To make money in porn. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 07:37 AM

Find something that you can do, which hasn't been done to death and can't be copied by 100s of other people.

Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market.

Make it personal and as if it's a piece of you.

Give it a unique twist.

Things you can't do well, find people who can.

Set out a business plan and strategy with targets.

Then be ready to work very hard and lose money for 6 months.

There are no short cuts to success that really work. Hard work is the least important, having a great idea and the talent to do it are what really counts.

CurrentlySober · 07-20-2012, 07:38 AM

i cant afford to make money in porn...

DVTimes · 07-20-2012, 07:38 AM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1075166

Barefootsies · 07-20-2012, 07:44 AM

I typically do not mind Paul. However, I also make it a point to not get sucked into his banter.

This thread however, looks like two broken records, Markham and DVTimes, seeking attention.

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 07:58 AM

Don't "Find what works and rinse and repeat".

If you don't have a very good idea of what works, educate yourself. While you rinse and repeat, the market is leaving you behind or copying you. Always be building and adapting.

As Adam says most porn is free. So find a way to present your porn in a unique way that creates the impulse to buy.

Treat customers with respect or they won't respect you or your product.

Barefootsies · 07-20-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Treat customers with respect or they won't respect you or your product.

You build a "better mousetrap", provide a value, and develop some interaction with your members.

It's not rocket science.

CurrentlySober · 07-20-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Markham and DVTimes, seeking attention.

I want attention as well !

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1075321

Sly · 07-20-2012, 08:04 AM

Barefootsies · 07-20-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

nico-t · 07-20-2012, 08:19 AM

Thank you for this cookie cutter advise, Paul. Anyone could've said it better.

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You build a "better mousetrap", provide a value, and develop some interaction with your members.

It's not rocket science.

Sadly today for most people it might as well be rocket science. I can see by the abuse, a real lack of intelligent debate. Abuse is for them their retreat.

I was thinking about what Jeff had posted and many more. About working hard and clever, 8 hours etc. Hard work is what labourers do and it doesn't make them rich.

Work clever only applies, if you know what to be clever about.

Telling people to build a better mousetrap is not any help if they don't have a clue what it is or how to find out about it. See this for some clues. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19070507&postcount=1

Barefootsies · 07-20-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sadly today for most people it might as well be rocket science. I can see by the abuse, a real lack of intelligent debate. Abuse is for them their retreat.

I was thinking about what Jeff had posted and many more. About working hard and clever, 8 hours etc. Hard work is what labourers do and it doesn't make them rich.

Work clever only applies, if you know what to be clever about.

Telling people to build a better mousetrap is not any help if they don't have a clue what it is or how to find out about it. See this for some clues. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19070507&postcount=1

Sorry buckaroo. No one is going to give you the blueprint, hold your hand, and wipe your ass.

People have pointed you in the right direction, if you can't take it from there, you do not deserve to be in business. If people need someone to give them the blueprint, explain every little detail, to the point of developing direct competitors, you're helpless.

At that point, you (in general terms, not you specifically) need someone to help wipe your ass, and deserve to die out (like many of the 2001 guys have done) or be forced back to the fry-o-later and paper hat where you belong.

Your business model was a fluke, and based on good internet bubble timing, nothing more.

ING82 · 07-20-2012, 09:07 AM

Translation: To make money in porn you have to have money first.

OldJeff · 07-20-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Find something that you can do, which hasn't been done to death and can't be copied by 100s of other people.

Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market.

Make it personal and as if it's a piece of you.

Give it a unique twist.

Things you can't do well, find people who can.

Set out a business plan and strategy with targets.

Then be ready to work very hard and lose money for 6 months.

There are no short cuts to success that really work. Hard work is the least important, having a great idea and the talent to do it are what really counts.

This is the best post I can remember seeing from you Paul.

I agree 100%, sit down, build a plan, LIVE it.

2012 · 07-20-2012, 09:19 AM

all you need is a cup to catch the drool when you've over medicated yourself and a computer ... PROFIT.

notjoe · 07-20-2012, 09:26 AM

To make money in porn your name cannot be Paul Markham

JFK · 07-20-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

To make money in porn your name cannot be Paul Markham

OUCH

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Sorry buckaroo. No one is going to give you the blueprint, hold your hand, and wipe your ass.

People have pointed you in the right direction, if you can't take it from there, you do not deserve to be in business. If people need someone to give them the blueprint, explain every little detail, to the point of developing direct competitors, you're helpless.

At that point, you (in general terms, not you specifically) need someone to help wipe your ass, and deserve to die out (like many of the 2001 guys have done) or be forced back to the fry-o-later and paper hat where you belong.

Your business model was a fluke, and based on good internet bubble timing, nothing more.

So long as you don't mean me specifically I agree with you. Those who do give people a blueprint are total idiots. Because the only blueprint they can give them is the one they use and that can lead to competition. Like telling everyone C4S and foot fetish clips is the way to make money.

I could teach people to shoot, but that wasn't what we did that made us successful and I'll bet no one here will ever get it. So they can carry on the abuse.

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Originally Posted by notjoe

To make money in porn your name cannot be Paul Markham

Yes Mr nobody with nothing to show. Tell us how much you made and give us some proof.

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 02:40 PM

The "Build a better Mousetrap" system, only works if you know what a mouse is, how a trap works and have the skills to build it. Otherwise you're still fucked.

theking · 07-20-2012, 03:54 PM

Stupid is as stupid does...now isn't it clueless?

ShoeBox · 07-20-2012, 04:03 PM

i'm not stupid enough to take pauls advice

Colmike9 · 07-20-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoeBox

i'm not stupid enough to take pauls advice

I do nothing but long hour grunt work and make around $90/hr now (Not salary but EVERY hour that I work..)

That kinda goes against what he said:

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was thinking about what Jeff had posted and many more. About working hard and clever, 8 hours etc. Hard work is what labourers do and it doesn't make them rich.

Sly · 07-20-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I do nothing but long hour grunt work and make around $90/hr now (Not salary but EVERY hour that I work..)

That kinda goes against what he said:

I read what he wrote and thought to myself "I don't know any successful person that hasn't worked both hard and smart."

You have to do both.

Colmike9 · 07-20-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I read what he wrote and thought to myself "I don't know any successful person that hasn't worked both hard and smart."

You have to do both.

What if you just naturally work smart?..

But you can still make decent money with grinding alone..

garce · 07-20-2012, 07:26 PM

I don't even know what that is.

Paul Markham · 07-20-2012, 11:16 PM

Find something that you can do, which hasn't been done to death and can't be copied by 100s of other people.

Product is everything. It's too easy to dismiss a bad ratio as bad traffic. A good product has a habit of attracting better traffic. Go figure.

This is the toughest part, until sex changes it's always going to be the same. so the way it's presented makes presentation the key. Still this has been thoroughly explored and it's a good bet that if it's still around it worked, if it's not, it didn't work. Yes simple logic, wait a while.

Let's use "Sex in a Vehicle" done to death and been done for well over 20 years. So take the basic theme and adapt it. Normal girls in 2012 don't get into a van with 4 guys and fuck them. Drunken girls might, students hard up for their rent this week might turn tricks as a part time job. Hookers will. Use that as the reason for her to get into the van. Or better still a camper van.

Don't shoot it Gonzo or POV, done to death. Shoot it as a normal scene with the camera observing the action. Or as Voyeur with Hidden Cameras. Tell the viewers they are hidden and show how, or make out they are phones with good cameras. In reality use real cameras bolted to the sides of the van and shooting from different angles.

Most important is to make it believable. This is 2012 and the customer will not swallow 1998 content, even if it is HD. It has to be better to sell.

There are many ways to give an old theme a unique twist. Remember though that giving 100 scenes the exact unique twist becomes boring.

nico-t · 07-21-2012, 04:39 AM

jesus christ Paul, could you shut the fuck up? Please?

Paul Markham · 07-21-2012, 10:11 AM

nico-t This user is on your Ignore List.

peterk · 07-21-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Find something that you can do, which hasn't been done to death and can't be copied by 100s of other people.

Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market.

Make it personal and as if it's a piece of you.

Give it a unique twist.

Things you can't do well, find people who can.

Set out a business plan and strategy with targets.

Then be ready to work very hard and lose money for 6 months.

There are no short cuts to success that really work. Hard work is the least important, having a great idea and the talent to do it are what really counts.

can you do this to show us how it is done instead of just telling us ?

VenusBlogger · 07-21-2012, 04:00 PM

To make money with PORN if you are an AFFILIATE (not sponsor owner or owner of a MASSIVE SITE):

Honest way: Promote unique FETISH paysites and sell memberships. Build long term Revshare TRUST with the client, get RECURRING 1000 members.

SCAM and SPAM WAY of ILLEGAL SUCKERS: SELL CAMS or DATING via e-whoring, via fake profiles in facebook or Craig-List, etc... create FAKE profiles in MATCH and after working and teasing the guy via MSN with FAKE RECORDED CAM LOOPS you get on MTREE with a screen RECORDER, then tell the guy that you only do nudes on MTREE, and he will bite. I personally would never fall in this and I HATE THIS PRACTICE, its only for illegal SPAM FUCKERS with WHITE-LABELS and cam domains.

And there are so many other ways... ILLEGAL is easy to fall in. Problem is doing it LEGALLY and working hard.

PIRIOD.

peterk · 07-21-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Honest way: Promote unique FETISH paysites and sell memberships. Build long term Revshare TRUST with the client, get RECURRING 1000 members.
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promote how? you didn't mention how to promote honest way? i would like to hear suggestions.

peterk · 07-21-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

create FAKE profiles in MATCH and after working and teasing the guy via MSN with FAKE RECORDED CAM LOOPS you get on MTREE with a screen RECORDER, then tell the guy that you only do nudes on MTREE, and he will bite.

PIRIOD.

does that really work ?

r00bz · 07-21-2012, 06:36 PM

nice post, good steps

Colmike9 · 07-21-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by peterk

does that really work ?

If you do shady bs like that, it will work but chances are that it will piss off some random guy that will report your affiliate ID to the affiliate program, then you won't get paid..

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by peterk

can you do this to show us how it is done instead of just telling us ?

Here's a clue.

Did it for years and these are all recent covers. Eva saved them. Until 1997 I was producing videos in the UK I sold direct to consumers via mail order, one of the few people doing it in the UK.

Made enough to site back and do nothing now. Retired and no need to work.

Now can you figure out why others didn't do what we did. Can you even figure out what I did that made us successful?

To the others, sorry for being an arrogant prick, but peterk needs knocking down.

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Originally Posted by peterk

promote how? you didn't mention how to promote honest way? i would like to hear suggestions.

Another tip, don't share knowledge with others who will copy and dilute your income. Until retired. LOL

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by r00bz

nice post, good steps

Thank you, will post more later.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 01:53 AM

Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market.

This is often the most difficult for most in online porn. The problem ranges from a complete detachment to the customer and a lack of understand to why they buy. To disrespecting them and the product. Not good if you plan to sell to them. Empathy is the biggest tool in selling.

So go learn why they buy, what they buy and why they buy that product. Adjusting a good strategy to a great one is easy if you have this knowledge. It's very hard to get to your destination if you're groping around in the dark.

Look at people who are a success and figure out why. Examine their methods, product and learn what set them apart. For some sites it's simply their size and ability to drop millions of cheap uniques on their samples, size and traffic is their key to success. With others it's clearly their product and the way they present it, that turns a surfer to a customer. Educating oneself on why it works save you testing and testing again to get to the right place.

Then take what you have learned and improve on it. If you're a sponsor people will only send you traffic if the site converts it, if you're an affiliate you will only make money if your traffic is converted at the very best ratios. Traffic isn't king. Conversions ($$$) are.

Cherry7 · 07-22-2012, 02:42 AM

Made enough to site back and do nothing now. Retired and no need to work.

You mean by "do nothing" posting garbage on multiple forums non stop.

Even if you were a success you certainly failed at having a life.

peterk · 07-22-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Here's a clue.

Did it for years and these are all recent covers. Eva saved them. Until 1997 I was producing videos in the UK I sold direct to consumers via mail order, one of the few people doing it in the UK.

Made enough to site back and do nothing now. Retired and no need to work.

Now can you figure out why others didn't do what we did. Can you even figure out what I did that made us successful?

To the others, sorry for being an arrogant prick, but peterk needs knocking down.

Another tip, don't share knowledge with others who will copy and dilute your income. Until retired. LOL

thank you for the tip. i understand now. take pictures of ugly teens and live off of social security when i get older. thank you for your advice.

is this another tip from you?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it will be on www.astral-blue.com

As I said on a shitty old lap top and the main work will start when the server and my computer are back.

This is how I plan to do it.

Blogs, will start a few. I know some keywords already I want to home in on. Trying to find a good SE term tool. Have found it, need to pay for it now. So will do.

Links from other similar sites to Astral Blue, so if you've a site with retro or UK content hit me up.

And might even submit to a few Tubes.

I have to do this to prove to myself and the idiots the old man isn't a complete fool. Again like the shoot for Manwin this is more about me proving to myself rather than the trolls.

Colmike9 · 07-22-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by peterk

is this another tip from you?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it will be on www.astral-blue.com

As I said on a shitty old lap top and the main work will start when the server and my computer are back.

This is how I plan to do it.

Blogs, will start a few. I know some keywords already I want to home in on. Trying to find a good SE term tool. Have found it, need to pay for it now. So will do.

Links from other similar sites to Astral Blue, so if you've a site with retro or UK content hit me up.

And might even submit to a few Tubes.

I have to do this to prove to myself and the idiots the old man isn't a complete fool. Again like the shoot for Manwin this is more about me proving to myself rather than the trolls.

How is that working out, Paul?

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by peterk

thank you for the tip. i understand now. take pictures of ugly teens and live off of social security when i get older. thank you for your advice.

Believe that if it makes you feel happy.

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is this another tip from you?

Didn't need to and didn't bother. Does that sound logical to you for a man living off social security?

Now what exactly do you do and who are you?

peterk · 07-22-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Believe that if it makes you feel happy.

Didn't need to and didn't bother. Does that sound logical to you for a man living off social security?

Now what exactly do you do and who are you?

but weren't you on here begging for money because you needed to make $3,000 a month? for someone who makes a lot of posts proclaiming to have all of the answers you sure have very little to show for it after working for 50 years. if not for your social security you would be homeless. how is selling your life's work of content for a couple bucks working out for you? are you doing that better than everyone else ?

peterk · 07-22-2012, 03:18 PM

oh and since you are an obvious troll, i added you.

Paul Markham This user is on your Ignore List.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by peterk

but weren't you on here begging for money because you needed to make $3,000 a month? for someone who makes a lot of posts proclaiming to have all of the answers you sure have very little to show for it after working for 50 years. if not for your social security you would be homeless. how is selling your life's work of content for a couple bucks working out for you? are you doing that better than everyone else ?

Better than all the other shooter who did custom and have nothing to sell.

this guy sounds a bit like Damian, clutching straws to prove his theories.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2012, 11:24 PM

Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market.

So more on this from an affiliates POV.

Some say promoting micro niche sites is the key to success today and for some it seems to work. Here's some tips on making it work.

Micro niche buyers have often been into their fetish for a long time and been on some of the best sites. And on sites that were thrown together by people who simply don't understand the niche. So look at a sites tour very intensely to see if the site is worth the money. So getting the content right when giving out samples and on a tour is essential to a successful conversion ratio.

For someone not into the niche, and people are very often only into one, it's hard to tell what works and doesn't work. Here's a few instances to show how knowledge helps.

Leg and foot fetish is best shot from the ground or lower than the waist. It's where the foot devotee wants to be worshipping, or attending to his desires. The woman's feet and legs. Silk stockings are often a big winner in this niche. Often this niche is about the male being subservient to the female. The shape of the foot and leg make a huge difference to a sale or no sale.

Big Tits fetish is best shot from below the breasts, hanging down a little. As if they were dropping into the face of the guy who wants nothing more than the huge mammaries to drop into him.

For devotees of these two niches, the pussy is incidental. There are other twists to these micro niches. My point is to shoot them in the same way as teens, or glamour is going to have an adverse effect on your ratios.

Knowing these points about what ever micro niche you promote is going to help you find the best sites to promote quicker than trying one and seeing how it works. It will help you when writing text, selecting samples to attract attention from surfers.

Slightly better than the try it and test the results.

BAKO · 07-22-2012, 11:37 PM

Pm ####approved

peterk · 07-22-2012, 11:54 PM

Paul Markham This user is on your Ignore List.

Colmike9 · 07-23-2012, 12:04 AM

DamianJ · 07-23-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Now can you figure out why others didn't do what we did. Can you even figure out what I did that made us successful?

Wasn't it that you were breaking the law?

I guess not everyone wants to be illegal to make money.

Well done for being a criminal and making money and boasting about it!

Paul Markham · 07-23-2012, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Wasn't it that you were breaking the law?

I guess not everyone wants to be illegal to make money.

Well done for being a criminal and making money and boasting about it!

Yes I had the balls to do that, it was easier then because of less competition. Even so selling to magazines was legal, selling videos abroad was legal and both these sectors needed a higher level than online.

12 or more years ago it was very easy to get online and sell to surfers. Even though ratios were poor the abundance of surfers made it look good. Many died off and went back to day jobs. Those who survived learned a lot, yet the content was secondary to driving traffic. Today getting huge numbers of surfers to a free site is easy for most. Getting one of them to buy something is very hard.

And that's what this thread is about. As you know nothing about this subject, because you're unable to even advise them on good pictures to use. I advise you to run along now.

07-20-2012, 07:37 AM	#1
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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Don't "Find what works and rinse and repeat". If you don't have a very good idea of what works, educate yourself. While you rinse and repeat, the market is leaving you behind or copying you. Always be building and adapting. As Adam says most porn is free. So find a way to present your porn in a unique way that creates the impulse to buy. Treat customers with respect or they won't respect you or your product. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	Thank you for this cookie cutter advise, Paul. Anyone could've said it better.

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The "Build a better Mousetrap" system, only works if you know what a mouse is, how a trap works and have the skills to build it. Otherwise you're still fucked. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Find something that you can do, which hasn't been done to death and can't be copied by 100s of other people. Product is everything. It's too easy to dismiss a bad ratio as bad traffic. A good product has a habit of attracting better traffic. Go figure. This is the toughest part, until sex changes it's always going to be the same. so the way it's presented makes presentation the key. Still this has been thoroughly explored and it's a good bet that if it's still around it worked, if it's not, it didn't work. Yes simple logic, wait a while. Let's use "Sex in a Vehicle" done to death and been done for well over 20 years. So take the basic theme and adapt it. Normal girls in 2012 don't get into a van with 4 guys and fuck them. Drunken girls might, students hard up for their rent this week might turn tricks as a part time job. Hookers will. Use that as the reason for her to get into the van. Or better still a camper van. Don't shoot it Gonzo or POV, done to death. Shoot it as a normal scene with the camera observing the action. Or as Voyeur with Hidden Cameras. Tell the viewers they are hidden and show how, or make out they are phones with good cameras. In reality use real cameras bolted to the sides of the van and shooting from different angles. Most important is to make it believable. This is 2012 and the customer will not swallow 1998 content, even if it is HD. It has to be better to sell. There are many ways to give an old theme a unique twist. Remember though that giving 100 scenes the exact unique twist becomes boring. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	jesus christ Paul, could you shut the fuck up? Please?

07-21-2012, 10:11 AM	#28
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	nico-t This user is on your Ignore List. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-21-2012, 04:00 PM	#30
VenusBlogger So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,540	To make money with PORN if you are an AFFILIATE (not sponsor owner or owner of a MASSIVE SITE): Honest way: Promote unique FETISH paysites and sell memberships. Build long term Revshare TRUST with the client, get RECURRING 1000 members. SCAM and SPAM WAY of ILLEGAL SUCKERS: SELL CAMS or DATING via e-whoring, via fake profiles in facebook or Craig-List, etc... create FAKE profiles in MATCH and after working and teasing the guy via MSN with FAKE RECORDED CAM LOOPS you get on MTREE with a screen RECORDER, then tell the guy that you only do nudes on MTREE, and he will bite. I personally would never fall in this and I HATE THIS PRACTICE, its only for illegal SPAM FUCKERS with WHITE-LABELS and cam domains. And there are so many other ways... ILLEGAL is easy to fall in. Problem is doing it LEGALLY and working hard. PIRIOD. Last edited by VenusBlogger; 07-21-2012 at 04:06 PM..

07-21-2012, 06:36 PM	#33
r00bz Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 85	nice post, good steps __________________ PROMOTE your adult website at http://fumbleuporn.com and get FREE TRAFFIC right NOW Twitter: @fumbleuporn FB Page: www.fb.com/pages/FumbleUPorn/448992625146044 Website: fumbleuporn.com

07-22-2012, 01:53 AM	#37
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market. This is often the most difficult for most in online porn. The problem ranges from a complete detachment to the customer and a lack of understand to why they buy. To disrespecting them and the product. Not good if you plan to sell to them. Empathy is the biggest tool in selling. So go learn why they buy, what they buy and why they buy that product. Adjusting a good strategy to a great one is easy if you have this knowledge. It's very hard to get to your destination if you're groping around in the dark. Look at people who are a success and figure out why. Examine their methods, product and learn what set them apart. For some sites it's simply their size and ability to drop millions of cheap uniques on their samples, size and traffic is their key to success. With others it's clearly their product and the way they present it, that turns a surfer to a customer. Educating oneself on why it works save you testing and testing again to get to the right place. Then take what you have learned and improve on it. If you're a sponsor people will only send you traffic if the site converts it, if you're an affiliate you will only make money if your traffic is converted at the very best ratios. Traffic isn't king. Conversions ($$$) are. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-22-2012, 02:42 AM	#38
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Made enough to site back and do nothing now. Retired and no need to work. You mean by "do nothing" posting garbage on multiple forums non stop. Even if you were a success you certainly failed at having a life. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

07-22-2012, 03:18 PM	#43
peterk Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,529	oh and since you are an obvious troll, i added you. Paul Markham This user is on your Ignore List.

07-22-2012, 11:24 PM	#45
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Research it until you know it better or as well as your target market. So more on this from an affiliates POV. Some say promoting micro niche sites is the key to success today and for some it seems to work. Here's some tips on making it work. Micro niche buyers have often been into their fetish for a long time and been on some of the best sites. And on sites that were thrown together by people who simply don't understand the niche. So look at a sites tour very intensely to see if the site is worth the money. So getting the content right when giving out samples and on a tour is essential to a successful conversion ratio. For someone not into the niche, and people are very often only into one, it's hard to tell what works and doesn't work. Here's a few instances to show how knowledge helps. Leg and foot fetish is best shot from the ground or lower than the waist. It's where the foot devotee wants to be worshipping, or attending to his desires. The woman's feet and legs. Silk stockings are often a big winner in this niche. Often this niche is about the male being subservient to the female. The shape of the foot and leg make a huge difference to a sale or no sale. Big Tits fetish is best shot from below the breasts, hanging down a little. As if they were dropping into the face of the guy who wants nothing more than the huge mammaries to drop into him. For devotees of these two niches, the pussy is incidental. There are other twists to these micro niches. My point is to shoot them in the same way as teens, or glamour is going to have an adverse effect on your ratios. Knowing these points about what ever micro niche you promote is going to help you find the best sites to promote quicker than trying one and seeing how it works. It will help you when writing text, selecting samples to attract attention from surfers. Slightly better than the try it and test the results. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-22-2012, 11:37 PM	#46
BAKO Etology.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hollywood CA Posts: 18,386	Pm ####approved __________________ http://DatingNetwork.com Telegram: @bakokaye

07-22-2012, 11:54 PM	#47
peterk Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,529	Paul Markham This user is on your Ignore List. __________________ Bogat mama ala cu loturi de trafic

07-23-2012, 12:04 AM	#48
Colmike9 (>^_^)b Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7,223	__________________ Join the BEST cam affiliate program on the internet! I've referred over $1.7mil in spending this past year, you should join in. I make a lot more money in the medical field in a lab now, fuck you guys. Don't ask me to come back, but do join Chaturbate in my sig, it still makes bank without me touching shit for years..