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_Richard_ · 09-08-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

who gives a fuck about that? So I'm suddenly going to feel bad for the worthless fucks sitting at home collecting welfare and not even trying to get a job or do anything with their life?

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DTK · 09-08-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

inflation is really like 6% a year now.

No, inflation is currently at 1.4% and falling. Inflation has not been above 6% since 1990.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com...flation-rates/

DTK · 09-08-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Or we can have socialism, I guess, where everyone has the same amount.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Marx

Socialism doesn't work. It sounds nice, but it just doesn't work.

You guys are talking about communism, which doesn't work. EVERY modern economy is a combination of socialism and capitalism. It's called a Mixed Economy. The US has been a mixed economy since the New Deal.

Robbie · 09-08-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

Y EVERY modern economy is a combination of socialism and capitalism. It's called a Mixed Economy. The US has been a mixed economy since the New Deal.

Unfortunately for all of us...every modern economy is bankrupt.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-08-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

No, inflation is currently at 1.4% and falling. Inflation has not been above 6% since 1990.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com...flation-rates/

OK, it does say that and I say that is total bullshit.

The CPI has just been changed along with the unemployment rate for mass consumption.

I have no rent or mortgage cost monthly so the declines in housing costs are meaningless.

I know that real unemployment/underemployment is 5% to 15% higher in my county ( unfortunately race has a lot to do with it) than is reported.

I know what food costs and fuel costs.

I know that you can twist statistics to say what you want rather easily.

GrantMercury · 09-08-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

You guys are talking about communism, which doesn't work.

True. Thanks for the correction.

papill0n · 09-08-2012, 03:10 PM

Ed Hammer for president

that guy knows what time it is!

DTK · 09-08-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Unfortunately for all of us...every modern economy is bankrupt.

But why are they bankrupt? It's not because of Mixed Economies, i'll tell you that. It all started here with the mortgage crisis. That massive fraud has cost us over $3 Trillion (3x more than those bullshit wars) and has also decreased people's median net worth by around 40%!

I saw the mortgage crisis coming and got out early. When shit started hitting the fan, i was saying that there would be more shoes to drop. Europe was that next shoe.

The combined European Union is our largest trading partner. When we entered longest & deepest recession since the Great Depression, we were obviously buying dramatically less european (and chinese etc) goods. Of course they were going hit a big decline, and we've been seeing that over the last couple years. We're also seeing China slow sharply due to slack demand in the US and Europe.

To me, the evidence is clear that the problem was caused by barely regulated, unfettered capitalism run amok.

For a brilliant overview of the financial crisis, I highly recommend the documentary Inside Job.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FzrBurlJUNk
crap, forgot how to embed youtube movies lol

Barry-xlovecam · 09-08-2012, 05:24 PM

Of course it was ... Borrow 125% of the value of you home I saw in one ad.

I was just talking with some one who was a GM hourly worker this afternoon who got stung, set up or fucked over the system.

Chase Bank lent him $130 K
2 years later he is laid off at GM
The bank forecloses his house
The bank then sells his house as an REO for $10K

I explain to him that Chase probably sold the loan to Fannie Mae and was just servicing the loan.

Sub prime lending at its worst;
Dave gets $95k after the old first is paid off title pays for 2 years then walks.

Chase makes their fees and points, Fannie Mae (it's investors) get a Federal bail out.

Now Case offered to clear the deficiency judgement off Dave's credit for $2,900

WTF

Dave actually made out ... Got a GM pension early when they got bailed out.

If there is a silver lining to this story he will never get $38 an hour + benefits again.

Robbie · 09-08-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

But why are they bankrupt? It's not because of Mixed Economies,

I don't know the answer to that.
I do know that when they bring on real economic experts on CNN and other news organizations...that entitlement programs are exactly what they blame for Greece and other European countries in trouble.

The analysts I have seen over the last 3 years on the news have all said that those European govt.'s promised way too much "Free" stuff with no way to pay for it (sound familiar?)

http://www.unc.edu/depts/europe/euro...n%20Europe.php

I don't see how a mortgage crisis caused countries to go bankrupt. It didn't cause our country to go bankrupt...it just fucked up our economy.

Greece's govt. just kept borrowing so much to pay entitlements that they went over any sane percentage of their GDP. Same with Spain, and most European nations are teetering on doing the same thing.

So yes...your wording of a "Mixed Economy" (which really is code for entitlement and wealth distribution) is failing big time at the moment.
Hopefully, you are right and Europe will pull out of it's problems and the U.S. will too. And then I can cut back working so damn hard and start getting myself a govt. check too.

oppoten · 09-08-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Marx

Taxation is merely society agreeing to absorb societal costs among the collective to help benefit the collective.

No. Taxation is tribute levied in return for a license to trade. The rich are trading at a higher level, and so they pay more tax.

It's no different to fur tribute, and it has no connection at all to a welfare state.

DTK · 09-08-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't know the answer to that.
I do know that when they bring on real economic experts on CNN and other news organizations...that entitlement programs are exactly what they blame for Greece and other European countries in trouble.

The analysts I have seen over the last 3 years on the news have all said that those European govt.'s promised way too much "Free" stuff with no way to pay for it (sound familiar?)

http://www.unc.edu/depts/europe/euro...n%20Europe.php

I don't see how a mortgage crisis caused countries to go bankrupt. It didn't cause our country to go bankrupt...it just fucked up our economy.

Greece's govt. just kept borrowing so much to pay entitlements that they went over any sane percentage of their GDP. Same with Spain, and most European nations are teetering on doing the same thing.

So yes...your wording of a "Mixed Economy" (which really is code for entitlement and wealth distribution) is failing big time at the moment.
Hopefully, you are right and Europe will pull out of it's problems and the U.S. will too. And then I can cut back working so damn hard and start getting myself a govt. check too.

few things:

i agree on greece. i've spent a lot of time there and love the place. but since they kicked out the junta in '74, they've just been living beyond their means, buying votes and having a bureaucracy so bloated and corrupt as to make ours look lean and squeaky clean lol. they could (sorta) afford that while their tourism industry remained strong, but when the downturn came, it cratered. and as a few greeks told me, soccer isn't the national sport...tax evasion is

regarding the term bankrupt. you had used it, so i was just going with it. europe isn't gonna go broke. they'll do what we did and fire up the printing press.

Mixed Economy as code for entitlement and wealth distribution - keep in mind, what we had before the Depression and the New Deal was pretty much Social Darwinism (aka every man for himself). There was a tiny middle class and almost everyone else was working class or poor.

If you fell on hard times or lost your job, you literally went to the poorhouse. Or starved.
If you got sick and couldn't afford to pay, you died.
If you got injured due to unsafe working conditions, too bad. Poorhouse or die.
If that's your idea of a great, civilized society, then have at.

But hey, if that's what you want, I have good news for you - it's coming back! For the last, say, 40 years, (basically since Wall St and the Government hugged it out and became partners) the middle class has been shrinking and the distribution of wealth is even more skewed than it was before the depression.

Another interesting graph here http://visualizingeconomics.com/2008.../#.UEwJeI1lTmU

09-08-2012, 05:24 PM	#159
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Of course it was ... Borrow 125% of the value of you home I saw in one ad. I was just talking with some one who was a GM hourly worker this afternoon who got stung, set up or fucked over the system. Chase Bank lent him $130 K 2 years later he is laid off at GM The bank forecloses his house The bank then sells his house as an REO for $10K I explain to him that Chase probably sold the loan to Fannie Mae and was just servicing the loan. Sub prime lending at its worst; Dave gets $95k after the old first is paid off title pays for 2 years then walks. Chase makes their fees and points, Fannie Mae (it's investors) get a Federal bail out. Now Case offered to clear the deficiency judgement off Dave's credit for $2,900 WTF Dave actually made out ... Got a GM pension early when they got bailed out. If there is a silver lining to this story he will never get $38 an hour + benefits again.

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papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	Ed Hammer for president that guy knows what time it is!