L-Pink

What has changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school killings? It isn't the availability of firearms.

Minte

I'm not a member of the NRA.. But to answer your question. Assault weapons need to be banned. Large clips of ammo need to be banned. Much better screening to even purchase a gun should required. And before taking possesion of a gun, some type of minimum training and an annual test should be required.

Movies..should younger kids be able to watch KILL BILL and then sit down and play violent video games for hours on end? Porn...don't be silly. Of course not.

J. Falcon

Society is more fucked up than ever, that is something we can agree on.

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baddog

The NRA can say they want to do it; does not mean they have the power/authority to do it.

J. Falcon

How about a psychological evaluation? I'm serious, is that too much to ask?

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Vendzilla

You're so concerned about new gun sales, that's what

Ok, how about two jets hitting a building?

No comparison is in your head, reality is that these people that do this are not average citizens, they are nut jobs that want to hurt people. You want to take away law abiding citizens means to protect themselves. Those nut jobs love you, you make it easy. Mass killings make up less than 1% of the murders in the US and most are done with a .38. Criminals prefer a weapon they can conceal, hard to conceal a AR-15. But then most people that complain about guns in the US have no experience or knowledge of guns

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baddog

In a word, yes.

Minte

What is the solution then? You keep spewing garbage like you think you know what you are talking about.

I am willing to put my money where my mouth is to take care of the weapons that are on the street. You have these great convictions, take me up on my offer. Be a part of solution. Any loudmouth can identify problems.

Vendzilla

Not in the Obamacare budget, I mean really, you want an evaluation of every citizen in the US that owns a gun?

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L-Pink

The scope of violence in America will take a turn most can't even imagine if there is any type of forced confiscation of firearms. Without such measures there will still be more firearms than people so the problem won't disappear.

I'm not being a gun nut, I'm just being realistic about Americans and their guns.

Minte

What part of *better screening* didn't you get?


You say you are a writer. Doesn't being a reader go hand in hand with that?

J. Falcon

I am not in favor of taking anyone's right to defend themselves. I simply think it should be MUCH more difficult for someone to buy a gun.

Sure you guys have all the experience and knowledge when it comes to guns, that's why a public place gets shot up every 20 something days.

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Vendzilla

He should try driving thru Texas with a sign on the side of his car saying he's going to take their guns away from them!

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think about that

MaDalton

i can actually agree to that, i learned by now that guns will never go away completely.

i also think we need even more sex and less violence

i still think its absurd when i see people being killed on Youtube which every 7 year old can access nowadays - but god forbid you show a naked female nipple

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J. Falcon

You said you wanted to hear solutions, I offered one. Sorry I didn't understand "physiological evaluation" when you said "better screening" it's not exactly implied.

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Vendzilla

You want my AR-15, during the LA riots it was the perfect weapon to use in deterrent. It had a 30 round magazine.
How does my experience equate to public places being shot up?

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MaDalton

you keep missing my point from that post - which was not if the NRA has any authority or not.

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Vendzilla

You guys aren't familiar with the gun laws in California, they screen more than other states and more guns are not allowed here than any other state. When they came out with the Brady bill, we already had that.

I'm having a hard time right now keeping from laughing at the people that want to put doctors in charge of who gets their constitutional rights. Considering most in the field of psychology have to see others in the same field

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Vendzilla

the NRA is a money machine, they raise a lot of money to bend the ears of politicians. What I like about them is their youth training courses. Train kids the right way to handle a firearm.

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Vendzilla

Of course the last time congress went after assault style weapons, Diane Feinstien was in charge, neglecting to tell everyone she had a carry permit from San Francisco. She said she gave that up, I doubt it

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MaDalton

yeah, thats perfect, wouldnt want a kid with an assault rifle in a school who doesnt know how to use it...










(that was sarcasm btw)

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Minte

She probably carried a 44 magnum...and certainly knew how to use it.

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BlackCrayon

i believe its ssri's effects on developing brains. the medication of children has gone out of control since the mid to late 90's. the majority of school shooters were unstable kids who were medicated with a number of different meds. add in a violent gun culture with easy access and the media who is always looking for the next infamous killer.

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BlackCrayon

why would it be? i would say all future guns to be purchased will come with an additional charge where a brief psychological analysis as well as looking into any history of mental illness and what medications the user takes or has taken in the past. seems that would weed out a lot of the risky people.

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halfpint

This is what we did when we found out that owning a gun did not stop us from being burgled 5 times and my mom from being mugged .. We left South Africa ..

The security measures in peoples homes in parts of SA are just beyond belief and even they dont stop crime and killings.

The USA will end up the same in the end, because most South Africans thought that guns would stop somebody from entering your house and either stealing your stuff or killing you. Guess what it doesent.

Our solution was to leave the country like so many South Africans have done now, Now we dont have bars on our windows, a 6 foot iron fence with spikes on the top nor security gates or a gun in the house. and you know what it was the best thing we ever did.

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The problem is even with a "so called" assault rifle ban it's still easy as hell to get them "legally". In the past before the ban expired, you could still buy what they called "pre-ban" guns & or pieces of those guns.

Example you could buy a lower receiver that was made b4 the ban went into place and build a new gun around it that was considered pre-ban. Added to this the law was a joke anyway.

You could still buy an AK47 or M-16, ect..ect.. but it was limited on certain aspects. Things like barrel length or you could have this mod done but not combined with this one.. ect..ect. Just about the same guns were bought legally under the "Assault rifle ban" as with out the ban.

This is one of the reasons I don't think banning the guns or trying to restrict certain types will work. There are so many out there already, that there will be too many loop holes in any new law that will still allow people to have them.

We need to look more at licensing, education & sentencing.

The problem with that is it still wont stop the sensational mass shootings like this as the average killers in these cases can probably get a gun legally any way. However these mass shootings as bad as they are tend to be rare, so we should in reality be focusing more on the thousands of other deaths that happen by firearms.

Get the guns on of the crime ridden areas by licensing & strict mandatory jail time if you get caught with a unlicensed gun or are a criminal caught with a gun. There was a very interesting article I read the other day about the Mayor of Baltimore and how he focused not on drugs but gun crimes and he cut the city's murder rate in half in like a year or two.

JP-pornshooter

thats the thing dude.
are Americans really willing to pay the price for their AR?
(and the price is innocent people and children murdered by some loner guy who happened to be able to arm himself to the teeth with readily available AR's and ammo)

just so folks like you can say they are armed for the day when the poor or desolate people will up rise and so you can defend themselves.
i am pretty sure you can defend yourself with a handgun.

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L-Pink

If you want to actually save lives the quickest and easiest step would be ending cell phone and texting while driving. These multi tasking idiots cause far more deaths than loaner kids shooting up schools.

Rochard

How is that statement wrong? How about "the only thing that stops a bad buy with a gun is laws that prevent bad guys from getting guns".

It's just common sense at this point - You can either prevent bad people from getting guns, or you can shoot them with a gun after they've already killed a few people...

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epitome

The other day they broke their silence and said they would have something meaningful to contribute. So nothing?

Roald

haha you americans and your guns.

land of the free!!!!

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i have read your other posts and i agree with every one of them.

the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

this is a really really poorly thought out plan.

1. the bad guy can still first shoot the good guy (columbine hs scenario)
2. the good guy can inadvertently misinterpret who is the bad guy and shoot innocent people.
3. the good guy can have a bad day (say his wife left him and got child custody, he might no longer be the good guy).

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baddog

You can not prevent bad people from getting guns any more than you can prevent someone from buying crack.

xholly

isnt that illegal already? It is here, $150 fine or so and loss of demerit points on your driving license. Its a fair law I think, very dangerous thing to do.

L-Pink

And what makes a bad guy? The fact that he's BREAKING LAWS ? What makes you think he will obey gun laws? A sense of community responsibility? Seriously criminals are criminals because they don't obey existing laws.

BlackCrayon

so by that logic crack should be legal?

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DamianJ

Good idea, so when they lose the plot they'll be able to kill even MORE people!

L-Pink

wow ?..

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MaDalton

that is actually what "we" think sometimes too

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BlackCrayon

if there is no point to restricting guns because bad guys will get them anyways then there is no point in making drugs like crack or heroin illegal because people will get them anyways as well. thats the logic that baddog was using.

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Tom_PM

The premise that the time to stop a bad guy is when he's got a gun is the problem.

Don't fall for that premise and you're on the right road.

Fall for that premise and you're on the road they've set you on.

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baddog

You mean that people break laws?

That must be metric system logic.

grumpy

its all about attitude, Switzerland, 1 gun per citizen. Killed by guns per year around 5

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crockett

This is true, but think what would happen if we focused our attentions on gun/violent crimes over drugs. Instead of handing out 5 and 10 year sentences to people caught with drugs, how about handing those same sentences out to people whom are found with a unlicensed/unregistered gun, or in the hands of someone with a past criminal record.

(assuming the US govt made all guns owners be licence & all guns be registered)

Eventually the amount of guns in the wrong hands would start to then out..

Rochard

I disagree.

In this case, we should have a law about having firearms in a house with people who have a mental illness. Common sense, right? This woman had her son who has a long history of mental illness and no one ever ever said "Gee, maybe he shouldn't have access to firearms".

Maybe we should have a law that says "If your firearm is used to commit murder, you will be sentenced along with the person who pulled the trigger". Maybe that would make people think twice (or three times) about failing to secure their firearms.

Maybe we should have a law about people with anger management issues and firearms. My old neighbor was arrested twice for spousal abuse, yet there is no law preventing him from owning a firearm. It wasn't much of a problem - right up until the point he chased his wife out of the house firing shots at her.

This is just common sense here. If you get a DUI they take away your driver's license. Right? (They should take away your car too if you ask me.)

How about this for a law... In order to own a firearm, you must have a gun permit. If you convicted of assault or abuse or robbery or rape in any form, your gun permit is revoked and you must IMMEDIATELY turn in any firearms to local law enforcement. Same thing if there are any mental illness issues - No gun permit for you, and anyone you live with. Period.

I'm sorry, the NRA just told us we need to arm our teachers. Great. What about shopping malls, plazas, restaurant, government offices, businesses, colleges, churches and temples, hotels, resorts, and any tourist location.... Then keep in mind that's not going to stop a gunman from killing people, but only gives us a chance to take out the shooter after he's killed.

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BlackCrayon

i get what you mean but your logic is faulty. you think restrictions on guns won't stop people from obtaining them illegally. laws on drugs don't stop people from using them. by that logic if laws against guns are useless so are laws against drugs.

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Total prevention is a false goal anyway. Locks make it hard, but not impossible, to open a door.

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since George Takei just posted this...

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Rochard

What makes a bad guy? In this case, someone with access to firearms the desire to kill dozens of people for no reason.

We can't stop him from being a bad guy or having mental health issues, but at the very least we could have prevented him from having direct access to fire arms. Maybe if we had a law about people having firearms in a house with mental health issues, the mother wouldn't have had firearms?

Maybe we don't always need to stop the bad guys from getting the guns, but instead stop the good guys from handing him the guns. If this kid did not have direct access to firearms that morning, he might not have killed anyone.

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