Refund and Charback at ccbill - GoFuckYourself.com

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 09:24 AM

Today, i saw 2 new refound at ccbill.
I had already 2 chargebacks for the same transaction...

Problem: there is only 3 transactions, so there is something wrong, somewhere ...

me ?

2011-08-24 08:29:48 Recurring
2011-09-23 00:00:00 Rebill
2011-10-23 00:00:00 Rebill

2011-11-10 00:36:13 Chargeback
2011-11-10 00:36:30 Chargeback

2011-11-01 13:56:50 Refund
2011-11-01 13:57:07 Refund

2+2=4
3 is not 4
and the first transaction is probably too old to refund...

Chosen · 11-10-2011, 09:32 AM

Have you tried to ask CCBill?

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 09:36 AM

ccbill is not online now.
I asked them about the refunds.

I had these refunds, then nearly no sales during a week... with 2000 hits per days...
Right now, with these cancelations, i make $50 with 19000 hits...

I asked to my sponsor and they asked me to mail them because for the moment, they don't understand what i mean...

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 09:40 AM

Also if a transaction is too old to be canceled i wonder who has to pay...
the affiliate ?

CCBILL_James · 11-10-2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

Today, i saw 2 new refound at ccbill.
I had already 2 chargebacks for the same transaction...

Problem: there is only 3 transactions, so there is something wrong, somewhere ...

me ?

2011-08-24 08:29:48 Recurring
2011-09-23 00:00:00 Rebill
2011-10-23 00:00:00 Rebill

2011-11-10 00:36:13 Chargeback
2011-11-10 00:36:30 Chargeback

2011-11-01 13:56:50 Refund
2011-11-01 13:57:07 Refund

2+2=4
3 is not 4
and the first transaction is probably too old to refund...

Morning Pornmasta,

I would be happy to look into this for you, please hit me up. We are available 24/7 and can always be reached at the following number 1.800.510.2859 and email [email protected]

Jack Sparrow · 11-10-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

ccbill is not online now.
I asked them about the refunds.

I had these refunds, then nearly no sales during a week... with 2000 hits per days...
Right now, with these cancelations, i make $50 with 19000 hits...

I asked to my sponsor and they asked me to mail them because for the moment, they don't understand what i mean...

Ccbill is always online.

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Ccbill is always online.

i mean the guy i have on my icq list

(it is ccbill james)

iSpyCams · 11-10-2011, 10:51 AM

If a customer requests and receives a refund, and at the same time charges back via the bank it is possible for his transaction to be credited twice.

This is why you should never refund someone who is already in contact with their bank disputing the transaction. Sometimes, depending on the financial institutions involved you can retrieve the chargeback funds after proving you already issued a refund, assuming not much time has passed.

Sometimes chargeback transactions take time to show up in the system, so it is possible to refund a customer who has already charged back and you just don't know it yet.

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 11:11 AM

i'm waiting for ccbill's answer...
but i'm not responsible for these refunds and chargebacks, so i don't know why i should pay twice...

TeenCat · 11-10-2011, 11:18 AM

it is because of your sig

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 11:37 AM

more than 1 hour later... still no answer on icq while someone is supposed to be online...

CCBILL_James · 11-10-2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

more than 1 hour later... still no answer on icq while someone is supposed to be online...

Hi Pornmasta,

What ICQ number are you showing in your contact list? I'm currently showing it's been active and available since I arrived this morning at 6am phx time, and I want to make sure you have our correct contact info. In case there are any issues with ICQ I'm also in the office at this time if you would like to call 1.800.510.2859.

pornmasta · 11-10-2011, 11:59 AM

so i read on icq that i have to pay... for something that i don't handle... grrr

pornmasta · 12-15-2011, 06:26 AM

So today, a new chargeback for the same transaction (same transaction id).

Easy way to make money...
refund and chargeback in the same time...

lagcam · 12-15-2011, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

If a customer requests and receives a refund, and at the same time charges back via the bank it is possible for his transaction to be credited twice.

This is why you should never refund someone who is already in contact with their bank disputing the transaction. Sometimes, depending on the financial institutions involved you can retrieve the chargeback funds after proving you already issued a refund, assuming not much time has passed.

Sometimes chargeback transactions take time to show up in the system, so it is possible to refund a customer who has already charged back and you just don't know it yet.

This is correct which is why you should never really refund a transaction that is over 8 hours old as this is normally the only safe time. If ccbill refunded outside of this window then they should explain themselves. They know as well as anybody what can happen, but don't hold your breath for an explanation other than the polite form of "shit happens".

When this happened to me, I told them to explain to the customer's bank/card issuer that a refund had already been issued and to ask for one of the amounts back to clear the accounting, but they said they couldn't do that.

bean-aid · 12-15-2011, 06:44 AM

CCBill can blacklist the guys email so he can't sign up for any CCBill sites.

People are fierce with their money. They think since they pay for internet, why should they pay for a website. Or their drunk when they signed up and convince themselves the page they entered CC info was misleading and they did not think they would get charged.

So they wake up, run to their computer, check their bank statement and see the charge. Most likely they spend all day calling the bank, going to the bank, and demanding a charge back for fraudulent transaction.

In addition, they call CCBill and demand a refund while yelling at the rep.

That's just how people are.

bean-aid · 12-15-2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

2011-08-24 08:29:48 Recurring
2011-09-23 00:00:00 Rebill
2011-10-23 00:00:00 Rebill

So in your case guy didn't realize it was recurring charge so calls the bank, yells at CCBill rep, etc.

Happens all the time unfortunately.

journalism · 12-15-2011, 07:12 AM

Thats life so just move on!

BIGTYMER · 12-15-2011, 07:18 AM

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Bladewire · 12-15-2011, 08:04 AM

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ArsewithClass · 12-15-2011, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

If a customer requests and receives a refund, and at the same time charges back via the bank it is possible for his transaction to be credited twice.

Sometimes chargeback transactions take time to show up in the system, so it is possible to refund a customer who has already charged back and you just don't know it yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

So today, a new chargeback for the same transaction (same transaction id).

Easy way to make money...
refund and chargeback in the same time...

Wow, this is new to me & a very risky situation... Damn thieving arseholes

Pornmasta, you getting some money back into your account from the chargeback?

pornmasta · 12-15-2011, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Pornmasta, you getting some money back into your account from the chargeback?

no, i am an affiliate, for the moment i lost $44, but i'm waiting for the last refund

11-10-2011, 09:24 AM	#1
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	Refund and Charback at ccbill Today, i saw 2 new refound at ccbill. I had already 2 chargebacks for the same transaction... Problem: there is only 3 transactions, so there is something wrong, somewhere ... me ? 2011-08-24 08:29:48 Recurring 2011-09-23 00:00:00 Rebill 2011-10-23 00:00:00 Rebill 2011-11-10 00:36:13 Chargeback 2011-11-10 00:36:30 Chargeback 2011-11-01 13:56:50 Refund 2011-11-01 13:57:07 Refund 2+2=4 3 is not 4 and the first transaction is probably too old to refund... Last edited by pornmasta; 11-10-2011 at 09:26 AM..

11-10-2011, 09:36 AM	#3
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	ccbill is not online now. I asked them about the refunds. I had these refunds, then nearly no sales during a week... with 2000 hits per days... Right now, with these cancelations, i make $50 with 19000 hits... I asked to my sponsor and they asked me to mail them because for the moment, they don't understand what i mean... Last edited by pornmasta; 11-10-2011 at 09:37 AM..

11-10-2011, 11:18 AM	#10
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11-10-2011, 09:32 AM	#2
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	Have you tried to ask CCBill?

11-10-2011, 09:40 AM	#4
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	Also if a transaction is too old to be canceled i wonder who has to pay... the affiliate ?

11-10-2011, 10:51 AM	#8
iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	If a customer requests and receives a refund, and at the same time charges back via the bank it is possible for his transaction to be credited twice. This is why you should never refund someone who is already in contact with their bank disputing the transaction. Sometimes, depending on the financial institutions involved you can retrieve the chargeback funds after proving you already issued a refund, assuming not much time has passed. Sometimes chargeback transactions take time to show up in the system, so it is possible to refund a customer who has already charged back and you just don't know it yet.

11-10-2011, 11:11 AM	#9
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	i'm waiting for ccbill's answer... but i'm not responsible for these refunds and chargebacks, so i don't know why i should pay twice...

11-10-2011, 11:37 AM	#11
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	more than 1 hour later... still no answer on icq while someone is supposed to be online...

11-10-2011, 11:59 AM	#13
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	so i read on icq that i have to pay... for something that i don't handle... grrr

12-15-2011, 06:26 AM	#14
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,161	So today, a new chargeback for the same transaction (same transaction id). Easy way to make money... refund and chargeback in the same time...

12-15-2011, 06:44 AM	#16
bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	CCBill can blacklist the guys email so he can't sign up for any CCBill sites. People are fierce with their money. They think since they pay for internet, why should they pay for a website. Or their drunk when they signed up and convince themselves the page they entered CC info was misleading and they did not think they would get charged. So they wake up, run to their computer, check their bank statement and see the charge. Most likely they spend all day calling the bank, going to the bank, and demanding a charge back for fraudulent transaction. In addition, they call CCBill and demand a refund while yelling at the rep. That's just how people are.

12-15-2011, 07:12 AM	#18
journalism Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: I travel a lot, but I am originally from Bali, Indonesia Posts: 395	Thats life so just move on!

12-15-2011, 07:18 AM	#19
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	Hanging out with SwirlsGirl is rubbing off on you beaner.