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Dirty F · 10-11-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

it's a choice when you first try it, then it turns into an illness...

An illness? Not an addiction?

Freaky_Akula · 10-11-2012, 08:28 AM

It is not an illness. It is a weakness of the mind.

MattPornerBros · 10-11-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So every addiction is an illness you are saying?

You can't be just addicted to the drug it self. It's an illness?

There are people who use heroin recreation ally (As crazy as that sounds it's true) then there are others who become junkies and addicts. The people who become addicts have an illness.

People who do drugs and it leads them to worse ones and shit are Ill. I have seen people do coke a couple of times a year, and I have had a friend who did coke and was homeless and an addict. I would say one has an illness and the other doesn't

does that make some sense?

MattPornerBros · 10-11-2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

It is not an illness. It is a weakness of the mind.

What do you think illness is?

Is being unable to walk simply mind over matter? Terry Shiavo is just lazy?

woj · 10-11-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

An illness? Not an addiction?

addiction is a type of illness... or I guess more specifically, withdrawal symptoms = illness... then inability to manage the pain of those withdrawals turns into addiction...

today for whatever reason you do heroin..
tomorrow you feel like shit, have a headache, are shaking etc... how would you describe that condition? "illness" seems to fit quite well?
the pain of this "illness" becomes unbearable, so you do heroin again to treat this "illness", you are fine for another 24 hours, and then you repeat the cycle...

and so, you don't continue doing heroin just for shits and giggles, you do it as a self-medicated treatment for your "illness"...

Rochard · 10-11-2012, 08:45 AM

I've never understood the concept that addiction was a disease. I was addicted to drugs in high school and booze in the Marines; I kicked both my own when the time was right. Cigarettes too.

I like spending my weekends working on my truck, and it's a sort of addiction. But it's not a disease.

MattPornerBros · 10-11-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I've never understood the concept that addiction was a disease. I was addicted to drugs in high school and booze in the Marines; I kicked both my own when the time was right. Cigarettes too.

I like spending my weekends working on my truck, and it's a sort of addiction. But it's not a disease.

How many times did you think about booze and say, today I am not drinking? Then only to drink later or fail? Eventually you kicked it but how many tries (serious ones or not) did it take

BruceM · 10-11-2012, 09:06 AM

LeRoy · 10-11-2012, 09:10 AM

We have a few users that are addicted to Japanese girls.

It's an illness and they need help. Seriously...

Spending 1000's of dollars each month on cam girls is an addiction.

I'm their dealer too fuck it!

TheSquealer · 10-11-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPornerBros

How do you figure you can just switch addiction off? someone who is dyslexic can learn to read if they work at it. An addict can get clean if they work at it, isn't that the same? Addiction is an illness

Again, what is "addiction"? Psychological dependency? Chemical dependency? The discussion takes a wide range of issues, motivations and behaviors and tosses them all under the general umbrella of "disease" just like every single thing else about human behavior these days where the general idea is ALWAYS "hey man, its not my fault, you're supposed to feel pity for me". It's like obesity as a disease. A face full of food and eating 10,000 calories a day when you only need 2000 is not a disease. It's gluttony. Nothing else.

Donny Cybersocket · 10-11-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I was watching this documentary made by Russel Brand and it was basically about 1 thing: people who are addicted to alcohol or heroin etc aren't by choice. It's an illness.

So people who believe that kind of nonsense, please explain to me how they got "ill" in the first place. Because as we all know illness is not something you choose to be. It happens to if you want to or not.
So these people suddenly woke up with a needle in their arm or something?

Brand forgot to mention this part.

I think he was trying to say that Addiction is an illness. not heroin or alcohol etc. That people who have addictive personalities or in this case the "illness". They don't know they have it tell they do something that laches onto it, I.E, Drugs and Alcohol. Then after that, its out of their control. Which is subjective. I don't know if you have ever met or seen someone in a full fledged addiction. But it seems like a new person has taken over. And Im open to calling that an illness. Looks a lot more like a disease tho. People just need to learn their personalities. and Just cause something feels good doesn't mean it is good. And just cause something feels bad, doesn't mean it is bad either. know yourself.

Donny Cybersocket · 10-11-2012, 09:24 AM

Don't get me wrong. I don't view it as an illness or a disease. But I can see how others do. To me its just addiction.

Shotsie · 10-11-2012, 09:24 AM

It's a fucking mental illness that a lot of people have a genetic predisposition to just like depression, or bipolar disorder, or Schizophrenia, or any other illness of the mind; it's really not that fucking hard to comprehend. People make an initial decision to take a drug, but they cannot control how their brain is going to react to it - you can will what you do, but you cannot will what you will. Once your addicted you're no longer acting upon your own free will, anyway: an addict may wish to stop using drugs, but he has relinquished his will to the drug. There's a lot of other factors involved, too, like environment, and child development, etc. A lot of addicts are self-medicating for underlying issues.

Anyway, if you were really interested in understanding it, you wouldn't be asking people here, just to come back at them with kindergarten level retorts. You'd go read some fucking neuroscience blogs or books or some shit. So why don't you just fuck right the fuck off, and stop trivializing other peoples struggles, jitbag.

Donny Cybersocket · 10-11-2012, 09:31 AM

i think people just want to comfort themselves with calling it an illness. Like its something they caught, when all they really caught was a deal on a cheap high which evolved into an expensive 3 year bender. LOL It softens the blow when you want your friend to get help with their "illness", and in the end, as long as they get help. who gives a fuck what it was called? You got sick, you got addicted, you caught the illness??? who cares... go to rehab, get help, you're an addict no matter how you slice it.

Donny Cybersocket · 10-11-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

It's a fucking mental illness that a lot of people have a genetic predisposition to just like depression, or bipolar disorder, or Schizophrenia, or any other illness of the mind; it's really not that fucking hard to comprehend. People make an initial decision to take a drug, but they cannot control how their brain is going to react to it - you can will what you do, but you cannot will what you will. Once your addicted you're no longer acting upon your own free will, anyway: an addict may wish to stop using drugs, but he has relinquished his will to the drug. There's a lot of other factors involved, too, like environment, and child development, etc. A lot of addicts are self-medicating for underlying issues.

Anyway, if you were really interested in understanding it, you wouldn't be asking people here, just to come back at them with kindergarten level retorts. You'd go read some fucking neuroscience blogs or books or some shit.

Dirty F · 10-11-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

It's a fucking mental illness that a lot of people have a genetic predisposition to just like depression, or bipolar disorder, or Schizophrenia, or any other illness of the mind; it's really not that fucking hard to comprehend. People make an initial decision to take a drug, but they cannot control how their brain is going to react to it - you can will what you do, but you cannot will what you will. Once your addicted you're no longer acting upon your own free will, anyway: an addict may wish to stop using drugs, but he has relinquished his will to the drug. There's a lot of other factors involved, too, like environment, and child development, etc. A lot of addicts are self-medicating for underlying issues.

Anyway, if you were really interested in understanding it, you wouldn't be asking people here, just to come back at them with kindergarten level retorts. You'd go read some fucking neuroscience blogs or books or some shit. So why don't you just fuck right the fuck off, and stop trivializing other peoples struggles, jitbag.

TheSquealer · 10-11-2012, 09:36 AM

Porn addiction is a serious dsease. No different than heroin apparently (according to most)

helterskelter808 · 10-11-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

That was only on in the UK last week.

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

It was aired here 2 months ago.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Find that hard to believe.

A simple two second search would tell you it was broadcast two months ago.

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Donny Cybersocket Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 95	Don't get me wrong. I don't view it as an illness or a disease. But I can see how others do. To me its just addiction. __________________ Cybersocket.com JuicyGoo.com AwolMarines.com TheGayBoard.com GayBreenBacks.com

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Shotsie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 12th & Tree Posts: 1,208	It's a fucking mental illness that a lot of people have a genetic predisposition to just like depression, or bipolar disorder, or Schizophrenia, or any other illness of the mind; it's really not that fucking hard to comprehend. People make an initial decision to take a drug, but they cannot control how their brain is going to react to it - you can will what you do, but you cannot will what you will. Once your addicted you're no longer acting upon your own free will, anyway: an addict may wish to stop using drugs, but he has relinquished his will to the drug. There's a lot of other factors involved, too, like environment, and child development, etc. A lot of addicts are self-medicating for underlying issues. Anyway, if you were really interested in understanding it, you wouldn't be asking people here, just to come back at them with kindergarten level retorts. You'd go read some fucking neuroscience blogs or books or some shit. So why don't you just fuck right the fuck off, and stop trivializing other peoples struggles, jitbag. Last edited by Shotsie; 10-11-2012 at 09:32 AM..

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Donny Cybersocket Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 95	i think people just want to comfort themselves with calling it an illness. Like its something they caught, when all they really caught was a deal on a cheap high which evolved into an expensive 3 year bender. LOL It softens the blow when you want your friend to get help with their "illness", and in the end, as long as they get help. who gives a fuck what it was called? You got sick, you got addicted, you caught the illness??? who cares... go to rehab, get help, you're an addict no matter how you slice it. __________________ Cybersocket.com JuicyGoo.com AwolMarines.com TheGayBoard.com GayBreenBacks.com

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