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Old 06-07-2013, 11:20 PM   #51
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Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate aggressive dogs at all.

A child, maybe 5 or 6 years old snuck up behind us in the park and startled me and my dog by smacking him on the ass. His response? Big kiss in the face for the kid.

A few weeks back a female pit was lose in the park with her owner trying to chase her down. She ran right up to us and her and my dog proceeded to have a roll-around-and-lick fight until everyone was covered with slobber. Not even a hint of an aggressive response.

Same goes with the cat. The dog is interested in the cat but not aggressive. He just sits there looking at it. The incident we had the other day, the cat actually ran over to the dog and flat out attacked it. His response was to fight back.

I'm heavily involved in Schutzhund training with this dog right now. I paid good money for a dog with a protective nature that is absolutely not aggressive but on the same hand totally fearless. When it comes to fight or flight, he's going to fight every time.

Dogs are pretty good at reading body language from other dogs. They know what the situation is. The original poster used the word "attacked" so we have to take that at face value. Barking and acting bad ass is not attacking.
I'd be pretty curious to hear about ScH in Bermuda. I am saying this under the assumption that you're an experienced dog owner but new to ScH, so please don't take it the wrong way... but I hope you know that ScH training & protection training are two very different beasts. ScH does provide one hell of a foundation, though, if the dog can handle that stress then further training into one thing(protection, SAR/detection, AKC obedience crap, etc.)
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:43 AM   #52
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I'd be pretty curious to hear about ScH in Bermuda. I am saying this under the assumption that you're an experienced dog owner but new to ScH, so please don't take it the wrong way... but I hope you know that ScH training & protection training are two very different beasts. ScH does provide one hell of a foundation, though, if the dog can handle that stress then further training into one thing(protection, SAR/detection, AKC obedience crap, etc.)
I am quite new to ScH. I'm working with a club here one day a week but more often privately with the dog's breeder. I train every day in the early afternoon with the dog being exercised first thing in the morning and before dinner in the evening for his mental health and to outlet his energy. It's great because we go for a walk and swim every morning and he crashes when we get home until it's time to train.

My dog's dad is a Multi V rated ScH 3 working dog trained in Germany and an AKC/CKC/International conformance champion. I'm mostly interested in the obedience portion of it as I don't really need protection or SAR training. I've been training obedience all my life but never to the level of ScH 3. The first day we showed him a bite glove he hit it so hard that literally everybody on the field stopped dead in their tracks to watch. Monster drive in this dog and his natural protection instincts are pretty much off the chart, much stronger than any other dog I've had.

The method we're using is positive reinforcement. Basically, letting the dog think he's training us. It's kind of a neat concept I haven't really worked with before. Basically the dog knows exactly what to do to get the reward and ends up thinking that he is in control of the situation. "I will make them give me a reward by sitting fast and hard".
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:40 AM   #53
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thanks for the headsup on beagles, y'all. i've been under that impression for quite a while now, can't even recall where i learned that, prolly from a beagle owner somewhere and i went with it.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:20 AM   #54
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met a guy with a border collie last night - amazingly smart and friendly dog - but would drive me insane within a week - nonstop energy
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Only assholes own pitbulls.

And before any of you asshole pitbull owners argue with me...just don't, okay? This isn't a discussion. This is me sharing a fact.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:17 AM   #56
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i actually think it is pretty crazy that you feel it's ok to kick a little dog.
I'm totally okay with kicking a little piece of annoying shit
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:46 AM   #57
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I'm totally okay with kicking a little piece of annoying shit
ok, now what? feel better now? am i supposed to react or what? why quote me on this, you certainly must have figured out by now i own a small dog.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:56 AM   #58
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I am quite new to ScH. I'm working with a club here one day a week but more often privately with the dog's breeder. I train every day in the early afternoon with the dog being exercised first thing in the morning and before dinner in the evening for his mental health and to outlet his energy. It's great because we go for a walk and swim every morning and he crashes when we get home until it's time to train.

My dog's dad is a Multi V rated ScH 3 working dog trained in Germany and an AKC/CKC/International conformance champion. I'm mostly interested in the obedience portion of it as I don't really need protection or SAR training. I've been training obedience all my life but never to the level of ScH 3. The first day we showed him a bite glove he hit it so hard that literally everybody on the field stopped dead in their tracks to watch. Monster drive in this dog and his natural protection instincts are pretty much off the chart, much stronger than any other dog I've had.

The method we're using is positive reinforcement. Basically, letting the dog think he's training us. It's kind of a neat concept I haven't really worked with before. Basically the dog knows exactly what to do to get the reward and ends up thinking that he is in control of the situation. "I will make them give me a reward by sitting fast and hard".
Very cool. It's rare to find a Rottweiler with that much drive/desire to work, but when they're found, they're awesome to have.

Our trainer uses the same method(Russ Osburn - feel free to Google him) for the most part. He's a "dog whisperer" of sorts. He also gets a lot of dogs sent to him that trainers from all over North America have fucked up by being too hard or too aggressive towards their dog and turning their confidence into fear.

All of my female's litter mates went to the border patrol or other governments' agencies with the exception of one other. I thought my male had really high prey/fight drives, but hers make him look like a toy poodle. Her dad was one of the better male studs in Germany for a while(Sa-Ina's Festo) and her mom was Catty Mapet(to keep it simple, more info here: http://www.spitzenhundkennels.com/ )

I've only seen two Rotts work ScH -one I was really impressed with(sounds much like yours), the other was really just... dumb. With that said, the only other breed I'd get besides a GSD would be a Rottweiler & French Mastiff. From what Russ says, though, finding a Rott that'll perform near the level of a good GSD is VERY hard to do.. so it'll be a while. That and talking the girlfriend into another dog...
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thanks for the headsup on beagles, y'all. i've been under that impression for quite a while now, can't even recall where i learned that, prolly from a beagle owner somewhere and i went with it.
I've heard pit owners say the same, yorkie owners, etc., etc., you get my point. Most of them are very amateur dog owners who think because their dog will "sit", "stay", & "shake" on command that they're "so smart". For example, my two dogs don't roll over and other silly crap. But they will go open the door, help carry laundry, sit & growl at an aggressor(& that's it unless otherwise told) and hundreds of other useful things.

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met a guy with a border collie last night - amazingly smart and friendly dog - but would drive me insane within a week - nonstop energy
Yes! 20 minutes out in the yard with both of my dogs and I'm sweating bullets ready to have a heart attack.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:18 AM   #60
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met a guy with a border collie last night - amazingly smart and friendly dog - but would drive me insane within a week - nonstop energy
Yeah, we have 2 border collie/shelty mixes (brother and sister) way too smart for their own good and tireless. They can do a 20 mile hike with me and turn around and do it again.

They spend quite a bit of time in our backyard trying to herd the golf carts on the course behind us ;p

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i have a massive golden retriever male who is as calm as can be and a 3 pound yorkshire terrier that is always angry and will attack any new comer... its funny to watch

i love both small.and big.dogs alike and hate when ppl have preferences.
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Sounds like an irresponsible Chihuahua owner who is to blame for the dogs aggressiveness and yappy'ness.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:39 PM   #64
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Only assholes own pitbulls.

And before any of you asshole pitbull owners argue with me...just don't, okay? This isn't a discussion. This is me sharing a fact.
I don't own nor have ever owned a pitbull. I also know you are and always have been a total tool so nobody much cares what you have to say on the subject.
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i actually think it is pretty crazy that you feel it's ok to kick a little dog.
OK? That's FUN
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it's pretty sad that people actually are in here crowing about kicking dogs.

you kick someone's dog and get caugt and you will be going to jail for animal cruelty.

crow about that while you're chatting with your cellmates.

here's a link for more info on why certain people abuse animals.

http://www.aspca.org/aspcakids/real-...e-animals.aspx

it's mostly children who abuse animals, not adults.


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That demonstrates that no matter what race of dog you have has to be violent or peaceful.It depends on how it is raised.
Raise you dog with love and that is what he will give.
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Small dog syndrome. Intolerable behavior is looked upon as cute because of the dogs small size ??.


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There is no such thing as small dog syndrome. Rather, that behavior is tolerated because they are small. Dogs have no ego & things like pride or guilt. The only thing they know is the pack. little dogs develop dominant behaviors such as sitting on your lap because it's tolerated--it's harmless. you wouldn't let a 100 pound rotty sit on your lap. He is immediately shown his place is not on a lap. Think like a dog & not a person. ;)
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There is no such thing as small dog syndrome. Rather, that behavior is tolerated because they are small. Dogs have no ego & things like pride or guilt. The only thing they know is the pack. little dogs develop dominant behaviors such as sitting on your lap because it's tolerated--it's harmless. you wouldn't let a 100 pound rotty sit on your lap. He is immediately shown his place is not on a lap. Think like a dog & not a person. ;)
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plain n simple ....that's the answer to the situation.
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plain n simple ....that's the answer to the situation.
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There is no such thing as small dog syndrome. Rather, that behavior is tolerated because they are small. Dogs have no ego & things like pride or guilt. The only thing they know is the pack. little dogs develop dominant behaviors such as sitting on your lap because it's tolerated--it's harmless. you wouldn't let a 100 pound rotty sit on your lap. He is immediately shown his place is not on a lap. Think like a dog & not a person. ;)
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that's actually a very common misconception about small dogs and dominance. there are a variety of reasons for small dogs to be on their owner's lap, close to them, many, if not most, have nothing to do with dominance or establishing dominance. think like a small dog.
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