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Old 11-26-2012, 06:34 PM   #51
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Took 10 cops to stop me because I overpowered them with hugs.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:35 PM   #52
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:01 AM   #53
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:00 AM   #54
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It's a difficult situation to try to say which is better. I'd be willing to bet there wasn't as many car accidents with drunk drivers during prohibition. Meaning in trade for finding a solution to one thing we created problems elsewhere.
LOL. Prohibition was in 1920 to 1933

There weren't as many people driving cars then.

The "problems" we created were people being gunned down in the streets. The rise of "The Mob" mafia to unprecedented wealth and power in the U.S. And violence, violence, violence.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:26 AM   #56
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LOL. Prohibition was in 1920 to 1933

There weren't as many people driving cars then.

The "problems" we created were people being gunned down in the streets. The rise of "The Mob" mafia to unprecedented wealth and power in the U.S. And violence, violence, violence.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States
Of course there were less cars, I'm meaning percentage of course. I'd suspect there were far less people gunned down in the streets than what die in DUI related wrecks each year.

Example in 2010 there were roughly 10,000 DUI related deaths. This of course is only deaths related to driving a car after consuming alcohol. No other alcohol related deaths counted.

The same year there were roughly 9,300 murders committed with a gun. Now of course every murder that was committed in 2010 with a gun wasn't drug related. I'm sure not every illegal drug death that comes by means of violence was not always done with a gun but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that illegal drug related violence accounts for fewer deaths than simply driving while drinking.

This means that legalizing it while it does fix some problems it also creates other problems that might be worse. This is why I say just decriminalization of drugs it isn't a simple solution as it will undoubtedly create other problems that could be potentially bigger.

The problem with the drug war in the US, is that we aren't educating people properly and there is no longer a social stigma related to drugs. Added to this we don't do enough to get people off them, once they are addicted.

While I'm not against legalizing Marijuana exclusively, I just don't think that it's a real solution in the long run, when it comes to drug problems in the US.

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:29 AM   #57
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:43 AM   #58
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Of course there were less cars, I'm meaning percentage of course. I'd suspect there were far less people gunned down in the streets than what die in DUI related wrecks each year.

Example in 2010 there were roughly 10,000 DUI related deaths. This of course is only deaths related to driving a car after consuming alcohol. No other alcohol related deaths counted.

The same year there were roughly 9,300 murders committed with a gun. Now of course every murder that was committed in 2010 with a gun wasn't drug related. I'm sure not every illegal drug death that comes by means of violence was not always done with a gun but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that illegal drug related violence accounts for fewer deaths than simply driving while drinking.

This means that legalizing it while it does fix some problems it also creates other problems that might be worse. This is why I say just decriminalization of drugs it isn't a simple solution as it will undoubtedly create other problems that could be potentially bigger.

The problem with the drug war in the US, is that we aren't educating people properly and there is no longer a social stigma related to drugs. Added to this we don't do enough to get people off them, once they are addicted.

While I'm not against legalizing Marijuana exclusively, I just don't think that it's a real solution in the long run, when it comes to drug problems in the US.

All that is true but there is one thing you are failing to mention. During prohibition people still drank, so not only did you have the problems that prohibition created you also had the same problems alcohol creates. Trying to stop people from putting what they want in their own bodies never works (unless you own private prison stock). Don't you think in a free society people should have that choice?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:10 AM   #59
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All that is true but there is one thing you are failing to mention. During prohibition people still drank, so not only did you have the problems that prohibition created you also had the same problems alcohol creates. Trying to stop people from putting what they want in their own bodies never works (unless you own private prison stock). Don't you think in a free society people should have that choice?
People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.

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People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.
Could you find cocaine or marijuana now if you wanted? If you say yes then every part of your argument is irrelevant.

There is not a single thing that is more damaging to society than alcohol, but people are going to do it regardless.

Prohibition comes down to one group of people telling another group of people what they cannot do. People that feel they have the moral superiority over others should move to Saudi Arabia, they would be much more at home.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:30 AM   #61
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Could you find cocaine or marijuana now if you wanted? If you say yes then every part of your argument is irrelevant.

There is not a single thing that is more damaging to society than alcohol, but people are going to do it regardless.

Prohibition comes down to one group of people telling another group of people what they cannot do. People that feel they have the moral superiority over others should move to Saudi Arabia, they would be much more at home.
Drugs are not a moral issue, they are a social issue. Don't confuse the two.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:46 AM   #63
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People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.
drugs being illegal obviously doesn't stop anyone from doing them. the only way to get rid of drugs is to change the human mind. drug testing is useless, aside from weed all the other drugs are out of your system in 24-48 hours so chances of testing positive for drugs that matter are slim. i don't think hard drugs should be legal but laws aren't stopping much of anything. its all a double standard anyways, like vendzilla pointed out, oxy's are legal and are one of the biggest drug epidemics in recent history. now that the patent has expired, get ready for generic oxy..
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Sad story for sure, it is horrible what is happening over there.

However the best weed is grown in the states and all of the smokers I know get it locally.

The same can be said for anything involving money really, not just drugs.
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drugs being illegal obviously doesn't stop anyone from doing them. the only way to get rid of drugs is to change the human mind. drug testing is useless, aside from weed all the other drugs are out of your system in 24-48 hours so chances of testing positive for drugs that matter are slim. i don't think hard drugs should be legal but laws aren't stopping much of anything. its all a double standard anyways, like vendzilla pointed out, oxy's are legal and are one of the biggest drug epidemics in recent history. now that the patent has expired, get ready for generic oxy..
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