed, priority, multiple downloads at once, unlimited downloads per day etc.

All the things you don't get for free.

BIGTYMER · 10-22-2011, 07:38 AM

Wupload is the new filesharer of choice.

woj · 10-22-2011, 08:03 AM

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

fris · 10-22-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Wupload is the new filesharer of choice.

i noticed that, an ebook site i visit switched all its links with wupload, must have been a pain too, the site has been around since 2009, and all of the ebooks were replaced, all through the archives.

another new one is crocko.com

Young · 10-22-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

$9 a month for a shit load of free (albeit illegal) shit from a variety of sites.

or

$20-$40 for one membership to one site with (usually) one niche.

Paul&John · 10-22-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

Just check wupload and they offer:
1 month for $9
...
1 year for $55

it also says that you can download as much as you want - unlimited.
Now keep in mind that almost everything can be found there, then it's not a bad deal at all for the surfer.
Instead of paying $30 for only one membership he pays only $9 to see it all. And nobody can sue them (if i'm correct), because they aren't sharing the files back (as with torrents), they are just downloading them.

Also it's the perfect choice for some people who are looking for 1-2 pornstars which can be found at shitload of sites.

Paul&John · 10-22-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Young

$9 a month for a shit load of free (albeit illegal) shit from a variety of sites.

or

$20-$40 for one membership to one site with (usually) one niche.

here you were faster

RayBonga · 10-22-2011, 08:33 AM

Its called fremium:

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Freemium is a business model that works by offering a product or service free of charge (typically digital offerings such as software, content, games, web services or other) while charging a premium for advanced features, functionality, or related products and services.

more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemium

ilnjscb · 10-22-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Time, speed, priority, multiple downloads at once, unlimited downloads per day etc.

All the things you don't get for free.

Time = Time
Speed = spend less time = Time
Priority = wait less time = Time
multiple downloads at once = more download efficiency = Time
unlimited downloads per day = Less time waiting to download = Time

Once again, all they are selling is time.

ilnjscb · 10-22-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RayBonga

Its called fremium:

I guess the model is fremium, but I always think that is when you give away something you own, like a MMPORG.

This is illemium.

woj · 10-22-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

Just check wupload and they offer:
1 month for $9
...
1 year for $55

it also says that you can download as much as you want - unlimited.
Now keep in mind that almost everything can be found there, then it's not a bad deal at all for the surfer.
Instead of paying $30 for only one membership he pays only $9 to see it all. And nobody can sue them (if i'm correct), because they aren't sharing the files back (as with torrents), they are just downloading them.

Also it's the perfect choice for some people who are looking for 1-2 pornstars which can be found at shitload of sites.

yea, it makes sense I guess, but it still seems twisted to me to pay to be able to pirate stuff faster...

but probably most surfers don't even view it as pirating stuff, they just see it as either paying $30/month for one site, or $10/month for 20 sites, like you pointed out... they probably don't even realize that they are doing anything wrong...

RycEric · 10-22-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

like 100% of the filesharing sites, premium memberships

Filesonic has a huge share but not that much.. around 26%. Mainstream is different though and definitely not filesonic.

Paul&John · 10-22-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

yea, it makes sense I guess, but it still seems twisted to me to pay to be able to pirate stuff faster...

but probably most surfers don't even view it as pirating stuff, they just see it as either paying $30/month for one site, or $10/month for 20 sites, like you pointed out... they probably don't even realize that they are doing anything wrong...

I can only imagine what are they (the surfers) saying about membership prices at porn sites.. i'm pretty sure most of them are saying that $30 is a lot, but they wouldn't buy it if it would cost only $5 either.
Also I'm pretty confident that the majority of them knows that wupload is not the legal source for their porn stuff.

Ron Bennett · 10-22-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

but probably most surfers don't even view it as pirating stuff, they just see it as either paying $30/month for one site, or $10/month for 20 sites, like you pointed out... they probably don't even realize that they are doing anything wrong...

I would hazard many do realize they're breaking the law, but justify it as ok for various reasons ... everyone else does it; it's already out there; it's just computer bits; website has ads on it; i already pay ISP fees; etc.

Furthermore, in the minds of most surfers, the perceived "value" of adult content, and likewise with most mainstream content, is virtually zero - it's just a commodity that's not overly unique and hence not worth paying much, if anything, for. Not saying that's necessarily true, but that's the perception by most.

Ultimately, it comes down to the bottom line ... download sites are far more cost effective for most people than separately joining numerous sites; not only in dollars and cents, but also in time and hassle - it's easier to join / cancel membership at one file sharing site verses dealing with lots of different adult sites directly.

Ron

Paul&John · 10-22-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Ultimately, it comes down to the bottom line ... download sites are far more cost effective for most people than separately joining numerous sites; not only in dollars and cents, but also in time and hassle - it's easier to join / cancel membership at one file sharing site verses dealing with lots of different adult sites directly.

And we haven't talked about card banging yet

Horny Dude · 10-22-2011, 10:20 AM

I remember back when everyone was crying cause Napster was giving all this free music away. Now Filesonic and all the other file sharing sites are even worse. you can find anything digital on there. Music, movies, games, you name it. Fuck Filestube will even search them all for you and give you the best links to what you are looking for. Its crazy how easy it is becoming. Before you had to be some what knowledgeable of where to look and how to get it, but today anyone can do it. Even if you go after one and get them shut down or all the links removed there is another one popping up behind it.

RycEric · 10-22-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Horny Dude

I remember back when everyone was crying cause Napster was giving all this free music away. Now Filesonic and all the other file sharing sites are even worse. you can find anything digital on there. Music, movies, games, you name it. Fuck Filestube will even search them all for you and give you the best links to what you are looking for. Its crazy how easy it is becoming. Before you had to be some what knowledgeable of where to look and how to get it, but today anyone can do it. Even if you go after one and get them shut down or all the links removed there is another one popping up behind it.

I remember the days of hooking up your phone line and dialing in to your local ansi wildcat bbs hangout, for a free scanned magazine pic, which took half an hour to download. Again.. it's like the war on drugs but these drugs are free and with no law enforcement support. That said, there are still many ways to mitigate but that costs money and times are tight right now.

mineistaken · 10-22-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

So they are just buying time - wow

JUST time? Time is one of the most expensive things on earth.

RegUser · 10-22-2011, 02:11 PM

I am afraid you guys still dont quite understand what this model is?
Simple
They are using hundreds of desperate unemplyed but educated losers from 3rd world countries to steal porn, upload it and distribute links on thousands of boards and blogs. The millions of users looking for free porn rush to these file uplaoding sites and even if 0.1% buy premium accounts, it is several thound a day for file sharing sites and less than $10 for losers who are rolling on the ground making "dollahs"
On top that there is the classic western countires business model-put the devil in the details aka terms and condtions. Means make huge banner ads promising $40/1000 downloads and then hide in TOS that it is upto $40 provided downloaders are all from US etc and on top that ratio of freeloaders to buyers should be blah blah
The end result out of 1000 who do the foot work, 800 quit or get nothinig in return.
But wait
There is more
a lot more
If you have a porn site you are required to keep 2257 records. No such conditions for file sharing sites. No need of speding money upfront for content/marketing and such.
And best of all.....no need to worry about payment processors. Adult is most hated by paypal and others but adult on file sharing site is the darling of all. No problems.
Just make $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Porn industry was first mauled by forums and then ravaged by tube sites. File sharing sites are the last nail in the coffin.
go to http://www.exbii.com/forumdisplay.php?f=67 and note the thread on top. Hit refrsh. That thread is now down 2/3 threads. Hit refresh again. The thread at top is ow at the bottom of page, all within 3 seconds telling you how many are happily posting like maniacs. All pirated stolen content of course which beats any paysite hoping for $35 sale

topnotch, standup guy · 10-22-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

Thieving scum and intelligence don't always go hand in hand

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porno jew · 10-22-2011, 02:18 PM

wow what a business model. wonder what industry veterans are behind that?

RycEric · 10-22-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

wow what a business model. wonder what industry veterans are behind that?

Exactly.

RegUser · 10-23-2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

wow what a business model. wonder what industry veterans are behind that?

probably someone who saw his content being pillaged all over the web, saw his billing processors go down one by one often running away with his money and got sick of finding new ones.
Hits a brilliant model that works great, rakes in cash in the thousands and yet people say porn does not sell anymore. It does but only if stolen

pornguy · 10-23-2011, 12:41 PM

Pay for something porn related on PayPal and watch the account get shitcanned in a few minutes.

Make or take a payment as a Pirate and Thumbs up to the world.

topnotch, standup guy · 10-23-2011, 12:54 PM

Wait, it get's even better.

If the Republicans capture the White House in 2012, honest webmasters will once again be harassed with 2257 inspections and bullshit "obscenity" prosecutions while the thieves get to enjoy their immunity from even that.

.

RegUser · 10-24-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Pay for something porn related on PayPal and watch the account get shitcanned in a few minutes.

Make or take a payment as a Pirate and Thumbs up to the world.

thats why all smart assses started their own filesharing sites while the assclowns keep on arguing that tubes are not killing industry

RegUser · 11-02-2011, 01:50 PM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1044164

bigluv · 11-02-2011, 01:59 PM

To be honest I would feel more comfortable giving my CC info to one of those cyber locker sites than I would to any porn site that could be bought by mediarevenue at any time.

Just Alex · 11-02-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

Filesonic has a huge share but not that much.. around 26%. Mainstream is different though and definitely not filesonic.

Oron is the one dominating adult file sharing. From what I hear, oron's owner bought a bunch of surfer forums and basically replaced all links with his.

RycEric · 11-02-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Oron is the one dominating adult file sharing. From what I hear, oron's owner bought a bunch of surfer forums and basically replaced all links with his.

3rd place from what I see here but yeah.. they are up there. Mainstream still dominated by megaupload.

Barefootsies · 11-02-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

Sadly, more often then not, they can get more content per dollar with the file sharing download deal than the original web site. People have been saying this for years anyway that many of the porn sites on the market have minimal content and do not update often, if ever. Leaving little incentive to rebill, and lots of risk in regards to card banging, and pre-checked cross sales.

It's not rocket science why their $20.00 is better spent on the downloader deal.

gideongallery · 11-02-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

the whole concept seems ridiculous, these surfers are willing to pay for some "premium membership" so they can download faster, but are not willing to buy the membership of the original site?

the file lockers haven't slamed the account with automatic checked cross sales yet

once they burned that bridge people will avoid paying them as well

of course i think they might be smarter about it.

fris · 11-03-2011, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Oron is the one dominating adult file sharing. From what I hear, oron's owner bought a bunch of surfer forums and basically replaced all links with his.

i know they bought pornbb.org

MakingItPay · 11-03-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Sadly, more often then not, they can get more content per dollar with the file sharing download deal than the original web site. People have been saying this for years anyway that many of the porn sites on the market have minimal content and do not update often, if ever. Leaving little incentive to rebill, and lots of risk in regards to card banging, and pre-checked cross sales.

It's not rocket science why their $20.00 is better spent on the downloader deal.

It's better all around. The lockers don't have to keep records, or pay models, or edit video, or watermark, so their costs are very low. Luckily they have Paypal and others to help them in their criminal enterprise. Sure wish Xbiz would do a story about the mainstream anti adult companies that are raking in cash from piracy of adult material.

RegUser · 11-03-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Sadly, more often then not, they can get more content per dollar with the file sharing download deal than the original web site. People have been saying this for years anyway that many of the porn sites on the market have minimal content and do not update often, if ever. Leaving little incentive to rebill, and lots of risk in regards to card banging, and pre-checked cross sales.

It's not rocket science why their $20.00 is better spent on the downloader deal.

So can we start file sharing websites on your servers bro? Let the good times roll.

Barefootsies · 11-03-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

It's better all around. The lockers don't have to keep records, or pay models, or edit video, or watermark, so their costs are very low. Luckily they have Paypal and others to help them in their criminal enterprise. Sure wish Xbiz would do a story about the mainstream anti adult companies that are raking in cash from piracy of adult material.

The Paypal connection is what is the most amazing. They terminate you for using PP for porn transactions in a New York minute. But RapidShare, and alike, had been using PP for years as their primary processor. It's really amazing to say the least what is, and is not, allowed to be processed.

10-21-2011, 11:49 AM	#1
ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,849	What is the filesonic business model? I see no ads on the download page, which is what all the content theft forums link to. Does anyone have an inkling of why they'd get sign-ups? It isn't quality, since the content is the same.

10-21-2011, 11:50 AM	#2
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10-22-2011, 10:20 AM	#20
Horny Dude Earn enough to buy coffee Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 4,912	I remember back when everyone was crying cause Napster was giving all this free music away. Now Filesonic and all the other file sharing sites are even worse. you can find anything digital on there. Music, movies, games, you name it. Fuck Filestube will even search them all for you and give you the best links to what you are looking for. Its crazy how easy it is becoming. Before you had to be some what knowledgeable of where to look and how to get it, but today anyone can do it. Even if you go after one and get them shut down or all the links removed there is another one popping up behind it. __________________

10-22-2011, 07:38 AM	#6
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	Wupload is the new filesharer of choice.

10-22-2011, 02:11 PM	#23
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	You still dont get it I am afraid you guys still dont quite understand what this model is? Simple They are using hundreds of desperate unemplyed but educated losers from 3rd world countries to steal porn, upload it and distribute links on thousands of boards and blogs. The millions of users looking for free porn rush to these file uplaoding sites and even if 0.1% buy premium accounts, it is several thound a day for file sharing sites and less than $10 for losers who are rolling on the ground making "dollahs" On top that there is the classic western countires business model-put the devil in the details aka terms and condtions. Means make huge banner ads promising $40/1000 downloads and then hide in TOS that it is upto $40 provided downloaders are all from US etc and on top that ratio of freeloaders to buyers should be blah blah The end result out of 1000 who do the foot work, 800 quit or get nothinig in return. But wait There is more a lot more If you have a porn site you are required to keep 2257 records. No such conditions for file sharing sites. No need of speding money upfront for content/marketing and such. And best of all.....no need to worry about payment processors. Adult is most hated by paypal and others but adult on file sharing site is the darling of all. No problems. Just make $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Porn industry was first mauled by forums and then ravaged by tube sites. File sharing sites are the last nail in the coffin. go to http://www.exbii.com/forumdisplay.php?f=67 and note the thread on top. Hit refrsh. That thread is now down 2/3 threads. Hit refresh again. The thread at top is ow at the bottom of page, all within 3 seconds telling you how many are happily posting like maniacs. All pirated stolen content of course which beats any paysite hoping for $35 sale

10-22-2011, 02:18 PM	#25
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	wow what a business model. wonder what industry veterans are behind that?

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10-23-2011, 12:54 PM	#29
topnotch, standup guy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Here and there. Posts: 1,562	Wait, it get's even better. If the Republicans capture the White House in 2012, honest webmasters will once again be harassed with 2257 inspections and bullshit "obscenity" prosecutions while the thieves get to enjoy their immunity from even that. . __________________ A hard dick has no conscience.

11-02-2011, 01:50 PM	#31
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11-02-2011, 01:59 PM	#32
bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	To be honest I would feel more comfortable giving my CC info to one of those cyber locker sites than I would to any porn site that could be bought by mediarevenue at any time.