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Old 08-07-2013, 08:44 AM   #51
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Thanks. It costs a lot and took a long time. It is completely interactive too. So the faster the guy uses our device the faster he is fucking the toon.

The guys over at bonetown, d-dub.com did it. They are awesome with this stuff.
thanks, what software do they use to produce their stuff? i'd love to get one of my solo models tooned in 3D animation - sounds like it's cost prohibitive though.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:45 AM   #52
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QFT 100% I'm actually in the process of doing #2 and #3
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You are in the process of repeating what you have done since the 90's, but somehow expect the outcome to be profitable this time.

I don't have anything else to add to this, except I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:49 AM   #53
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thanks, what software do they use to produce their stuff? i'd love to get one of my solo models tooned in 3D animation - sounds like it's cost prohibitive though.
It is all done in 3d max. Shoot me an email. Maybe there is something we can do in regards to this.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:51 AM   #54
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ok will send an email tonight. thanks.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:59 AM   #55
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I don't mean to add to your burden, but the LokiCash domain expired two days ago and is pending renewal or deletion.
yeah JUST got alerted to that as well, trying to get that fixed as well, thanks


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You may be right on the stills. I saw a HUGE decline in 3d still type content sales 4 years ago. Part of this was the economy, but I think a larger part of it was animated clips became easier to make. It started to become a lot easier to produce high res 3d animated clips in a much shorter of period of time. They still sucked for the most part but it looked better than stills. You also had a bunch of hobbyist on the Erotica forums who were making animations for poser. So for 100 bucks you could get some kid to setup a scene with a pre made animation and let it render for a day and then you would have a clip. You then repeat this 10 times or so and then you have the foundation for a new site for 1-2k that contain completely animated content.

My brutally honest opinion/advice. You cant keep kicking the 3d stills dead horse any longer. You should have gotten away from it 3-4 years ago or hedged by getting into another area. If it does produce income it is too small of niche to make it worth the effort since you are literally competing with 1000s of kids doing the same stuff. If you can figure out the the game situation that is your best shot. Or maybe since you know the industry well you should put yourself in a broker sort of role and team up with animators that already produce high level content and resell it for them. Best of luck to you. I wish you the best.
Once again agree 100% and as I said, I am moving into full time video production, it's actually the only reason I looked at coming back int production, I was alerted to some speed ups, and diff software to use, popped back into production made 1 quick mini package to gauge the results, started working with the video stuff and decided I had to make the switch!

Over the next few months once I get back on my feet I'll be releasing at least 1 new video package a month (unless I'm tied up making exclusive content that is)


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Thanks. It costs a lot and took a long time. It is completely interactive too. So the faster the guy uses our device the faster he is fucking the toon.

The guys over at bonetown, d-dub.com did it. They are awesome with this stuff.
You KNOW I love all you guys, as well as Mutt but HEY.... Stop hijacking my thread lmao

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:02 AM   #56
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Loki ,
some years back you shot some content. Non 3d stuff...it was very ama gf style

Do you still have that for sale?
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:08 AM   #57
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You are in the process of repeating what you have done since the 90's, but somehow expect the outcome to be profitable this time.

I don't have anything else to add to this, except I wish you the best of luck.
Maybe you no read so good ;) it has ALWAYS been profitable for me, I stopped producing for the last 2 years and THAT is when all hell broke loose in my life


I came BACK to make the switch to videos as the profits are even higher with videos and there's little to no one filling the orders.

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Good luck Loki; I can't help but think Kickstarter would have been a good avenue for your mainstream goals.

You hit linkedin. fiverr or CL?
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:20 AM   #59
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Good luck Loki; I can't help but think Kickstarter would have been a good avenue for your mainstream goals.

You hit linkedin. fiverr or CL?
for the mainstream stuff we planned / plan on using both kickstarter and indigogo for the ault stuff I'm looking at offbetr and I still might use that route in the near future.

as for the others, I tried CL, and I just started beefing up my linkedin profile, sad thing is most of you guys are too busy giving me Virtual World props over other stuff I've done for 20+ years lol

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Being talented/artistic and knowing how to market your product are entirely different skills. Have you thought about teaming up with someone that can create a profitable demand for your talent?
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:51 AM   #62
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Loki ,
some years back you shot some content. Non 3d stuff...it was very ama gf style

Do you still have that for sale?
long story short, no.

if you want the longer funny story hit me up sometime and I'll tell ya allll about it and why i will never ever EVER shoot live content willingly again lol

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:56 AM   #63
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Being talented/artistic and knowing how to market your product are entirely different skills. Have you thought about teaming up with someone that can create a profitable demand for your talent?
Not sure if you read everything in here so far or just skimmed it.....

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but in the Adult Toon world, I don't know of anyone else who has marketed the niche and themselves as much / well as I have over the years.

the results were being brought in by about 90% of the companies that have tried/launched/succeeded in the niche, countless write ups, interviews, speaking panels, and of course that oh so silly moniker of "The godfather Of 3D Toons" from AVN.

Again, (and hopefully the last time) the problem was NEVER this not being profitable, the problem is I STOPPED for the last 2 years, and moved on to other projects, meanwhile all hell broke loose, I lost everything, and not too long ago it was shown to me that I NEEDED to come back and make the switch to Video content production, All of my buyers need it, and no one is really making it.

The money IS / WILL be there as long as I KEEP / START making the content again.

BUT, kind of hard to do that in the situation I am in right this sec.

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Old 08-07-2013, 10:12 AM   #64
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:17 AM   #65
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Would potential eviction be enough to make you do it?
I hear ya, but in my experience, it COSTS me to shoot live content, and MAYBE be able to sell it later.

For me to take off today, find some live ppl to shoot, shoot, edit, and get something together to TRY and sell for pennies on the dollar (from how it appears to me these days) I'd loose my house already.

But I totally get where you're coming from.

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Old 08-07-2013, 10:30 AM   #66
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lmao you always come here begging for money at least once a year

loki will always fail because he never, ever, EVER listens to anyones advice and always knows better

just skim his responses to everyone here

congrats loki
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Not sure if you read everything in here so far or just skimmed it.....

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but in the Adult Toon world, I don't know of anyone else who has marketed the niche and themselves as much / well as I have over the years.

the results were being brought in by about 90% of the companies that have tried/launched/succeeded in the niche, countless write ups, interviews, speaking panels, and of course that oh so silly moniker of "The godfather Of 3D Toons" from AVN.

Again, (and hopefully the last time) the problem was NEVER this not being profitable, the problem is I STOPPED for the last 2 years, and moved on to other projects, meanwhile all hell broke loose, I lost everything, and not too long ago it was shown to me that I NEEDED to come back and make the switch to Video content production, All of my buyers need it, and no one is really making it.

The money IS / WILL be there as long as I KEEP / START making the content again.

BUT, kind of hard to do that in the situation I am in right this sec.

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Get over yourself. If you marketed yourself so well over the years you wouldn't be here asking for money, now would you?
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lmao you always come here begging for money at least once a year

loki will always fail because he never, ever, EVER listens to anyones advice and always knows better

just skim his responses to everyone here

congrats loki
I don't normally "feed trolls" as they say, BUT you post had me in stiches....

In your mind, when I come here once a year in the past to hold a sale THAT = begging for money. with that logic the buy/sell forum is FILLED with ppl begging for money.

2 years ago I posted a "closing down" sale, I did not beg for money nor did I need any at that time, instead I wanted to give ppl one last shot to pick up my stuff for their sites before I left the industry. (However like everyone I came back lol)

As for never, ever, ever, EVER listening to anyone, that's just absurd, look at Brent from 3DX say how I need to do videos and I came back to do JUST THAT.

People ask me if I've done ______ and YES I have done _______

I actually listen to people more then I should sometimes lol.

But I thank you for the bump.

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Get over yourself. If you marketed yourself so well over the years you wouldn't be here asking for money, now would you?
I'll feed you as well....

Yes if I marketed myself so well over the years, and then I retired from the industry 2 years ago publicly, everyone should know that I had returned silently to make video content.

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Your personal marketing strategy is kind of strange. On one hand, you say how great you are. On the other hand, you say you are completely broke (indicative of not being great.)

Whether you are great or not, I have no clue, but your personal marketing strategy is a huge conflict with itself. Either run with the great factor and get jobs because you are great at what you do, or be humble and run with the broke factor and get some jobs to help you out and get you on your feet again.

What you should be doing, instead of arguing with people over your greatness, is contacting every single person that runs a 3-D site of any sort and offer them a great deal to get the cash you need. I can think of two potential buyers, that make a lot of money from 3-D, right off the top of my head and I'm not involved with 3-D at all.

Find them, contact them, offer them a killer deal, get back on your feet.
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I'll feed you as well....

Yes if I marketed myself so well over the years, and then I retired from the industry 2 years ago publicly, everyone should know that I had returned silently to make video content.

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If you retired, you wouldn't be here asking for money either. I am just saying you need to get serious.
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Your personal marketing strategy is kind of strange. On one hand, you say how great you are. On the other hand, you say you are completely broke (indicative of not being great.)

Whether you are great or not, I have no clue, but your personal marketing strategy is a huge conflict with itself. Either run with the great factor and get jobs because you are great at what you do, or be humble and run with the broke factor and get some jobs to help you out and get you on your feet again.

What you should be doing, instead of arguing with people over your greatness, is contacting every single person that runs a 3-D site of any sort and offer them a great deal to get the cash you need. I can think of two potential buyers, that make a lot of money from 3-D, right off the top of my head and I'm not involved with 3-D at all.

Find them, contact them, offer them a killer deal, get back on your feet.
sly, I agree you with most of your post, and have done that over and over, (hell I lost count of all the emails I've sent to top Bucks since you guys debuted your toon stuff, NEVER EVER got ANY reply from anyone) I remember sending out hundreds of emails to companies that do 3D in some shape or form, and at best 2 replies come back., I also hardly fill those cold calls with links and instead just try to open the lines of communication with companies.

that trend continued more and more over the months before I left 2 years ago because everyone ONLY wanted Video content and I did not make video content, and new things like bounced emails, dead domains etc etc cropped up.

Again Sly, I QUIT 2 years ago, did not produce or attempt to sell ANYTHING since 2011. during the past 2 years I literally lost EVERY bit of my savings due to a number of things, none had anything to do with 3D toons, or how great I may or may not be.

I came back not even 3 weeks ago, made a new package and sold it to a few companies already but when you are having to start over financially from 0 a few micro sales don't save you.

I will once again contact all the companies in 3D and toons in the coming months but only when I have something they want, because anything else is just insanity right?

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If you retired, you wouldn't be here asking for money either. I am just saying you need to get serious.

Okay, fair enough, I pray for your sake then the day you are able to retire NOTHING bad happens to you where you lose literally EVERYTHING and are forced to start all over.

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I sincerely wish you well and hope you can ignore any of the negativity and just take someones offer if and when it comes along. I was in your shoes regarding eviction last year and have been working steadily since. Got myself off of foodstamps and building a nest egg again. That means you can too. Best of luck!
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:45 AM   #76
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Time for some Page 2 toon nudity

These 4 pics are from my "Photo Real" package...









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Self shots taken by 3D girls. No 2257 required. It will sell HUGE. Someone run with the idea. Give Loki an advance to generate the content. Do it. DO IT NOW!
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Good luck Loki.

I'd probably get off here beyond posting a few samples and responding to people who could give you work once a day or so. Do something which will help you pay the bills for sure.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:19 PM   #81
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Self shots taken by 3D girls. No 2257 required. It will sell HUGE. Someone run with the idea. Give Loki an advance to generate the content. Do it. DO IT NOW!
True story, I pitched that EXACT idea to a few of the larger companies back in 2008 - 2009 and they straight up LAUGHED, I ALMOST went ahead and made packages anyway but second guessed myself.

Also wanted to do a series of solo sites complete with cam shows (recorded of course) daily blog, etc etc, I still may do the solo site concept one day I think it could be a huge draw IF done correctly.....

Imagine a 3D Toon solo site where the members tell the "model" what they want to see, and within a short time that content goes up, it could be treated exactly like a real girl solo site just with the twist of it being 3D Toons.

On novelty alone it would make decent money, the long term money would come from the user interactivity you give the members when you allow them to 'direct' the model.

(Any one runs with that give me a damn cut lol)

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Have you tried any of the "Govt cheese" assistance programs? I mean if some of these people who dont deserve get it then you should try to get it...
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:40 PM   #83
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Of course he should get it. His family and he have been no doubt paying into it since the 30's if they're been Americans for that long.

When I got foodstamps, all I had to do was apply online then send them pay stubs and lease (they sent the card within 2 days anyway without proof of income and expense). Welfare has emergency aid where you can get it same day if you have an actual eviction notice. Varies by state.
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Bump for you, Loki!
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:01 PM   #86
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Loki, I paid you money to advertise our sites on your 3d site. You never did the advertising, citing issues and delays and now I have emailed you recently asking you for my money back (since you never did do the work) and you stopped answering my emails. Why?
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:15 PM   #87
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With the quality of your stuff being as high as it is Loki, once you get back on your feet you should think about designing and launching your own adult video game. Now I don't claim to know how to do that exactly or what it all might entail, but if you do and you decide to go that route you'll need writers. I want you to know that I will work with you on anything like that anytime.

And your stuff speaks for itself, no other self promotion needed. Looks like you have a few bites on this thread pending so that getting back on your feet shouldn't be too long.
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:33 PM   #88
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Loki, I paid you money to advertise our sites on your 3d site. You never did the advertising, citing issues and delays and now I have emailed you recently asking you for my money back (since you never did do the work) and you stopped answering my emails. Why?
So much for all my years with no drama lol.

Julia I don't mean to joke about your post, I can only assume you did not get the last few emails I sent to you, or the message I sent to your account in Utherverse.

As I said in those emails (that I never heard back from you about) I'm more then happy to get you a full refund.

If you have Skype please add: LokiPorn or email me at: 3dloki(@) gmail(.)com, I prefer skype so I know you get all the messages as it shows a spinning icon till the messages are read. but if you do not use Skype please just use that gmail address.

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Old 08-07-2013, 03:38 PM   #89
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With the quality of your stuff being as high as it is Loki, once you get back on your feet you should think about designing and launching your own adult video game. Now I don't claim to know how to do that exactly or what it all might entail, but if you do and you decide to go that route you'll need writers. I want you to know that I will work with you on anything like that anytime.

And your stuff speaks for itself, no other self promotion needed. Looks like you have a few bites on this thread pending so that getting back on your feet shouldn't be too long.
Thanks, I can't get into any of the details at this time (for fear of the Ukrainian hitmen paying me a vist lol inside joke)

But something similar to this was actually in the works for the past 6 months, and some things happened and the project needed to be retooled and because of the retooling I've removed myself from it for the time being as I do not possess the skills needed at this stage of the project to be useful (I'm soooo not a programmer).

Once we hit the stage where I can talk openly without the hitmen coming to get me lol I will deff hit you up and fill you in, and see where you can fit into that project.

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Thanks Loki, I really appreciate that. The email has been sent.
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2. The second way is to produce extremely high quality 3d porn. This is extremely expensive and time consuming and it has to be damn near Pixar quality to be able to retain the customer. Here is an trailer of just one example of a high quality animation we did: http://vstroker.com/videos/katietrailer.html. This sells.
No offense but it looks like shit.

Here's an example of a 3D porn done properly: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:06 PM   #92
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No offense but it looks like shit.

Here's an example of a 3D porn done properly: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit
Not to bash on that work I personally LOVE IT, but the stuff that Max and the D Dub crew makes is SUPPOSED to look that way, they never wanted to make stuff that looked "too" or "close" to human, and therefore went a more "toony" look and feel.

Where most of us strive to get as human as possible, it's two very different styles that's all, no need to hate on either

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Old 08-07-2013, 04:06 PM   #93
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No offense but it looks like shit.

Here's an example of a 3D porn done properly: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit
Yeah that one is crazy quality
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:10 PM   #94
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So much for all my years with no drama lol.

Julia I don't mean to joke about your post, I can only assume you did not get the last few emails I sent to you, or the message I sent to your account in Utherverse.

As I said in those emails (that I never heard back from you about) I'm more then happy to get you a full refund.
How are you gonna give her a refund if you are getting evicted because you can't pay the bills?
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Not to bash on that work I personally LOVE IT, but the stuff that Max and the D Dub crew makes is SUPPOSED to look that way, they never wanted to make stuff that looked "too" or "close" to human, and therefore went a more "toony" look and feel.

Where most of us strive to get as human as possible, it's two very different styles that's all, no need to hate on either

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Lol exactly. Some people like toon fucking and others like realistic looking chicks with a 3 foot penis (like in the trailer above). It is all about what sells not necessarily what you would purchase yourself.

I would never ever buy 3d animated porn but i have also made millions off it.
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No offense but it looks like shit.

Here's an example of a 3D porn done properly: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit
Now that's interesting stuff. I don't see the point of doing CG if it's not something weird and fantastical. Basically something that can't be achieved with a live shoot.

Also, the artist has "put some stank on it"...the angles, the lighting, etc.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:14 PM   #97
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No offense but it looks like shit.

Here's an example of a 3D porn done properly: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit


Now that is absolutely fantastic! Great artwork and didn't expect that chic to have a metre long dick!
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:05 PM   #98
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Loki besides the fact that youre unprofessional and amateurish in every way - this link is why youre broke and homeless - becasue your stuff could never look like this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxB_...JRUURNUzg/edit now thats fuckn amazeballs!

time to take everyones advice and finally get out and get a real job - you failed at adult
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I'm going to give you some advice here for free Loki ....

I've always been a fan of the stuff you do, and I think you are very talented, but you lack the marketing skills.

Why not take orders for 3-D logos and such ... add-on graphics sets that people can use as they wish on their sites .... and start an affiliate program paying your affiliates like 25% of what they sell?

Let your affiliates be your sales force, letting you focus on what you are good at - which is CREATING the artwork!
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:26 PM   #100
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How much for a mainstream site logo 900x125 pixels?
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