Why do programs go out of business? - GoFuckYourself.com

London Banker · 08-18-2012, 09:53 PM

They aren't making any money now?

A few years ago you could see a new company spring up on a daily basis.

VenusBlogger · 08-18-2012, 10:04 PM

Some samples:

DeluxePass from Clement: Sales went DRAMATICALLY down after TUBES / FileLockers, people stopped paying for DVDs because all was free. Program no longer reliable/profitable.

AdultsAllowed from Shaun (owner of CAMFUZE or PrivateVoyeur): Same as ABOVE.

ARS: MarcDE was tired of doing money in adult and buying 10 ferraris and he went to work in the Mainstream Gaming industry, thus the program got stuck in time and got obsolete.

And there are so many others... Fuck, dozens and dozens went BROKEN during the last few years.

PIRIOD.

johnnyloadproductions · 08-18-2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Some samples:

DeluxePass from Clement: Sales went DRAMATICALLY down after TUBES / FileLockers, people stopped paying for DVDs because all was free. Program no longer reliable/profitable.

AdultsAllowed from Shaun (owner of CAMFUZE or PrivateVoyeur): Same as ABOVE.

ARS: MarcDE was tired of doing money in adult and buying 10 ferraris and he went to work in the Mainstream Gaming industry, thus the program got stuck in time and got obsolete.

And there are so many others... Fuck, dozens and dozens went BROKEN during the last few years.

PIRIOD.

^What he said! PIRIOD!

Rochard · 08-18-2012, 10:10 PM

A few years ago it was impossible not to make money. Now it's a lot more difficult.

London Banker · 08-18-2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

A few years ago it was impossible not to make money. Now it's a lot more difficult.

But why?

Is it because of more strict billing rules? (you cant bill people for three $50 memberships as easily as it used to). Or is it because of rampant piracy? Or maybe something else?

anexsia · 08-18-2012, 11:40 PM

The industry just couldn't sustain the awesomeness that was Yes Signals

teennutsuckers · 08-18-2012, 11:48 PM

one word debt

Roald · 08-19-2012, 12:11 AM

adapt or die.

Alice22 · 08-19-2012, 04:12 AM

Its' much harder to make money now.

We are working very very hard now. Once, it was such an easy money.

The Ghost · 08-19-2012, 04:56 AM

So far I've yet to see a program with exclusive content that still updates go out of business. Only have seen programs with shit non exclusive content or shady billing practices go out.

Any exceptions?

Jel · 08-19-2012, 05:58 AM

communicon/forgetsecondname/orgycash had to be kinda rescued by payserve, sales went to dogshit in 2009 and they had some fucking killer content, daily updates. Outstanding sites in fact. Pretty sure payserve got that program for an absolute steal compared to what the content cost to produce.

Paul Markham · 08-19-2012, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by London Banker

But why?

Is it because of more strict billing rules? (you cant bill people for three $50 memberships as easily as it used to). Or is it because of rampant piracy? Or maybe something else?

To make it simple, here's why.

Online porn spent 12 years or more teaching customers not to pay for porn. They used various methods to do this.

Online porn spent 12 years or more thinking getting traffic was the prime aim to selling.

Online porn spent 12 years or more giving away the product to get traffic, they all tried to out do each other in who could give away the most. Saying "Traffic is King", "Try selling anything without traffic", "I can sell anything if I have enough traffic". And other choice phrases.

Now they have all the traffic they could ever dream of. And so few of the surfers buy the cost of getting the traffic is sending them to the wall, selling off and getting out, getting out or a few of the top dogs still survive. Their turn will come.

A lot of people will now tell you this is rubbish, without saying anything else but look at someone else as how well they're doing.

geedub · 08-19-2012, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

So far I've yet to see a program with exclusive content that still updates go out of business. Only have seen programs with shit non exclusive content or shady billing practices go out.

Any exceptions?

No no no, there is no money to be made anymore guys.

You need to actually have a product worth paying for. Who would have ever thought?

Sly · 08-19-2012, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Some samples:

DeluxePass from Clement: Sales went DRAMATICALLY down after TUBES / FileLockers, people stopped paying for DVDs because all was free. Program no longer reliable/profitable.

AdultsAllowed from Shaun (owner of CAMFUZE or PrivateVoyeur): Same as ABOVE.

ARS: MarcDE was tired of doing money in adult and buying 10 ferraris and he went to work in the Mainstream Gaming industry, thus the program got stuck in time and got obsolete.

And there are so many others... Fuck, dozens and dozens went BROKEN during the last few years.

PIRIOD.

LOL.

Clement isn't out of business.

peterk · 08-19-2012, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by London Banker

They aren't making any money now?

A few years ago you could see a new company spring up on a daily basis.

why does Lawrence Connor make so many fake nicks ?

grumpy · 08-19-2012, 02:35 PM

greed and amateurism

LeRoy · 08-19-2012, 03:04 PM

Sometimes the program runs out of $$.

You gotta give it a shot though right??

Content, hosting, advertising and payroll... it all adds up

Zeiss · 08-19-2012, 03:29 PM

If all you think about is getting money, you will never get them...

adultmobile · 08-20-2012, 12:23 AM

Cam sites doing ok, even was a little better before 2008 honestly

2012 · 08-20-2012, 12:28 AM

stupid idiots ?

BAKO · 08-20-2012, 12:32 AM

who knows?

PIRIOD!

ThumbLord · 08-20-2012, 02:39 AM

PIRIOD indeed

Paul Markham · 08-20-2012, 03:26 AM

Ways to adapt.

Get out of porn.
Open a Tube site.
Send traffic to niches and hope no one else does.
Send traffic to cams and dating.
Sell the big house and get a smaller one.
Same as above with the car.
Visit a pawn shop and sell some of the bling.

Retire on your pensions and sit back and chuckle because most think you got it wrong.

Harmon · 08-20-2012, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Cam sites doing ok, even was a little better before 2008 honestly

Shhhhhh

OldJeff · 08-20-2012, 03:45 AM

Some because they are bad business people, some because they are good business people.

Paul Markham · 08-20-2012, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon

Shhhhhh

Yes the last thing they want is more noses in the trough.

adultmobile · 08-20-2012, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Send traffic to cams and dating.

VenusBlogger agrees?

johnnyloadproductions · 08-20-2012, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

To make it simple, here's why.

Online porn spent 12 years or more teaching customers not to pay for porn. They used various methods to do this.

Online porn spent 12 years or more thinking getting traffic was the prime aim to selling.

Online porn spent 12 years or more giving away the product to get traffic, they all tried to out do each other in who could give away the most. Saying "Traffic is King", "Try selling anything without traffic", "I can sell anything if I have enough traffic". And other choice phrases.

Now they have all the traffic they could ever dream of. And so few of the surfers buy the cost of getting the traffic is sending them to the wall, selling off and getting out, getting out or a few of the top dogs still survive. Their turn will come.

A lot of people will now tell you this is rubbish, without saying anything else but look at someone else as how well they're doing.

You could run this experiment over 1000 times and it's guaranteed to always turn out the same.

Paul Markham · 08-20-2012, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

You could run this experiment over 1000 times and it's guaranteed to always turn out the same.

Who needs to run it at all, to know giving it away for free in increasing amounts will ruin sales eventually?

VenusBlogger · 08-20-2012, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

LOL.

Clement isn't out of business.

DELUXEPASS is fucking DEAD. They even anounced it with a thread here. DONT BE AN IDIOT.. DUDE nicknamed "SLAI" (sly)

BTW, TopBucks is so 2001...

2012 · 08-20-2012, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

DELUXEPASS is fucking DEAD. They even anounced it with a thread here. DONT BE AN IDIOT.. DUDE nicknamed "SLAI" (sly)

BTW, TopBucks is so 2001...

they just upgraded the design. it is much nicer now, you should check it out P I R I O D

VenusBlogger · 08-20-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile

VenusBlogger agrees?

I don't like ILLEGAL SHIT or STEALING PEOPLE.. thus I don't promote any SHITTY CAM programs..

Can you say the same?

Funny and obvious how you say: "Hey, CAM programs doing great, BETTER THAN EVER, im a millionaire thanks to CAMS CAMS CAMS... CAMS if ly life, CAMS CAMS CAMS, everyone should promote CAMS CAMS CAMS..." and then you have a CAM SIGNUP SIGNATURE...

You guys are so fucking STUPID and OBVIOUS, do you think webmasters are stupid? Don't under-estimate your own referrrals and suck it up, BROKEN LOSER.

heh.

papill0n · 08-20-2012, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

I don't like ILLEGAL SHIT or STEALING PEOPLE.. thus I don't promote any SHITTY CAM programs..

Can you say the same?

heh.

who is stealing people ?

topwebmodels_chris · 08-20-2012, 12:18 PM

Most of it is due to a lot of free content i would presume.

xNetworx · 08-20-2012, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

I don't like ILLEGAL SHIT or STEALING PEOPLE.. thus I don't promote any SHITTY CAM programs..

Can you say the same?

Funny and obvious how you say: "Hey, CAM programs doing great, BETTER THAN EVER, im a millionaire thanks to CAMS CAMS CAMS... CAMS if ly life, CAMS CAMS CAMS, everyone should promote CAMS CAMS CAMS..." and then you have a CAM SIGNUP SIGNATURE...

You guys are so fucking STUPID and OBVIOUS, do you think webmasters are stupid? Don't under-estimate your own referrrals and suck it up, BROKEN LOSER.

heh.

Roald · 08-20-2012, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

DELUXEPASS is fucking DEAD. They even anounced it with a thread here. DONT BE AN IDIOT.. DUDE nicknamed "SLAI" (sly)

BTW, TopBucks is so 2001...

Look up videosz

Paul Markham · 08-20-2012, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

You started your post with Get out of porn, and then followed up with three points on setting up a new porn site.

Well the first one would be what most are doing.

It's not a list of "Do all these things" more a list of "Select from these options."

Sorry you didn't get it.

digitaldivas · 08-21-2012, 02:38 AM

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It's ALSO the economy stupid!

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